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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in The election   
    Everything that is happening now has happened before!
    https://history.house.gov/Institution/Origins-Development/Electoral-College/

    Is it wrong of me to hope we have 1877 all over again?
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    person0 reacted to Traveler in The election   
    Just to be clear about voter fraud.  This is an integral element of the Washington Swamp and has been going on since my youth when I left the Republican party because of it (even in a Utah precinct that was 90% LDS at the time).    It will never happen but the following is a must to stop voter fraud.
    #1. Validate all voters are registered voters that reside within whatever precinct.  The only way I know to accomplish this is to require all voters pre-register with a cutoff date with enough time for validation for each election with valid photo ID.  This would mean that "homeless" or individuals that do not reside at a known and valid residential location; cannot vote.   This may seem unconstitutional but it is a loop hole that must be closed or it is a back door for voter fraud. 
    #2. Validate all votes come from a valid registered voter.  To be done this has to be linked to registration data.   If there is not a unique match to data - the vote would have to be thrown out.
    #3. All ballets must be received to the precinct before any or a single vote is counted.  Once voting is started - no additional ballets can be received and included in the counting. 
    #4. All of the above steps must be completely transparent - I would suggest this includes electronic (including videos) data and surveillance that can be reviewed for at least 12 years.  
     
    I would remind this forum that by law ballets in the USA are secret.  This means there is no way or means to track individual ballets once received.  This means that if there is fraud after the fact - there is no way to know among the many ballets which are the invalid ballets.  The only possible resolution is to require a revote - not a recount.  
     
    The Traveler
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    person0 got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in The election   
    Yes, you are correct, and that is why I specifically only pinpointed states that do not have laws or a legal mechanism in place to punish or nullify a faithless elector.  See for yourself:
    https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws
    Yes!  And we had 4 successful Faithless Electors in 2016, and three that were replaced.
    Nope, I meant immense. (fixed)
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    person0 reacted to Godless in The election   
    These talking points sounds very similar to the things Dems were saying in 2016.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in The election   
    Faithless Electors' votes in WI, PA, and GA are counted as cast, meaning there is no penalty if they do not vote for the candidate selected by their state's popular vote. All three states have a Republican majority in both their House and Senate. In theory, regardless of the outcome of each state's popular vote, electors in these states could be chosen specifically to vote to elect Donald Trump, or to abstain from voting for Biden which would force the election into Congress. In Congress the House gets one vote per state for President and the Senate gets one vote per state for vice president. Despite the House having more Democrat representatives, Republicans represent more states. Hence, a Republican President would be elected, an likely a vice president also. Our constitutional republic was designed specifically to avoid the pitfalls of democracy. While the uproar would be immense, such an outcome would be completely legal, constitutional, and legitimate.  Despite that, it could be considered 'dishonest' if only for the fact that the majority of the American people are uneducated to the extent they do not understand this is how our republic was designed.

    This would be the most 2020 way to end the year. . . and get the next civil war started.  🤣
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in The election   
    Faithless Electors' votes in WI, PA, and GA are counted as cast, meaning there is no penalty if they do not vote for the candidate selected by their state's popular vote. All three states have a Republican majority in both their House and Senate. In theory, regardless of the outcome of each state's popular vote, electors in these states could be chosen specifically to vote to elect Donald Trump, or to abstain from voting for Biden which would force the election into Congress. In Congress the House gets one vote per state for President and the Senate gets one vote per state for vice president. Despite the House having more Democrat representatives, Republicans represent more states. Hence, a Republican President would be elected, an likely a vice president also. Our constitutional republic was designed specifically to avoid the pitfalls of democracy. While the uproar would be immense, such an outcome would be completely legal, constitutional, and legitimate.  Despite that, it could be considered 'dishonest' if only for the fact that the majority of the American people are uneducated to the extent they do not understand this is how our republic was designed.

