NeuroTypical

Glad you're here Carb. Imma stop talking and listen to you about Korea now.

True, but when not used as an insult, it does have a meaning. Someone 'woke' has learned about (and become convinced of) supposed problems with our nation like systemic racism, the plight of historically marginalized people like LGBT folks, an artificial gender binary enforced by an exclusive patriarchy, unconscious or unexamined biases, white privilege, etc. (I've learned the lingo, and there are indeed people who use these words and mean them, without a hint of irony or sarcasm. They're serious.) I didn't see any of that on the Korean webpage.

The US and some others have learned in recent years to wince and recoil at words "gender" and "equality". But just a quick look at this webpage, and I can't really find anything I'd call "woke", as understood by the US. https://www.mogef.go.kr/eng/pc/eng_pc_f001.do It's full of terms and claims that the US would consider 'traditional'. Like knowing there are women and men. Nothing about equity and while I don't know the details, this one page has little of what I'd consider socialism or millennial progressivism. But I only know what one WSJ article, and one KR web page is showing me. Other than that, I'm totally ignorant.

It's hard to google up a good history of such things, but China knows how to conduct a trade war, and has participated in several, even pre-dating Nixon's historic trip. https://stacker.com/world/timeline-us-trade-relations-china

Digging up this fun old thread, due to recent developments. Trump has been quite loud about tariffs and China, now China is returning fire: https://www.mofcom.gov.cn/zwgk/zcfb/art/2024/art_3d5e990b43424e60828030f58a547b60.html [google translate] In accordance with the Export Control Law of the People's Republic of China and other relevant laws and regulations, in order to safeguard national security and interests, and fulfill international obligations such as non-proliferation, it has decided to strengthen export controls on relevant dual-use items to the United States. The relevant matters are hereby announced as follows: 1. Prohibit the export of dual-use items to U.S. military users or for military use. 2. In principle, the export of gallium, germanium, antimony, and superhard materials to the United States shall not be permitted; Tighter end-user and end-use vetting for graphite dual-use items exported to the United States. Organizations and individuals in any country or region who transfer or provide relevant dual-use items originating in the People's Republic of China to the United States in violation of the above provisions will be investigated for legal responsibility in accordance with the law. This announcement shall be officially implemented from the date of promulgation.

I'm not close, but can pass along info from what I've found to be fairly reliable sources. https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/south-koreas-president-declares-martial-law-citing-threat-of-pro-north-korean-forces-a1fdc738?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I speculate it is a scriptural symbolic story. I don't lose any sleep over the possibility that I am wrong, nor do I take issue with anyone who speculates differently.

Yep. And these are the American citizen hostages (at least, those considered to be still alive, maybe): Keith Siegel, 65, from North Carolina. Captured and driven to Gaza in his own car. His mom died recently, during his kidnapping. Sagui Dekel-Chen, 36. His mom was also captured and wounded, but was able to escape quickly and made it to safety. Edan Alexander, 20. Used in a heavily-edited propaganda video. We thought Omer Neutra, 22 was alive, but this week we learned he died. The other American citizens taken by Hamas who are confirmed dead are Itay Chen (19), Judith Weinstein (70), and Gadi Haggai (73).

Oof. Today on "what's our incoming president talking about": https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113584730902816413

This is what happens when you let your alt-right Voter membership lapse! https://www.elderguru.com/political-reasons-not-to-join-aarp/#google_vignette https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/aarp/lobbying?id=D000023726

Ahem. That's https://amac.us/ .

I am guessing that murr-diddley-urderizing the legacy/dinosaur media will be one of Trump's greatest legacies. Rush Limbaugh made a 35 year radio career pointing out the flaws and hypocritical lying biases inherent in CNN and the 'big three'. But they were doing well surviving the ascendancy of twitter and social media citizen journalism - until Trump took them head on. Viciously. Personally and by individually. Accusing them of asking stupid questions, being bad reporters, working for fake news. Dude is not within a million miles of being worthy of this comparison - but he really channeled a Jesus vs. the Pharisees vibe when he took on the media. It was beautiful to watch. It'll be interesting to see his relationship with the media after 4 years of dinosaur media decline. These days people invite a dozen hip TikTok influencers. It'll be fun to look for CNN, ABC, MSNBC, and CBS and not see them. I heard CNN lost to the cooking channel during Trump's presidency, during one time slot. That was the beginning.

Head scratcher indeed. I mean, surely if we revised this old chart, there would no longer be a problem, right?

