Where can I find a list of errors in the Bible?

[nimrod]

1. Where can I find a compilation of all the errors found in the Bible?

2. What are all the scriptures in the Bible that support the doctrine of eternal marriage?

Thanks!

[BenRaines]

Go to your favorite search engine and type in Bible contradictions or bible errors. You will get all kinds of pages.

Ben Raines

[nimrod]

I'm hoping to find an LDS source. Most of the sites I'm finding are ANTI or of some other bent. With some sites, I find poor information that I do not want to have to sift through.

[livy111us]

Here are some contradictions:

John 3:13-No man hath ascended into heaven

2 Kings 2:11-Elijah went up into heaven

Mat. 27:5-7-Judas hung himself.

Acts 1:18-19- Judas fell down and his guts burst asunder.

Gen. 6:6-7 -God repents.

Rom. 11:29--God can’t repent.

Acts 9:7--Men heard a voice but saw no man.

Acts 22:9--Saw a light, but heard no voice.

Exodus 24:9-11--Moses saw the God of Israel.

Deuteronomy 4:12--Moses only heard a voice.

John 3:22--Jesus baptized.

John 4:2--Jesus didn’t baptize.

2 Chron. 22:2--Ahaziah 42 when he began to reign.

2 Kings 8:26--Ahaziah 22 when he began to reign.

James 1:13--God tempts no man.

Gen. 22:1--God tempted Abraham.

1 Chron. 21:1--Satan provokes David to number Israel.

2 Sam. 24:1-- God moved David to number Israel.

Mat. 5:22--Whoever calls his brother a fool is in danger of hellfire.

Luke 24:25--Christ calls Cleopas a fool.

Rom. 3:23--No man is perfect.

Job 1:1--Job is perfect. Luke 1:6--Zacharias and Elizabeth are perfect.

Mat. 1:16--Jacob begat Joseph

Luke 3:23--Heli begat Joseph

Psalms 121:4--The Lord shall not sleep.

Psalm 44:23--The Lord sleeps.

Heb. 7:0--Abraham was Levis great grandfather and was dead before his father was born. How

could he pay tithes to him?

Acts 13:48--Can you gain eternal life and then believe in Christ?

1 John 4:2-3--A spirit of the devil will not testify Christ has come in the flesh.

Mark 1:23-24--Demons testify of Christ.

John 5:20-- God shows Christ all things that He does

Matt. 24:36--No one knows when the second coming of Christ is, not the angels, or Christ

himself, only God.

Psalms 46:1--God is there in times of trouble.

Psalms 10:1--God hides in times of trouble.

Mat. 27:37--This is Jesus the king of the Jews.

Mark 15:26--The king of the Jews.

Luke 23:38--This is the king of the Jews.

John 19:19--Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews.

Matthew 1:1-16--Differing genealogies of Christ

Luke 3:23-38

Proverbs 8:17--Those that seek me early shall find me.

Proverbs 1:28--They shall seek me early, but they shall not find me.

Jer. 17:10--God searches the heart.

Deut. 8:2--God tries to see whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

Isa. 49:15--God will not forget.

Gen. 8:1--God remembers Noah (meaning He must have forgot him)

Num. 12:8--The similitude of the Lord shall he behold

Deut. 4:12--Ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude.

Isa. 14:5--I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me.

Gen. 1:26--And God said, let us make man in our own image.

1 Kings 4:26--Solomon had 40,000 stalls

2 Chron. 9:25--Solomon had 4,000 stalls

John 5:31--If I bear witness of myself my record is not true

John 8:14--Though I bear record of myself my record is true

Acts 7:22-- Moses was mighty in words

Ex. 4:10-- "I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue."

2 Sam. 24:9--800,000 men

1 Chron. 21:5--1,000,000 men

2 Kings 24:8--Jeoiachin was 18 years old when he began his reign and reigned for 3 months

2 Chron. 36:9--Jeoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and reigned 3 months and 10

days.