    This would be the most 2020 way to end the year. . . and get the next civil war started.  🤣
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in The election   
    Faithless Electors' votes in WI, PA, and GA are counted as cast, meaning there is no penalty if they do not vote for the candidate selected by their state's popular vote. All three states have a Republican majority in both their House and Senate. In theory, regardless of the outcome of each state's popular vote, electors in these states could be chosen specifically to vote to elect Donald Trump, or to abstain from voting for Biden which would force the election into Congress. In Congress the House gets one vote per state for President and the Senate gets one vote per state for vice president. Despite the House having more Democrat representatives, Republicans represent more states. Hence, a Republican President would be elected, an likely a vice president also. Our constitutional republic was designed specifically to avoid the pitfalls of democracy. While the uproar would be immense, such an outcome would be completely legal, constitutional, and legitimate.  Despite that, it could be considered 'dishonest' if only for the fact that the majority of the American people are uneducated to the extent they do not understand this is how our republic was designed.

    This would be the most 2020 way to end the year. . . and get the next civil war started.  🤣
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    person0 reacted to Still_Small_Voice in The election   
    I dislike when people call our government a Democracy.  It is not.  We have a Constitutional Republic.  Democracy governments are short in their lives and violent in their deaths from what I have learned.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Despite the commonly held 'consensus', I am more than confident that conservative policies are far superior for the purposes of improving the lives of black Americans than are the policies in place and promoted by the left.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Despite the commonly held 'consensus', I am more than confident that conservative policies are far superior for the purposes of improving the lives of black Americans than are the policies in place and promoted by the left.
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    person0 reacted to NeuroTypical in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Yeah, I had to respond to this too.
    The Right's answer to meaningful progress in black communities: "Keep government out of your way, so you can lift yourselves up."  
    The Left's answer to meaningful progress in black communities: "Elect us and we'll fix your ills via wealth transfer,  affirmative action, etc.  More government will fix your problems for you!"
    I know which solution I figure works better.  It's the solution that works better regardless of race/class/income/education/any demographic.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Despite the commonly held 'consensus', I am more than confident that conservative policies are far superior for the purposes of improving the lives of black Americans than are the policies in place and promoted by the left.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I think we can all agree that it is wrong when justice is not applied equally.  Despite that, the people who complain about the injustice and the people who lead the cities with high black on black crime and high black death and murder rates all tend to be Democrats and leftists.  It is inconsistent to complain about something while continuing to elect leaders who have consistently failed to take meaningful or beneficial action.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I think we can all agree that it is wrong when justice is not applied equally.  Despite that, the people who complain about the injustice and the people who lead the cities with high black on black crime and high black death and murder rates all tend to be Democrats and leftists.  It is inconsistent to complain about something while continuing to elect leaders who have consistently failed to take meaningful or beneficial action.
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I think we can all agree that it is wrong when justice is not applied equally.  Despite that, the people who complain about the injustice and the people who lead the cities with high black on black crime and high black death and murder rates all tend to be Democrats and leftists.  It is inconsistent to complain about something while continuing to elect leaders who have consistently failed to take meaningful or beneficial action.
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    The Top 5 Issues Facing Black Americans (7 minutes):
    5. Victim Mentality
    4. Lack of Diversity
    3. Urban Terrorism
    2. Proliferation of Baby Mamas
    1. (watch the video)
     
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    person0 reacted to Traveler in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I have not watched the video yet ( will later) but I would add one other issue - Politicians that delight in exploiting Blacks and Black suffering for their personal power and gain.  But not to appear too racists - I would add that such politicians will gladly delight in exploiting anyone that believes anything provided by the government is free.
     
    The Traveler
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    person0 reacted to scottyg in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Then we must all educate them as best we can. Pres Oaks was referring to the slogan/statement "black lives matter". People need to know that the phrase and the BLM movement are two different things. BLM only cares about self-aggrandizement through destruction...they don't give a rat's patootie about actual black lives...or anyone's life for that matter. If they did, they would be protesting the countless black on black deaths we see in Chicago every day.
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    Embrace BLM? People have lost their freakin minds.
    BLM fights for racial equality by looting small businesses.

    BLM fights for racial equality by stealing TVs.

    BLM fights for racial equality by trashing their own cities.

