kona0197 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Just so everyone is clear I don't believe in donating eggs for another reason. I don't believe in a pre mortal life so all you saying that we need bodies for those souls is not a good reason to donate any eggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiannan Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 ...however there is a lot there that is hard fast rules. rules that do not need to be made public but do need to be followed. i find it ironc how much some ppl like to downplay the importance of advice from the lord's divinly appointed leaders. Okay, guess I just think that the handbook is a general guideline. Sometimes it can be used to contradict prophets (if interpreted wrong which many people do) and so I would not advise using it instead of prayerful investigation of an issue as well as weighing the costs and benefits. ALso, if it were all that important then one could say that it's unfair for us to have something that needs to be followed and not make it available to the general LDS public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Are we getting sidetracked again? Elphaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 yup :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Okay, guess I just think that the handbook is a general guideline. Sometimes it can be used to contradict prophets (if interpreted wrong which many people do) and so I would not advise using it instead of prayerful investigation of an issue as well as weighing the costs and benefits. ALso, if it were all that important then one could say that it's unfair for us to have something that needs to be followed and not make it available to the general LDS public.If I were in this position myself, I would counsel, pray, and fast with my husband. Then together, we would go see the Bishop, who is entitled to receive revelation for those under his stewardship. I wouldn't ask him to consult the Church Handbook of Instructions. I would ask him to consult the Lord and see if He had any counsel for us that we did not receive directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SisterofJared Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Interesting thing about the Handbook. It isn't instruction for the members. It's instruction for the bishop, what he should tell the members IF they come for guidance. It's not like a rule book.... we get those in a temple recommend interview. And while a bishop can be a great blessing, nothing replaces good old personal revelation. Remember what the Lord told the Brother of Jared.... it's obvious that it's important for us to do our own praying, get our own answers. After praying, and making a decision, if you don't feel the confirmation of the Holy Ghost, then perhaps that would be a time to talk to the Bishop. But if we pray and recieve an answer and feel the Holy Ghost confirm it to us, we need to act on that. By the way, momof5, I used to teach seminary.... one of my former students is a dear young woman who has been trying to conceive for a few years now. I would be happy to ask her if she is interested. Having children is the sweetest and most rewarding part of earth life. I hate for anyone to miss it. I think donating these embryo's, or -re-embryos is a wonderful way to give joy to many people. Sister of Jared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SisterofJared Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 See, Elphaba, I tried to get back on subject! LOL! Sister of Jared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Are we getting sidetracked again?Elphaba We are a sidetrackable people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 We are a sidetrackable people.Nonsense! We are nothing of the sort.So I stopped to get ice cream with my wife last night and there were several kids dressed up for homecoming or something, and you would not believe the dresses....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof5 Posted September 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 You all write a lot in just a few days! I thank you all for our input. It does help to get other opinions. So my husband and I went to see our Bishop today because this was something weighing on our minds. He read us out of the handbook that is strictly for stake pres, bishops and gen. authorities. There is nothing about IVF other than saying that using antoher man's sperm is not approved and is disiplinary if you go through with it. We used our own eggs and sperm so that doesn't apply to us. Then he went on and read about sperm donation (not allowed), Surrogacy (not allowed) and abortion (not allowed) after he read about that to us he counciled us on what he thought we should do. He did say that we need to look at donation as a form of surrogacy and NOT adoption. He does have a medical background by the way and said that since a woman naturally gets rid of fertilized eggs on it's own (which is why they implant more than one embryo at a time) that destroying them would be the same as it happening naturally. He also said that no one knows when the spirit enters the body. Then he also said that as far as donation to medical research would be the same as donation of your organs after you die. He said it was a personal decision. My concern with the whole destroying the embryos would be abortion and he assured that it was not. With all of this in mind we have decided to wait and keep them frozen until we are POSITIVE that we don't want any more children. The retrieval process was HORRIBLE! Thanks so much for your comments. They have helped a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightynancy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I'm glad you found a solution that will bring you peace! And best wishes with your pregnancy! :)antoher man's sperm is not approved and is disiplinary if you go through with it. Seriously? Surrogacy (not allowed) Really?Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightynancy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Okay, what happens to a person who chooses to do IVF with donor sperm, feels at peace about it, and never even asks the bishop about reproductive options? Is it a sin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof5 Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 From what I learned today it is. Because you are dealing with the creation of souls. But ONLY if it is not your spouses. They want you to consider adoption. You are completely allowed to do IVF if it is of you and your spouse. Those souls are already here with bodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkerboy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Okay, what happens to a person who chooses to do IVF with donor sperm, feels at peace about it, and never even asks the bishop about reproductive options? Is it a sin? What happens if I rob a bank and don't tell my bishop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona0197 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Donor sperm? So you want to have a kid with someone you do not know? All these technologies should be banned. Who are we to play God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momof5 Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Checkerboy that was funny!!!! HAHAHAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 So what happens to all of the Latter-day Saints who have had IVF with donated sperm but never thought to question it? Are they going to be excommunicated if their bishops find out about it? Elphie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkerboy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that from what I have heard it isn't a sin per se, but it is discouraged. For myself I can imagine why. If my wife could conceive but I couldn't I would be extremely jealous knowing that her DNA was being passed on but mine wasn't. I think maybe that is why the church has taken this stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I realize this is not official, and it may even contain erroneous information. But it does state that IVF with donated sperm not from the husband is discouraged.Medical and ethical issues and Latter-day SaintsElphaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphaba Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Surrogacy (not allowed)I'm not questioning your information at all.I am just wondering why a surrogate cannot be used if the parents' egg and sperm are used, as in a case where the mother cannot carry a child to full term.and abortion (not allowed)Just a clarification: The Church does make exceptions for rape, incest, or the health of the mother.Elphaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona0197 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Just a clarification: The Church does make exceptions for rape, incest, or the health of the mother.Life begins when the egg is fertilized. Abortion is murder. I'm pretty sure it is a sin to kill.God has a plan for everyone period. Edited September 29, 2008 by kona0197 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkerboy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure it is a sin to kill. So every soldier that has ever killed someone is going to hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona0197 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I knew you were going to say that. Killing for your country isn't a sin. Killing the unborn in the name of rape or incest is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Life begins when the egg is fertilized. Abortion is murder. I'm pretty sure it is a sin to kill.God has a plan for everyone period. Are you saying ALL abortion is murder? No matter the circumstances? You wouldn't respond on another thread on the subject...so why bring it up here again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkerboy Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I knew you were going to say that. Killing for your country isn't a sin. Killing the unborn in the name of rape or incest is. Such a finality to your statement. Do you have any proof of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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