2 Sam. 8:4--700 horseman

1 Chron. 18:5--7000 horseman

Gen. 6:20, 7:15--Fowls by two

Gen. 7:3--Fowls by sevens

1 Kings 7:26--molten sea contains 2000 baths (a measurement of volume)

2 Chron. 4:5--molten sea contains 3000 baths

Ex. 1:5--All the souls that came out of Jacob were 70 souls

Acts 7:14--75 souls

Gen 50:13--Jacob was buried in a cave in Machpelah's field that was bought from Ephron the

Hittite

Acts 7:15-16--Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor

Ex. 12:14--Passover an eternal covenant, (Gen. 17:13) circumcision an everlasting covenant

Acts 15:1-11--no longer necessary

Mat. 10:23--One translation states "you will not finish your work in all the towns of Israel before

the Son of Man comes"

Mat. 24:14--Gospel is to be preached to all the world before the end would come.

Mat. 24:14--Jesus prophesied that after the Gospel was preached "in all the world" "the end

would come"

Col. 1:23--Paul said that the "gospel...was preached to every creature which is under heaven"

Ex 12:40--The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 430 years.

Acts 7:6--The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 400 years.

Num 25:9--God's plague kills 24,000

1 Cor 10:8--God's plague kills 23,000

Solomon's reign.

Acts 13:16-22 numbers the years from when the Hebrews left Egypt to David beginning his reign

as 40 (Wilderness) + 450 (Judges) + 40 (Saul) = 530 years. According to 1 Chron 29:27, David

reigned 40 years, so Solomon became king (when David died) 530 + 40 years (of David's reign)

= 570 years. However, 1 Kings 6:1 states Solomon's 4th year of rule (when he began the Temple

building) was 480 years after the Hebrews left Egypt, ie. he began his rule 476 years after the

Hebrews left. Therefore there is a contradiction of (570 - 476) 94 years.

1 Sam 28:6--Saul inquired of God, but God did not answer him

1 Chron 10:13,14--Saul died because he did not seek guidance from God

[gaspah]

i came across a few things when investigating.. from wikipedia. I find wiki to be 'reasonably' unbiased.

Historicity

Main article: Historicity of the Book of Mormon

See also: Archaeology and the Book of Mormon, Linguistics and the Book of Mormon, Origin of the Book of Mormon, and Book of Mormon anachronisms for detailed discussion and references

Most adherents of the LDS movement consider the Book of Mormon to be a historically accurate account, although unresolved issues of the book's historicity and the lack of supporting archaeological evidence have led some adherents to adopt the position that the Book of Mormon, though inspired, may not be a literal historical record.[30] Most scientists and historians outside the LDS movement do not consider it accurate, and the majority opinion[citation needed] is that it is contradicted by scientific and archaeological research, virtually all of which has been conducted since the book's publication. The following are the principal areas where historical and scientific criticism are focused:

* The lack of correlation between locations described in the Book of Mormon and American archaeological sites.[81]

* References to animals, plants, metals and technologies in the Book of Mormon that did not exist in pre-Columbian America,[82] including cattle[83], horses,[84] asses,[84], oxen,[84] sheep, swine, goats[85], elephants, wheat, grapes,[86] silk,[87] steel,[88] brass, breast plates, chains, iron, mining ore, scimitars, and chariots[89].[90]

* The lack of linguistic connection between any Native American language or language family and Near Eastern languages.[91]

* The lack of DNA evidence linking any Native American group to the ancient Near East. [92]

source = Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

main article = Historicity of the Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edited January 10, 2009 by gaspah

[livy111us]

Here are some articles to read as well:

Biblical inerrancy - FAIRMormon

Biblical completeness - FAIRMormon

Textual criticism - FAIRMormon

[Traveler]

1. Where can I find a compilation of all the errors found in the Bible?

2. What are all the scriptures in the Bible that support the doctrine of eternal marriage?

Thanks!

I do not know that there is a list but I will summarize some problems.

1. There are many (thousands of) ancient scripture texts no two of which are the same.

2. The ancient texts are divided into versions or families of texts. Within each version of texts there are thousands of variant readings – this is where scholars have determined that there is more than one proper translation or interpretation of a given passage of text.

3. All of the ancient libraries of biblical texts contain multiple versions of the same books. For example, the Dead Sea Scrolls contained at least two versions of all the Old Testament books. Many of the books of scripture had over 5 versions all of which were equally consider sacred scripture.

