Dr T Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I watched an MSN video about a woman that was fined 2 million dollars for downloading 24 songs off of Kazzaa. I guess she down loaded more but in the case that went to court it was for 24 songs. It turned out to be about 80,000 each song. What do you all think of that? $0.99 is much more affordable imo... Quote
pam Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I read that article a couple of days ago and thought...What the ????? I thought it was a ridiculous fine for 24 songs. Quote
Dr T Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 I hear u Pammy. That sure is a lot of money. Then again it is a Federal offense and there are all kinds of fines that can go along with that so it could have been what? $250,000 each song. I don't think she has it and I wonder how much she will actually pay out for those fines. I wonder... Quote
pam Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I used to download from kazaa..but there's a lot of nasty stuff on that site so I blocked it from my computer. Quote
Dr T Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 I've never tried it but have always heard that it puts a lot of viruses on computers. Did they ever do that to yours Pammy? Quote
pam Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Never to mine though I have known a couple of people that did have that problem with the site. Quote
Moksha Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 If the RIAA did not scrape every penny out of listeners, how would the American cocaine industry survive? Not to mention the bling! Quote
talisyn Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 lol Moksha,I think what the judge did was completely reprehensible. It was like either he wanted to punish her for all sins of all pirates or he wanted an insane amount that would influence the next judge to overturn the judgement.And Limewire is another program that is never allowed on my computer. Quote
john doe Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Now the RIAA wants to scrap that idea and instead have ISPs shut off access to the internet for those who download. The plan is to have the ISP send a 'strongly worded letter', and if that doesn't stop someone, they will shut off your internet access. All this without due process, they want to bypass the legal system entirely. I can't see how they can legally do that, but that is their next plan. Personally, I don't download anymore although I will admit I used to. The fact is, downloaded songs generally sound crappy and lots of times are either not what they claim to be or are not complete. Quote
talisyn Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Sounds like it's time for a musical tea party Quote
Hemidakota Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I wonder how much fines will be imposed for Limewire pirates? :) Quote
hordak Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 While the fines do seem pretty steep, to make an example no doubt, but the fact is she stole, got caught and convicted. Quote
DigitalShadow Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 While the fines do seem pretty steep, to make an example no doubt, but the fact is she stole, got caught and convicted.Yes, she broke the law, but shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? Should a kid spend life in prison for stealing a pack of gum? I think the real crime here is that the RIAA is allowed to destroy people's lives for relatively minor transgressions that didn't hurt anyone. Quote
john doe Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 The thing is, the artists, whom the RIAA claims to represent, have not received one dime of royalties for any of this legal mess RIAA has created. Plus, I've never heard of any band going out of business or losing popularity as a result of file sharing. If anything, downloading their songs makes them more popular and makes people want to go out and buy their music so they can get it in good quality. If anybody is losing money it's because their music stinks anyway. Quote
Dr T Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 Sounds like it's time for a musical tea party ahahahaha, I can see it how. Let's all get together with our CD's and throw them all into the ocean Quote
Guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 You can justify it however way you want but it is still stealing. It amazes me how kids do not even realize that anymore. Like, everybody is doing it, why shouldn't I? One site shuts down and there's a mad dash to find another one. Geez... go buy the song. If you can't afford it, then wait until you can! This culture is being built where parents are even in on it! I do agree the fine is a bit harsh. It should be treated the same way as a shoplifter. Quote
Dr T Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 Sure, the artist's make money on sold music but I think they get their most money from the concerts (but I'm not sure)... Quote
hordak Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Yes, she broke the law, but shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? Should a kid spend life in prison for stealing a pack of gum? I think the real crime here is that the RIAA is allowed to destroy people's lives for relatively minor transgressions that didn't hurt anyone.I agree it does seem excessive but Punishment is not meant to fit the crime but to deter the crime. Quote
NeuroTypical Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) Here are details of the case.The original judgement was for $9k per song, total of $222K. She had shared 1702 songs, but charged only for 24. She had ignored a cease-and-desist letter.I have little patience or sympathy for people who break the law, and refuse to stop breaking the law, and then whine and cry when a big ten ton CONSEQUENSE of their actions falls out of the sky and flattens them. but yeah, $1.92 million really is overboard. That's not justice. Justice involves restoring the harmed party to it's former state, and punishing the bad guy so they feel it. I can see the original judgement. Heck, I could even see a tenth of the original judgement. I could see a week in jail and a month of community service and a $5000 fine. $1.92 million is stupid.LM Edited June 22, 2009 by Loudmouth_Mormon Quote
DigitalShadow Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I agree it does seem excessive but Punishment is not meant to fit the crime but to deter the crime.By that reasoning, why not make all crimes punishable by life imprisonment or a 5 billion dollar fine? In my opinion, some crimes are more damaging to society than others and so they should carry different consequences depending on the severity of the crime. Quote
Dravin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) Now the RIAA wants to scrap that idea and instead have ISPs shut off access to the internet for those who download. The plan is to have the ISP send a 'strongly worded letter', and if that doesn't stop someone, they will shut off your internet access. All this without due process, they want to bypass the legal system entirely. I can't see how they can legally do that, but that is their next plan. Personally, I don't download anymore although I will admit I used to. The fact is, downloaded songs generally sound crappy and lots of times are either not what they claim to be or are not complete.Most ISP have something in the terms of service against illegal activities and the like, all the RIAA has to do is, first convince the ISP to care, demonstrate that their terms of service have been violated, poof you just violated the contract and its now null and void, no internet for you.Edit: RIAA's New Piracy Plan Poses a New Set of Problems - PC World This article talks about it and mentions they have some major ISPs on board. I'd don't quite see what the ISPs are gaining out of this by losing customers unless they are figuring that the fear of losing service will deter pirating in general and cut down on bandwidth usage. Edited June 22, 2009 by Dravin Quote
hordak Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 By that reasoning, why not make all crimes punishable by life imprisonment or a 5 billion dollar fine? In my opinion, some crimes are more damaging to society than others and so they should carry different consequences depending on the severity of the crime.No. Obviously not. And i agree this crime isn't as damaging as many, but they need to find a way to stop it. I think they should treat it like other crimes, drunk drivers, lose cars,and the right to drive, burglars lose their "tools." I say take her computer and kick her of the internet for a year or 2 Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 The irony is that these music pirates are getting heavier fines than the real pirates off Africa, who are mostly being returned to shore and turned loose. Quote
Guest TheLutheran Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 According to the account in our local newspaper, the RIAA offered to settle this case early on for between $3,000 and $5,000. Quote
talisyn Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Which goes to show just how powerful the music industry is compared to the political world Quote
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