WillowTheWhisp

I can see that the majority of opinion here outweighs the directive from church leaders which I just find a little odd but not unusual here as I have noticed in the past where people have supported each other's personal opinions rather than follow the direction from church leaders. I do find that strange - "What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same" (D&C 1:38). I think I'd rather follow the directives of church leaders as published in official documents than go with public opinion, but I suppose you could say that's just my own personal opinion. If it was just down to personal opinion why would our leaders bother giving us the instructons?

I once gave our choir director a metronome

It's funny how we are all so eager to do the "I think" here and yet we have a directive in black and white from church leaders instructing us that when teaching a class we do not share past sins and transgressions.What is the point of being given that instruction if we read it then go away saying "yes but, personally I think...................."? Heavenly Father says, "Thou shalt not steal" - do we nod our heads wisely and then add "yes but, personally I think ................ if somebody has more than me it's OK, if they are covered by insurance it's OK, if I rob the rich to give to the poor it's OK, if nobody saw me do it it's OK" ? Just my two penn'orth.

I enjoy rock music. I play loud music for pleasure at home. I have a lot of favourite music, some of it is even by the Osmonds. I like soul music and I like blues. I even like an Alice Cooper song .............. and things like "I wanna know what love is" can be very moving. "Love lifts us up where we belong." has that effect on me too. I think they are great and it is possible to see them on a Christian level. One song I particularly do that with is "No Matter What" by Meat Loaf, yet I would not want any of them as part ofmy Sunday worship. They have their place but I don't believe it is Sunday Morning Sacrament Meeting. On the other hand I did once request permission to play an old song called "Come To Me" in my RS lesson but all the lyrics are scripture based and it is a very sweet and gentle song. (NOT P. Diddy!)

I agree, the former is encouraging and uplifting but the latter is practically encouraging people to skip class and I think is counter-productive.

I just followed my own advice andlooked up "Teaching, No Greater Call" - under "Methods of Teaching" in the paragraph on personal experiences it says "Do not talk about past sins or transgressions." which may be what you were looking for. I know it was no gigantic sin but it was more of a 'how not to do it' :)

I'm with lcsc on this. What will it benefit the class by the teacher telling them that she used to skip that class? Unless she followed that up by telling them that she then started attending the class and how that benefitted her. Otherwise it just sounds like she is telling them not to bother coming. We are always being told only to uplift each other. I don't see that as setting ourselves above others. We can do it in a humble way. Have you looked in "Teaching, no geater call" ? There may be some advice on the subject in there.

Lizzy, I cannot help wondering why you left your studying til the last minute. Yes you need to study for tests but tests are supposed to be an assessment of what you have learned and anything that you just cram at the last minute for a test you will probably have forgotten as soon as the test is over. This does you no earthly good at all in the long run. Your time would have been far better spent doing those dishes. What about other times when you could have been studying? What were you doing then? Do you listen to music whilst doing your chores? How about some audio aids to learning and kill two birds with one stone? I really do not think your mother was asking too much of you and find myself wondering if she had already tried being reasonable with you in the past and got nowhere. As a mother I tend to resort to things like confiscation of a laptop when other reasonable debate and discussion has failed. Actions often speak louder than words and have more impact on a teenager with selective deafness. I would probably have done the same as your mother and said "You can have it back when you start pulling your weight around here." I have 2 teenage daughters but I also remember being a teenager myself.

Hello Polly. Welcome to the site and welcome back to Church. Whereabouts in France do you live? We have some friends in France (Limoges Ward) and one day we hope to be able to move there too.

We've had the Osmonds and Gladys Knight at our Sunday meetings when they have just sung the hymns with the rest of the congregation. We've also had firesides with them when they have 'performed' more upbeat music but still in a spiritually uplifting way so the latter is possible but just not appropriate for a worship setting such as Sacrament Meeting.

I didn't know this either. I have a friend who was /is LDS but a little while ago stopped coming to church and started to go to another church which was nearer to where she lived. She asked about having her name taken off records and was dissuaded from writing to request it. She hasn't been excommunicated even though she has now been baptised into this other church. Maybe our leaders are just hoping she'll change her mind and come back.

We could just as easily ask are men oppressed because they are expected to be the breadwinners and don't have the responsibility of bearing children.

I wish there was a laugh button. Nice one Saturnfulcrum

But surely the temple prayer roll isn't about salvation it is about 'the sick and afflicted'. We're not talking about saving their souls but about restoring their health.

Well I am an LDS woman and I have never felt oppressed. I often feel challenged but without challenges and goals we surely stagnate. The men are challenged too - it's how we grow.

You could try looking at this from the opposite perspective and ask yourself if you and your wife are offended by the fact that this guy is gay? If the answer is 'no' then surely it works the other way too - he should not be offended by your LDS lifestyle and beliefs. After all he is coming to your home where you are perfectly entitled enjoy your own beliefs and display something which is meaningful to you. It's not as if you are trying to impose those beliefs on anyone else or force them to live by your standards. Would the person who gave you this gift be offended if it was not displayed? You could always compromise and like Just-A-Guy suggested display the proclamation elsewhere.

Could you please elaborate? I have always been under the impression that in the beginning there was just the Catholic church and that all others came from it.

I also draw coloured boxes and when a scripture can have more than one identifyable topic I use one colour inside another. It definitely does help me.

It can be any adult male present.

But there only WAS the Catholic church at the time so who else was responsible for the Bible then?

:) Sounds like you will be making a great new start.

I think you've got it spot on there Vanhin. Unfortunately somepeople do seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick and criticise teachers for doing exactly that.

If the last line of The Lord's Prayer is there in 3 Nephi is it remotely possible that it was there in the original NT and somehow lost then restored?

It sounds like he is showing rebellion as anger at God for all that has happened. I hope the Bishop will be able to offer you help and advice.

Well in the manual on page 1 under the title "Introduction" there is a list of bullet points one of which is "Teach by the Spirit" under "Teach the doctrine" it says: 'do not substitute outside materials, however interesting they may be.' but also adds: 'As appropriate, use personal experiences and articles from Church magazines to supplement the lessons' Perhaps people who are putting their own spin on this could do well to go backand read that intro.