4. We know that there are several books of scripture that are missing from the list of sacred text that are included in the Bible from references within the books of the Bible that are included.

The Traveler

[Palerider]

i came across a few things when investigating.. from wikipedia. I find wiki to be 'reasonably' unbiased.

source = Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

main article = Historicity of the Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

since you like to read.......Answers About Mormons and Mormon Belief (LDS FAQ - Latter-day Saints)

[Hemidakota]

1. Where can I find a compilation of all the errors found in the Bible?

Thanks!

You can purchase Joseph Smith Bible from Deseret Books...it is nothing more than a compilation of Bible errors or missing verbiage.

[gaspah]

Here are some articles to read as well:

Biblical inerrancy - FAIRMormon

Biblical completeness - FAIRMormon

Textual criticism - FAIRMormon

I just spent a few hours reading through various subjects on this site. But it did not please me, it felt like I was being led to agree with an opinion rather than given evidence for me to evaluate subjectively.

particularly in this article Archaeology and the Bible - FAIRMormon I found that most criticism was walked around, and only addressed narrow specific parts of criticism. Whereas, the quarry of the retort to the criticism involved asking the reader questions, the writers thought processes involved in refuting such claims, but nothing solid.

Reading those articles on fairmormon, almost had me questioning faith unlike when I was presented with factual information, devoid of opinion. However, this was easily overcome with the realization the website had no connection to Prophets, either current or from the past. I just found it upsetting to think that a portion at least of the LDS faith need to reject factual historical information in order to still have faith that the Book of Mormon is indeed scripture and that the Prophet Joseph Smith Jnr was able to translate it through the power given to him of God.

since you like to read.......Answers About Mormons and Mormon Belief (LDS FAQ - Latter-day Saints)

I shall have a read, thankyou :)

Edited January 10, 2009 by gaspah

[Dr T]

I do not know that there is a list but I will summarize some problems.

1. There are many (thousands of) ancient scripture texts no two of which are the same.

2. The ancient texts are divided into versions or families of texts. Within each version of texts there are thousands of variant readings – this is where scholars have determined that there is more than one proper translation or interpretation of a given passage of text.

3. All of the ancient libraries of biblical texts contain multiple versions of the same books. For example, the Dead Sea Scrolls contained at least two versions of all the Old Testament books. Many of the books of scripture had over 5 versions all of which were equally consider sacred scripture.

4. We know that there are several books of scripture that are missing from the list of sacred text that are included in the Bible from references within the books of the Bible that are included.

The Traveler

Just number one Traveler. That is SO not true. Have u not read any of the work that has been done about the ancient texts that do exist today and that they are like 99.9% accurate and the same. We have many many more text than we have of Homor's works yet people accept those are they way they were written yet you claim there are no two a like. Scholars such as F.F. Bruce, and others can show u where your claims are false. If u want to read them :) Good luck in your search.

[gaspah]

AMAZING! I'm reading this article on jefflindsay.com and it's VERY POWERFUL, something I can really understand and sink my teeth into.

Thanks again Palerider, I suspect I'll be reading a lot more from this website, it's truly amazing :)

Mormon Prophets, Called of God but Fallible: Why the Church of Jesus Christ Is and Can Be True even though Church Leaders and Other Mormons Make Mistakes

I LOL'd so hard

After all, how would you feel if your parents were former residents of a nudist colony--and were even kicked out for shoplifting fruit? Sure, Cain had his reasons for rebellion and violence, though he probably couldn't whine about how much cooler other kids' parents were.

Edited January 10, 2009 by gaspah

[prisonchaplain]

I continue to question how attempts to undermine confidence in the Holy Bible, one of the Sacred Works in LDS canon, bolsters the cause of the church.

[Dr T]

Simple PC, undermine the Bible and put in its place another.

[gaspah]

but isn't the bible the basis for the gospel?

[Dr T]

"As far as it is correctly translated" or so I've heard.

[gaspah]

lol, yeah, I might have heard that one too!!

[ruthiechan]

Here are some contradictions:

I felt impressed to address a few of these. I may come back later and do some more.

