Grunt

Interestingly, this was addressed at the tail end of a Sacrament talk today.

I don't entirely understand your response, either. I accept that the failure to understand falls on me, not on you. Thank you, though.

Yeah. The Overlook is great.

That's why I said "hopefully". I probably should have said "wishfully".

Hopefully often, then you go join.

I agree. Sometimes I don't know what I know. For me, faith is choosing which side of the logical battle in my head (and heart) to follow. There are things I can definitively say, though. When following faithfully, there are indications that He wants me to be where I am. Following the Law of Chastity as I understand it is His desire. God wants me to be a part of this Church. This is His restored church. These are just a very few things that He has made obvious to me, sometimes painfully. From that, I can infer other things.

OooooOOOOoooo. You said "LDS".

I don't disagree at all. I'm often surprised by the stories people share during Fast and Testimony.

I mentioned this several times in my conversion thread. As an investigator, I always thought it odd that people speaking during fast Sunday almost always included "I know this Church is true, I know the Book of Mormon is true, etc". I never took it to be the Holy Spirit compelling them to bear that testimony with those specific words. I eventually concluded that it was a cultural thing members said, just like folding arms during prayer. I never took it to be inspired, although the thought or feeling may be inspired. It's almost like a confirmation. My first visit to the church was on fast Sunday and I left wondering if people were trying to convince themselves.

I don't understand what you mean by this. What do you believe "doctrine" is?

Thanks. I think my largest concern is it affects the other children. I can handle it. I'm not a "lose your mind" type of person. It just really bothers me to see the other kids wanting to listen, wanting to participate, but they can't.

The parents aren't there. Those are just my observations from outside the meeting.

As I've mentioned earlier, my wife and I have been activity day leaders since January. I've tried everything to keep these classes under control. I have kids from ages 7-11 in the class and 99% of them are awesome. There are several that are just out of control. I mean absolutely nuts. They scream for no reason, run around the classroom, don't listen to me or their parents, and generally just disrupt the class. The other kids are noticeably not happy with the situation. I've tried distraction. I've tried reasoning. I've tried being stern. I think they just can't help it, for whatever reason. I'm assuming we're going to be called into the new program as well, so I'm looking for ideas. Duct tape is the only thing that comes to mind.

As a new member, I don't spend time reading the anti stuff. I never have. I've often thought, though, if people put as much time into learning about Christ and his Church as they do tearing it down once they leave, they'd never have left. Let's face it. Being a member of the Church isn't exactly easy. It would be so much easier to just agree that it was false and walk away. That just wouldn't be the truth, though, and I'd always know it.

This. You'll miss 100% of the shots you don't take. I married my best friend. Never would have happened if I hadn't drunk dialed cute, funny girl who's name I didn't even know.

So much this. That was why I asked if @mrmarklin was a member of the Church. I can't imagine ever telling someone they shouldn't seek the counsel of their bishop over something like that. "Not going to hell" isn't equal to "pleasing to God". How can you continue progression without repentance? How can you be repentant if you are lying to your spouse?

Are you?

I understand that, yet it doesn't address my point. Sure they are.

Are you a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

This is the flaw in your thinking. It's not the "young people's church". It's Christ's. Why do inactive people spend so much time worrying about what the church does? Why keep pushing it? I really don't get it.

I don't see how you can truly repent while still lying to your husband.

The Christ

Have you taken lessons from missionaries? I'd suggest that be your first step. See how you feel after that.

Handbook 2:21.1.24

Didn't they even ask members not to write to them?