    BLM & "LDS?" members who support BLM, the movement, can go suck eggs.

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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    I too agree with you 100%. I actually brought up this issue/concern yesterday here:
     
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    person0 reacted to NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    @person0 Minor thought.
    I read the quote you posted multiple times, being frustrated by it each time I read it. Each time, I failed to read it as the following:
    "Things that do not command universal support. Examples":
    - Abolishing the police (do not support)
    - Seriously reducing their (police) effectiveness (do not support)
    - Changing our constitutional government (do no support)
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    person0 got a reaction from Vort in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    @Vort,
    That is the approach I tend to take in understanding these things; however, when placed in context it is so easy to see it from the lens I initially asked about, which is the lens through which 'woke' members seem to look at it.  This leads me to question what I am missing, because, as noted previously, the actual data doesn't warrant the analysis in the context I am inclined to interpret from the text.  If I were on the other side of the argument, I would certainly be pointing to these exact statements as evidence of the reality of those things as I understand them.  As much as I often appreciate the 'he who hath ears to hear' approach.  At what point is it dishonest for an Apostle to speak with words he is intelligent enough to know will be taken to mean something more than what is being said?  Or is it?
    Anyway, I appreciate your analysis; I just wish it were not so easy for a duality of interpretation to take place.  Sadly, I think that duality leads so many, particularly on the 'woke' side, to miss the primary point of healing and overcoming our challenges through a principled focus on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
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    person0 got a reaction from Anddenex in The second coming is in March   
    I know for a fact that the second coming will happen sometime within the next 6000 years!

    Anyway, I'm holding all estimations until after the election and the potential societal outcry ensues.  If Trump wins, the Ezra's Eagle people will be watching hardcore to see if he dies or gets assassinated prior to the end of his 2nd term.
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    person0 got a reaction from Vort in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    @Vort,
    That is the approach I tend to take in understanding these things; however, when placed in context it is so easy to see it from the lens I initially asked about, which is the lens through which 'woke' members seem to look at it.  This leads me to question what I am missing, because, as noted previously, the actual data doesn't warrant the analysis in the context I am inclined to interpret from the text.  If I were on the other side of the argument, I would certainly be pointing to these exact statements as evidence of the reality of those things as I understand them.  As much as I often appreciate the 'he who hath ears to hear' approach.  At what point is it dishonest for an Apostle to speak with words he is intelligent enough to know will be taken to mean something more than what is being said?  Or is it?
    Anyway, I appreciate your analysis; I just wish it were not so easy for a duality of interpretation to take place.  Sadly, I think that duality leads so many, particularly on the 'woke' side, to miss the primary point of healing and overcoming our challenges through a principled focus on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
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    person0 got a reaction from NeedleinA in Pres. Oaks: Racism and Other Challenges. . . Um. . .   
    https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-oaks-byu-devotional-october-2020-talk#_ftn15
    I don't think there is much of a way to read between the lines on this one, and I'm really struggling to understand what is going on.  In President Oaks speech today, there are a few quotes that bother me.
    How are those things appropriate subjects for advocacy?  I can only assume he is meaning this from the perspective of the First Amendment; otherwise, it is a sincerely concerning statement.
    He later quotes President Nelson who in June, responding to the George Floyd incident said:
    Apparently I missed that statement back in June.  Regardless, where are the Brethren coming up with confirmation that George Floyd's death, in addition to police brutality, was for sure an incident of racism?
    The final concerning quote is this:
    So this quote makes it sound like police brutality is a specifically racist problem and then goes on to make it sound as though systemic racism is a real thing.  These statements aren't given any real qualification and so I am left bewildered as to if the Brethren have received some sort of spiritual confirmation that things like systemic racism and racially targeted police brutality against black Americans is a real issue affecting our country, or if this is simply an opinion that may or may not be accurate, or if it is a misspoken outreach to the snowflakes.
    In the rest of the talk he condemns many leftist ideals, upholds the Constitution, and calls out the anxiety and fear driven nature of the snowflake generation.
    Anyway, I'm confused.  Any thoughts or ideas to help?