Gen. 6:6-7 -God repents.

Rom. 11:29--God can’t repent.

Gen. 6 And it repented the Lord. . .

The Heb. root means ‘to be sorry,’ ‘moved to pity,’ ‘have compassion.’

In Genesis they are not talking about repentance. I suspect the Hebrew word for these two concepts are very similar in sound and spelling but are in actuality rather different, like our sense and since.

James 1:13--God tempts no man.

Gen. 22:1--God tempted Abraham.

In the footnotes under tempt in Genesis it says that the Hebrew word was for Test, or Prove, which is not the same as tempting someone to do evil, and it's only a temptation if it's something you would want to do if you let your carnal self take over.

Rom. 3:23--No man is perfect.

Job 1:1--Job is perfect. Luke 1:6--Zacharias and Elizabeth are perfect.

No man is perfect on his own merits. We can become perfect in Christ, however rare, while still living on this Earth.

Heb. 7:0--Abraham was Levis great grandfather and was dead before his father was born. How

could he pay tithes to him?

The scripture you refer to actually reads: 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

So he was not paying tithes TO Abraham, he was paying tithes IN Abraham, basically paying tithes in the name of Abraham as way of honoring his deceased father.

Acts 13:48--Can you gain eternal life and then believe in Christ?

Nope, bad translation. It should be "and as many as believed were ordained unto eternal life." So either the translator accidentally got it backwards, or the author failed at proper grammar, or it could be perfect grammar in Hebrew for all I know, but bad for us because hey we speak English, we order things differently.

1 John 4:2-3--A spirit of the devil will not testify Christ has come in the flesh.

Mark 1:23-24--Demons testify of Christ.

The definition of testify is as follows:

1 a: to make a statement based on personal knowledge or belief : bear witness b: to serve as evidence or proof

2: to express a personal conviction

3: to make a solemn declaration under oath for the purpose of establishing a fact (as in a court)

transitive verb

1 a: to bear witness to : attest b: to serve as evidence of : prove

2archaic a: to make known (a personal conviction) b: to give evidence of : show

3: to declare under oath before a tribunal or officially constituted public body

The Demon talked of in Mark did NOT testify of Christ. He acknowledged Christ to Christ's face because only Christ could force him to leave the man's body since he had the Priesthood authority to do so. But that's not testifying to anyone of the Savior. So, no contradiction there.

John 5:20-- God shows Christ all things that He does

Matt. 24:36--No one knows when the second coming of Christ is, not the angels, or Christ

himself, only God.

Seeing what he does, present tense, is different than seeing what he WILL do. And maybe the second coming was seen but just because you saw does not mean you'll know the when of it.

Psalms 46:1--God is there in times of trouble.

Psalms 10:1--God hides in times of trouble.

Psalms 121:4--The Lord shall not sleep.

Psalm 44:23--The Lord sleeps.

Psalms are basically poetry, and reflect how the author is feeling. So I have no issue with any supposed contradictions within them.

Mat. 27:37--This is Jesus the king of the Jews.

Mark 15:26--The king of the Jews.

Luke 23:38--This is the king of the Jews.

John 19:19--Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews.

How is this a contradiction?

Proverbs 8:17--Those that seek me early shall find me.

Proverbs 1:28--They shall seek me early, but they shall not find me.

And the last shall be first and the first shall be last.

Isa. 14:5--I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me.

Gen. 1:26--And God said, let us make man in our own image.

Mayhaps he is simply saying that there is no other Savior besides Him?

Acts 7:22-- Moses was mighty in words

Ex. 4:10-- "I am slow of speech and of a slow tongue."

I trip over my own words at times. I'm not super slow, but sometimes man, I know my brain just isn't working right. HOWEVER, whenever I have the Spirit of God in me and I have to deliver a message from our Father in Heaven to the people gathered before me (talks, music time, testimony), I AM MIGHTY IN WORDS. Once the message is delivered I go back to the typical tripping over of words.

So, no contradiction there.

Besides, do the scriptures not tell us how weak things are made strong?

[enter all the ones with numbers such as these]

Ex. 1:5--All the souls that came out of Jacob were 70 souls

Acts 7:14--75 souls

I'm not too worried about numbers. It's easy to misremember a number or to miscount.

