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That's probably my largest issue with most politicians.   However, if I draw a very hard line around this criteria I believe I'll rarely get a chance to vote OR be forced to vote for someone I believe won't be able to do the job.

I think this is where it likely rests and I even remember reading something written decades ago when I started my "why" research, after we were asked to shave, that mentioned current culture and negative associations with facial hair. 

I don't know what to tell you my friend.  I never meant anything of the sort.   My post that you initially took issue with was speaking specifically towards this:   
I personally find it more "problematic" that thinking they can't have facial hair would drive someone away from the Church.    That was what I stated.  I went further by asserting I thought it foolish that someone would give up coffee, alcohol, and finances to follow Christ but facial hair would be where they drew the line.

Your only response was "we don't have to shave every week".  I pointed out that was a factual statement.  We don't have to.  We don't have to do anything.

You got a little snarky.  I further, again factually, explained why I feel the way I do.   

To be fair, I feel bad it bothers you so much, but I don't assume guilt.  I hold myself responsible for poor delivery from time to time, maybe even now, but I don't hold myself responsible for hurt feelings when asserting we should follow the examples and counsel of our priesthood leaders.
Happy Thanksgiving!  Enjoy your day.

I find it more problematic that people would be driven away from Christ because they can't have a beard.   
Don't drink alcohol?   Too easy.
No coffee or tea?   Who cares.
You have to shave every week?   Sorry, Jesus.

I'd argue that Americans haven't largely cared about moral character for decades.  Conservatives still claim it does (as of the 2018 Gallup Poll, anyway) but I believe it's just lip service for most of them as well.

That said, even for those that it does really matter for it's a tough choice.  Take the last, or upcoming, election.  I don't personally believe that either candidate has a moral character that I'd support.  However, one of them is going to be president so I have a choice of voting for who I believe will be best for America or I write in a candidate that has character I can support.   In a national election, that's a safer way to stand on moral high ground and say "it wasn't me" because my one vote likely isn't going to change the outcome.   In my local election, where candidates win by 10's of votes and sometimes less, doing so could have serious negative impacts on my life.

That's probably my largest issue with most politicians.   However, if I draw a very hard line around this criteria I believe I'll rarely get a chance to vote OR be forced to vote for someone I believe won't be able to do the job.

This is the propaganda headlines that drive me batty.  I'm not a huge fan of Trump, but a small group of protestors OUTSIDE the venue that likely showed up from who-knows-where to specifically  boo Trump doesn't mean "that's an issue".  Did you see the clips where the stadium erupted in cheers when he walked onto the field?  Nah.  People wouldn't want to report that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqy2U6Xk4Rg

I won't vote for him in the primary, but I will without regret if he wins the nomination.

I'd argue that Americans haven't largely cared about moral character for decades.  Conservatives still claim it does (as of the 2018 Gallup Poll, anyway) but I believe it's just lip service for most of them as well.

That said, even for those that it does really matter for it's a tough choice.  Take the last, or upcoming, election.  I don't personally believe that either candidate has a moral character that I'd support.  However, one of them is going to be president so I have a choice of voting for who I believe will be best for America or I write in a candidate that has character I can support.   In a national election, that's a safer way to stand on moral high ground and say "it wasn't me" because my one vote likely isn't going to change the outcome.   In my local election, where candidates win by 10's of votes and sometimes less, doing so could have serious negative impacts on my life.

That's probably my largest issue with most politicians.   However, if I draw a very hard line around this criteria I believe I'll rarely get a chance to vote OR be forced to vote for someone I believe won't be able to do the job.

Depends on the kid.  😇

I've had kids wander on the stand during Sacrament and plop on my lap or give me a fist bump.   I think the generally accepted rule is "kids be kids, yo"

To you as well!

I don't know what to tell you my friend.  I never meant anything of the sort.   My post that you initially took issue with was speaking specifically towards this:   
I personally find it more "problematic" that thinking they can't have facial hair would drive someone away from the Church.    That was what I stated.  I went further by asserting I thought it foolish that someone would give up coffee, alcohol, and finances to follow Christ but facial hair would be where they drew the line.

Your only response was "we don't have to shave every week".  I pointed out that was a factual statement.  We don't have to.  We don't have to do anything.

You got a little snarky.  I further, again factually, explained why I feel the way I do.   

To be fair, I feel bad it bothers you so much, but I don't assume guilt.  I hold myself responsible for poor delivery from time to time, maybe even now, but I don't hold myself responsible for hurt feelings when asserting we should follow the examples and counsel of our priesthood leaders.
Happy Thanksgiving!  Enjoy your day.

We don't HAVE to do anything. 

I find it more problematic that people would be driven away from Christ because they can't have a beard.   
Don't drink alcohol?   Too easy.
No coffee or tea?   Who cares.
You have to shave every week?   Sorry, Jesus.

This is the propaganda headlines that drive me batty.  I'm not a huge fan of Trump, but a small group of protestors OUTSIDE the venue that likely showed up from who-knows-where to specifically  boo Trump doesn't mean "that's an issue".  Did you see the clips where the stadium erupted in cheers when he walked onto the field?  Nah.  People wouldn't want to report that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqy2U6Xk4Rg

I won't vote for him in the primary, but I will without regret if he wins the nomination.

Media's bias against Trump is the biggest non-secret there is. Their own telling is that media built him up and he became a monster that they could not stop or tame.

The handbook states who should be invited to sit on the stand.  It doesn't specifically prohibit anyone, but I personally wouldn't work outside of those listed in the handbook.  I've never seen anyone else work outside that, either.

Depends on the kid.  😇

I've had kids wander on the stand during Sacrament and plop on my lap or give me a fist bump.   I think the generally accepted rule is "kids be kids, yo"

The handbook states who should be invited to sit on the stand.  It doesn't specifically prohibit anyone, but I personally wouldn't work outside of those listed in the handbook.  I've never seen anyone else work outside that, either.

The handbook states who should be invited to sit on the stand.  It doesn't specifically prohibit anyone, but I personally wouldn't work outside of those listed in the handbook.  I've never seen anyone else work outside that, either.

To you as well!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I’m so thankful for everyone here!