NeuroTypical

I'm no scholar, but that pretty well sums up my gut reaction to the issue.I can see why a follower the BoM who is not LDS, would not find that line of thinking especially persuasive. And I guess I'm ok with that. Are you ok with me? LM

It makes perfect sense to me, that if most parental physical/sexual abuse comes from males, then families made of two mommies would have much lower rates. Of course, if UCLA wished to forward truth instead of producing pro-gay propaganda, they'd look into the rates of abuse for families with two daddies as well. Something makes perfect sense for me there too - but I'm thinking the world doesn't wanna hear it. LM

Let's try to remember this thread was started in July, and the OP hasn't posted since then.

As someone who has sat in 'the hot seat', I can unreservedly state that if you can force yourself to put one step in front of the other and get into that office, and then open your mouth and tell your story, everything else will fall into place. The Bishop isn't interested in punishing or embarassing you. He's interested in helping remove this burden of sin from you, so you can walk through life clean. LM

Well, since humanity has been living without it for thousands of years, and only this brief century or two has seen us with it, the obvious answer is yes. But it wouldn't be life that many of us recognize, unless we're very close to stories our great grandparents told. Electricity powers pumps that fill gas tanks of trucks that fill grocery store shelves. Electricity powers machines that refine oil into gas. Modern large farms don't produce food without electricity. Electricity runs pumps that get water to our houses. Depending on where you live, modern homes are not designed to be lived in without heating and/or cooling - which rely on electricity. Going without electricity short term is doable. Long term, and we're back to 1800's style living. LM

Emily Troutman sounds like someone with an axe to grind or a desire to create outrage and emotion. She sounds like Mother Theresea's critics. "Oh sure, she does a, b, and c - but how come we never see her doing d? Huh? Isn't d important? Didn't Jesus do d? What a bad mother Theresea for not doing d!"

Hi Elder, We're not against you. We're mindful of the reasons behind a lot of the unwritten rules of internet etiquette. You have a learning curve to come down, my friend. You don't ask for people's names, or any other personal details, in a thread where anyone and their evil dog can see. If you want personal details, you send them a private message. Keep in mind - a thread is like a room with people in it where everyone can see you and what you say. And all the people are wearing masks - you don't know who they really are. It's not the right place for a private conversation. So why am I giving you all this private information in a thread then? Well, I'm doing it so everyone and their dog reading your post won't feel the need to respond to you. You have better use of your time than to hear 10 answers to one question. And asking "why are you all against us" sort of assumes the negative - kind of like the question "have you stopped beating your wife yet". It's off-putting. In words that a missionary would appreciate, such a question needs less sounding brass and more charity. You'll get there. Just be receptive to learning how to not mess up. LM

I love this subject, and here are a few of my favorite quotes about it:

Hi dwgmom, I don't really have a solution for you. I can only say that if you struggle with a temper, you're in very good company. Some things Brigham Young had to say about the issue. Read closely - he looks like he's chastising you, but if you read closely enough, you can see that he's chastising himself. LM

I was thinking Living Scriptures. "You want to have the spirit in your home, don't you?"

For those of you who haven't got the faintest clue what this 1st pres letter was about, you're fine. For those of you who do, I'm sure you're not surprised to discover the church is against them. LM

Hi Elder! Welcome to the forum. I remember how cool it was having a cousin being one of the first missionaries in Russia. Now you get to be one of the first missionaries fishing for souls by sitting at a computer. It will be interesting to see how you folks fare. Here's hoping people get baptized because of your efforts. One thing, you didn't start a forum, you started a thread on a forum. One other thing, say what you have to say once only. Saying it more than once is spam, and will get deleted. So, how's life in Santa Rosa? Are you getting much flak for proposition 8? LM

I have not got the faintest clue why God set it up that way. But scripture is pretty clear on the issue - Peter, John the Baptist, Christ, all are pretty clearly on record that repentance and baptism go hand in hand for removing sin from mankind so we can get back into God's presence after death. Some of Christianity ignores the issue, some parts figure that heaven just isn't for everyone, other parts of Christianity get around the physical part with a spiritual interpretation of those scriptures. We Mormons figure they're talking actual physical baptism by immersion, just like Christ had done. LM

Laws are different in every state on this issue. And there is often buzz about changing them, based on whoever is hollering the loudest at the time. I remember in SLC back in the early '90's, one of my coworkers was all excited about a possible new law that would give her the right to see her grandkids against her kid's wishes. No idea wether that law made it through, or has changed since. So, I'm assuming that you're not really getting along well with the in-laws either? Because if they're nice people and it's good for your kids to be around them, then what's the problem? Assuming it's not in the kid's best interest to see the grandparents on your time: If I were you, whenever the subject came up with any of them, this would be the first thing out of my mouth: "Sorry, but it's not like your parents have no access. We got a full schedule when I've got the kids - they'll have to make do with your visitation." LM

If you want to see communism, take a look at the kid's TV show Thomas and Friends. * Centrally planned society. * A revered central leader (Sir Topham Hatt). * The greatest aspiration an engine can have, is to be useful. They live and die by how useful Hatt thinks they are. * Morality and character are only important to the extent that they're recognized by Hatt and the other engines as making useful contributions to the society. * Total, absolute submission to the state and it's goals is revered. Stories about how bad things happen when someone acts in their own self-interests abound. Now, all that said, my kids liked watching it when they were smaller. We have several DVD's and umpteen Thomas train and track accessories. No, they didn't get turned into communists by watching the show. That would be a stupid thing to worry about. LM

Welcome LD! My dad was strongly anti-religion and anti LDS for my whole life. But he was a good man. Joking with him about us mormons was always fun.