EDIT: I often think that many supposed contradictions are simply a lack of understanding of what is being read. Yeah, there are errors and there are things that just bug, but at the same time if you are reading the scriptures with the Spirit many contradictions go away, only to be filled with understanding.

[JohnnyRudick]

If I may, I would like to add my 2 cents as I have time.

Many of the so-called errors that we like to point to can be cleared up with a little study.

How many of us have read the Bible through several times?

As we read the errors we thought we found in the past get cleared up and we say WOW! Why did I not see that earlier?

I will in the future go through some of the so called errors pointed out. Some have problems and there are, don't let me be misunderstood. But what we call "errors" are most of the time very superficial and a misunderstanding of the time and viewpoint of the writer. What he knew and perceived at the time of his writing, Remember even many of the writing of Moses is a restoration of the lost writings of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Joseph, etc. Knowledge is lost and restored throughout history and perspectives change.

This dispensation has accounts that differ from the accounts given in the transitional dispensation of the Original 12 and even in the Dispensations of Adam and Moses.

Errors? Not as many as you think if you study and "Rightly Divide" the Scripture.

2 Timothy 2:15

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a

workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word

of truth."

Later;-)

Bro. Rudick

[JohnnyRudick]

If I may, I would like to add my 2 cents as I have time.

Many of the so-called errors that we like to point to can be cleared up with a little study.

How many of us have read the Bible through several times?

As we read the errors we thought we found in the past get cleared up and we say WOW! Why did I not see that earlier?

I will in the future go through some of the so called errors pointed out. Some have problems and there are, don't let me be misunderstood. But what we call "errors" are most of the time very superficial and a misunderstanding of the time and viewpoint of the writer. What he knew and perceived at the time of his writing, Remember even many of the writing of Moses is a restoration of the lost writings of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Joseph, etc. Knowledge is lost and restored throughout history and perspectives change.

This dispensation has accounts that differ from the accounts given in the transitional dispensation of the Original 12 and even in the Dispensations of Adam and Moses.

Errors? Not as many as you think if you study and "Rightly Divide" the Scripture.

2 Timothy 2:15

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a

workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word

of truth."

Later;-)

Bro. Rudick

[Hemidakota]

Simple PC, undermine the Bible and put in its place another.

What is the purpose of both books?

[Hemidakota]

"As far as it is correctly translated" or so I've heard.

Who did the translation? I wasn't aware among the apostates and pagans among several councils, there was a living prophet or seer to ensure proper translation. Unless you can provide a rational answer to clearing up on what to choose to be canonized among thousands of captured scrolls, whom to translated the written scrolls with appropriate authority, the Christendom will be at odds with each other until the Savior returns and makes the correction.

[Dr T]

Good point. Ok, start with the basis that there are tranmissional errors. How do we know that? There are texutal criticism. Type of transmissional errors like "haplography" which is when something was written once when it should have been written twice. e.g., "occurence" instead of "occurrence" the "r" has been written just once and that can change the meaning. There are others like "Dittography", "Metathesis", "Fusion", "Fission" etc. Each of these errors (and others) are all considered and addressed for a competent textual correction. There is no need for "proper authority" of a living prophet or seer but a step by step ordering of available texts to see what was there.

[Hemidakota]

I do believe there is a need. I do remember the Savior upon visitation of a culture would ask for the record and make corrections of such. This will happen when the Kingdom of God is restored. All fields of study, including history will be rewritten to make a full account.

Dr T, what is your understanding of the term Seer? Let me add though, a Seer is greater than a Prophet.

[BenRaines]

PC, I don't know of anything the LDS church puts out to point out errors in the Bible. They are not in the business of tearing down other churches. From all I have read, put out by the LDS Church is in support of a belief in Jesus Christ and his redeeming love.

Members of the church might publish a book or create a website but that should not be construed as the Church.

As far as I know we do proclaim that the Bible is the word of God, the Book of Mormon is a second witness of Jesus Christ, out of the mouth of two or more is witness given. Doctrine and Covenants are revelations given to Joseph Smith and other prophets since restoration.

Ben Raines