WillowTheWhisp

When I create a meal for my family I do so out of the ingredients in my kitchen. It is not difficult for me to understand God creating the earth out of raw materials which already existed.

I'm a convert and had no idea what the garments were like before I went to the temple. The first ones I got (drisylque) I did not like at all and couldn't imagine getting used to them, but then I discovered a different material and style (nylonmesh) and have worn those ever since. I have never heard of it being acceptable to wear them only on Sundays.I have worn mine day and night for over 25 years. I was old the only time it is acceptable to remove them is for bathing and swimming.

I think I agree with anatess here. It could be that he has only just come to an understanding of the wrong he did and has no idea how to make restitution. Asking for forgiveness is a small step but at least it's in the right direction. Personally I feel it would matter to me to let him know he was forgiven, forgiven but not excused, and I would emphasise my wish to have no further contact and put it all in the past never to be resurrected.

It's pretty much the same in our Ward with Visiting Teaching. We had a "gee 'em up" meeting last Sunday evening and even though we tried not to give clues about what it was about only the 'STP' (well maybe 15) showed up. People I would have liked to have seen just weren't there. I felt we were preaching to the converted and personally when I keep getting the same thing over and over again it's offputting. The year has barely started and we sisters have already had 3 lessons on 'sustaining the priesthood' and Bishop wants us to have one of those non-homemaking evenings next month on the same subject because 'the priesthood in our Ward are rubbish'(to quote the Bishop) - I personally feel the sisters are sick ofhearing how it's up to them to motivate their brethren/sons/husbands/fathers/neighbours/chap on the pew in front and maybe it needs to come from the Bishopric and EQP etc instead.

I think we may not all mean the same thing when we say 'rock music'. To me the term describes very loud electric guitars, often with jarring screeching chords, a very loud thumping drumbeat, unintelligible words screamed out at the top of their voices, half naked or leather clad performers, squealing fans and a total air of loss of control. To some people it means Jimmy Osmond singing 'Long haired lover from Liverpool' with an impish grin and wearing a home knitted sweater.

Thank you. That clears my confusion. 1912 then is the answer to the 'when'.

I agree Elgama.

Far from contention I see only positive responses from people who confirm that they feel anything but oppressed. It's been an uplifting thread for me.

Well barley for mild drinks is an easy one for me. We have a 'hot drink' coffee substitute made from roasted barley which a lot of church members here drink ----- oh but hang on a minute ---- the Word of Wisdom says we shouldn't drink 'hot drinks'! This could get really complicated!

I'm sure your Bishop will put your mind at rest on Wednesday and do whatever is necessary to welcome you back into the church. If your name is still on record hopefully that will not be a difficult process, but even if it takes a while stick with it because it will be worth it.

From personal experience I can tell you that it does, and an interviewwith the Bishop and Stake President was necessary before that baptism was allowed to take place.

But the curious thing is that the Word of Wisdom states: That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him. And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make. (D&C 89:5,6) Still talking about making your own wine there for use in Sacrament - no menton of any water. So, personally I am still curious about when it became water that was used instead.

But D&C 27:3 simply says don't purchase the wine from your enemies and verse 4 says 'you shall partake of none except it is made new among you' so although verse 2 says 'it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament' it does not say anywhere that wine is forbidden. The scripture actually says it's OK so long as you've made it yourself and not bought it from your enemies. It doesn't answer the query of when wine was replaced by water.

I have no advice to offer, just a terrible sadness that people can behave this way,

But that scripture doesn't answer the question of when it changed so that it had to be water.We even have wine mentioned in a hymn.

But surely those scriptures are till in the realms of "you can drink wine so long as you make it yourself"

Oh I thought if they changed all the time then they were just randomly placed by Google picking up on key words.

I still think the name just sounds too corny and would discourage me from buying one. It's like people who name their house something like "Dunroamin" - if I bought the house I would just have to change the name. I like the idea of proving the ad wrong though by buying a bike and then getting lost! As for its placement on the page - those are randomly placed by Google aren't they?

Yes, that's what title I was given when officially called and sustained. :)

That would actually put me off buying one.

I've sent you my email address Susie.

We don't actually know whether they did or not. For all we know the daughter may not have been doing her chores on a regular basis and the mother may have said that if she didn't pull her weight then she would lose some privileges - one being the use of her laptop for a while. I remember years ago having bought my daughters a doll each. My friend who was with us bought her daughter one too. On the way home they kept waving the dolls around in the car and being very distracting. I asked them to stop and told them it was dangerous to distract someone driving a car.They didn't stop. I told them again and said if they did not stop I would take the dolls from them. They did not stop. I took the dolls. My friend took her daughter's doll but later gave it back. I was mean. I didn't give them back.

Thanks Susie that would be lovely.

Our RS Presidency and Bishop have decided the topics for the whole year too. It just needs fleshing out a bit with exactly what will happen at each meeting. There is no such calling as "enrichment leader" now is there? That's what I gathered from Sister Beck's talk.

The Dad has admitted to his son that it was him and that he was 'just having a laugh' with my daughter. To be perfectly honest I would not have expected it of the father because I know the son and imagined that his parents would be of similar standard, he has actually stayed at our house a few times and been out places with us. He is certainly serious about his mission and I've had some good long discussions with him on gospel related subjects. I don't know if his Dad told him exactly what was said but he did say that he'd asked his Dad to apologise and a little later my daughter got a text from the Dad. I got the feeling the son was annoyed that his Father had upset my daughter but was trying to smooth things over and hoping she would accept that it was just bad taste in humour. The family live quite a long way from us and I have never met either parent as both live in the same geographical area.