Because your scenario where "nobody ever does a proxy baptism for them, ever", does not exist in the LDS sphere of understanding. From what we can tell, yes, everybody who needs one gets a proxy baptism, and nobody goes without. Even the crotchety old antimormon on the corner who manages a deathbed conversion before he croaks, and nobody notices. LM

This whole notion that it's bad to let active imaginations explore good and evil through roleplay, has never made any sense to me. Ever since my kids could walk, we've been taking turns being the bad evil guy chasing the good innocent guy through the house. Here's what it looks like: Me: "I'm gonna eat you - RAAAARGH!" Daughter: "EEEEEEEKKKKK!" [chase ensues through the house, until daughter is cornered in the bathroom or something.] Daughter: "I eet you rarghhh!" Me: "Oh no! A Demon baby! Run!" [chase ensues in the opposite direction until I'm cornered] I can't really tell the difference between that, and roleplaying games where folks pretend out scenes of good and evil, bravery and cowardice, nobility of spirit and debasement of body. As we mature and grow up, the depth and complexity of our personalities and character also mature. We're here on earth to choose between good and evil, having both of them placed before us. It seems like a waste of time to fret about pentagrams and meditating smurfs and +4 rods of beheading and whatnot. I mean yeah, if someone is giving up a real life in favor of a fake one, that's an issue. Not an issue confined to roleplaying games or MMPORG's either. LM

Well, the basic answer, is that God didn't set up the system where basic human error could mess it up. We believe that during Christ's reign on earth after he comes again, everyone who needs the earthly saving ordinances will get them. That includes people we "forgot" to baptize, problems with lost or incorrect records, babies sacrificed on remote islands to pagan gods right before the earthquake killed everyone, or any other situation you can imagine where well-meaning Mormons might not be aware of the need. I've tried hard to find a loophole in this Gospel, a way to game the system, or evidence that God's perfect blend of mercy and justice won't reach everyone somehow. Haven't been able to find it yet. Good question though. LM

Hmmm. Ordinarily, a flurry of melodramatic outraged talking-headdery is a big red flag that there's another side of the story that isn't being told. In my search for the other side, all we see is this short statement from ICE: I'm wondering exactly how sudden and unexpected this news actually is to the Correa family. I'm wondering if it isn't true that they've been told numerous times, starting from the very outset a decade ago, that a visa waiver deal is a temporary thing, and they've refused to pursue other avenues to citizenship. I've worked with a bunch of visa waiver folks over the years - they fell into two categories. The folks who were here temporarily, and the folks who were pursuing other ways to come here permanently and bring their families here. Asylum from Argentina for anti-mormon harassment? I didn't think things were that bad in Argentina. A quick search of "argentina" at LDS.org says there were 277,000 members in 64 stakes there in 1999. There are operating temples in Buenos Aires and Cordoba. Yeah, we should have sympathy and compassion for folks, especially kids who did nothing to deserve such a disruption in their lives. And yeah, surely there is a lot of ways our immigration system needs to be fixed. But in this case, it looks like the total story isn't near as one-sidedly tear-jerking as the media is portraying. LM

Are they different foods? Not everything lasts 25 years. I'm no expert, but I've heard that foods containing fats and oils tend to not last as long. It's one reason why white rice is so popular a storage item, but whole grain brown rice isn't. The brown rice goes rancid after a while.

Yeah, Lena's parents had it tough. The Mom had to give up any notions of justice for her daughter within 24 hours of her daughter's violation. The dad woke up the next day to find his daughter all raped, and his wife off acting as travel guide to the guy who did it, and every good guy in the Land telling him to just shut up about it and not make waves, or else the whole planet would blow up or something. As I said, I learned a lot lot about the nature of despair and hope. I also learned that most of the time, it's pretty much a good thing to not shut up, and make the biggest friggin' wave I can, when in that guy's position.

No. Several church leaders are on record that no, this sort of stuff is not happening. There is no planned "callout" to tent cities or prepared property or anything of the sort. The call to stay put and build up Zion where you are, is the current advice of the church. LM

Congrats on coming back to activity, and wanting to come closer to God. That's big jujul So, here's a question - do you hold the Melchizedek priesthood? If you're an Elder, then well, the Bishop is big on stewardship over the Aaronic and the other members. The Stake President has stewardship over Elders and HP's. I don't remember all the details, but if you wish to confess some sins, I'm thinking it's the SP that handles disciplinary councils and whatnot for the Melchizedek PH. Anyway, I'd make an appt with the SP, and give him the exact specific behaviors and things you've witnessed from the bishop. ("He's been a jerk to me" isn't an exact specific behavior...) Let him know you have some things in your life you'd like to confess, and you'd feel more comfortable taking care of it with him. Give it a try and see what he says. At the very least, you'll know more about how things work than you do now. LM

This really isn't that hard. Getting that piece of paper doesn't have to be expensive. You don't have to have a big wedding with a ton of guests and a million bucks worth of flowers.I'm guessing if you approached your Bishop and told him what you're telling us, he'd barely be able to avoid shouting for joy, and he could help you. Really honestly truly - he's not interested in handing over guilt trips - he's interested in helping you come closer to God. If he can do that by being sensitive to your man's current situation and your finances, then hooray for everybody - especially your child. Let us know how things are working out! LM