Kind of hard to be hysterical when Trump's pick for a key position, is now set to become the nation's first openly gay Treasury secretary. Scott Bessent and his husband even own and restored the historic John Ravanel house, aka the My contacts in the alphabet community (the ones with a decent sense of humor, anyway) are finding it difficult to complain about the gay guy in Trump's administration who owns a giant gay pink mansion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Bessent

Just so you know, most rational humans who argue and debate and discuss all tend to agree on this thing called the burden of proof. Wiki's definition is pretty good: "The burden of proof (shortened from 'the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies') is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for its position. You made a claim. It's on you to back it up. You haven't backed it up. I mean, there's not exactly a penalty or punishment. People expressing their opinions fail to support/substantiate/prove their opinions all the time. There is a consequence though. People who express opinions but provide little to persuade, start being regarded as someone with opinions that are not worthy of consideration. There are ways to avoid this consequence: - Provide better evidence supporting your opinion. - Express a lot of opinions, and have persuasive evidence for most of them. Nobody is perfect. - Say something like "Huh-maybe I need to re-think my position. I thought my evidence was more persuasive." Here are common ways to increase the chances of people placing low or negative value in your opinions: - Accuse those responding to your efforts of failing to prove or debunk anything. [I can think of others if anyone wants to hear them.]

Well, since you were kind enough to provide a link, recorded by Willard Richards and Thomas Bullock who were acting in their capacity of church historians, I think I'll stick with what what this record says about Joseph's views, ca 1843: "Elder Hyde enquired the situation of the Negro. I replied they come into the world slaves, mentally & physically. Change their situation with the whites, & they would be like them. They have souls & are subjects of Salvation. Go into Cincinati. or any city, and find an educated negro. who rides in his carriage, and you will see a being who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability." In other words, "There's really no difference between black and white folk, other than the circumstances of their environment, and a black man can do anything a white man can. Just look at black folk in Cincinnatti." In still other words, your claim continues to go unsupported by anything you've provided. And, since it's easy to lose track of stuff in threads, here's your original claim: I'm always struck that Joseph had plenty to say about black folk and slavery, and when closely viewed (like I just did in italics above), it sort of reflects our modern understanding of humans and humanity. 2 decades before the US went to war with itself over the matter, it seems like Joseph had it figured out.

That link shows a page which reads in part: "Brother Pratt arose and stated that the duty of the 12 is to ordain and send men to their native country. Brother Able was advised to visit the colored plantation. The advice was sanctioned by the conference." Then they changed subjects and talked about the temple. I can't really see how this record supports your claim. I see nothing about how he shouldn't be publicly recognized as Elder. There's nothing there about "only" preaching to black people - you added that yourself. It wasn't 3 Q12 members, it was Brother Pratt. It wasn't something he "stated", it was something he "advised". Everyone agreed it was good advice. ? This page seems to be good evidence for a position exactly opposite what you're claiming. "Elder Hyde enquired the situation of the Negro. I replied they come into the world slaves, mentally & physically. Change their situation with the whites, & they would be like them. They have souls & are subjects of Salvation. Go into Cincinati. or any city, and find an educated negro. who rides in his carriage, and you will see a being who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability." Joseph is basically saying "there's really no difference between black and white folk, other than the circumstances of their environment, and a black man can do anything a white man can. Just look at black folk in Cincinnatti." Yeah, @Maverick I'm glad you're providing links. They're not supporting your claims.

Thanks for cutting and pasting all that. I'm hearing that you have all this in a text file or something? Do you have a source or a link? I'm not calling foul or anything, but the rise of modern AI technology just makes it more unwise than ever before to just believe something you see on the internet. And Carb's links shed some doubt on your compiled accounts. And I looked around and couldn't find the Interview with Zebedee Coltrin and Abraham O. Smoot on https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/. Please don't take it personally. I just prefer to read as close to a source as I possibly can whenever trying to figure out what I think about anything.

This is not my understanding of the matter, either for Elijah Abel or for his sons. Do you have references supporting this? I second Vort's request for references or sources. I've never heard before that someone thought Abel's ordination was an "error", and told him he wasn't permitted to exercise the priesthood. @Maverick, please tell us who told you that stuff. I'd really like to know.

Also, let's all have good data driven perspective on what happened during Biden's years: Source

Good start. Up next: A ceasefire and talks between Russia and Ukraine - also something Trump promised he would do before taking office.

I don't think such a thing exists. We have evidence for the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, but not proof. Some of it is good evidence, some is weaker evidence. But no proof. You can't reason or prove yourself into a testimony.

Heh. Colorado Springs learned it's lesson. Panicky with George Floyd riots, the Democrats hastily run a diversity candidate for mayor, Yemi Mobalate. Dude wins handily, because everyone is scrambling to signal virtue to our new Antifa overlords. He goes on to be a pretty good mayor who created a dashboard to measure himself against goals of things like reducing homelessness. When Denver's sanctuary city philosophy crumbled and Denver started looking at other cities to "help", Mayor Yemi was quite outspoken about how Denver will NOT be sending his city any illegal immigrants.

Nah, I'm sure it'll all be fine.

Ok can do: