Day and Hour, we will know

[TheAngelPalmoni]

Sermon delivered at the General Conference of the Church at Nauvoo, Ill. on Saturday April 6, 1843 (afternoon)

Joseph Smith,

Lord Will Tell His Prophets When 2nd Coming to Take Place

Remarks on the comeing of the Son of Man by Joseph Smith the Prophet. 3 Made in Nauvoo Christ says no man knoweth the day or the hour when the Son of Man cometh. This is a sweeping argument for sectarianism against Latter day ism. Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations Oh no he spoke in the present tense no man that was then liveing upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour But he did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture for the prophet says that God will do nothing but what he will reveal unto his Servants the prophets consequently if it is not made known to the Prophets it will not come to pass;

So if this is true... Should be interesting when Pres Monson tells us we have X amount of time until the Est of New Jerusalem and then X amount of time until the Second Coming!

*edit* Links to personal websites must be in signature.

~Angel Palmoni~

Edited November 21, 2010 by pam

[pam]

I've always understood that even the Prophets won't know the exact time and day. We have signs leading up to it..but I could be wrong.

[Justinator1]

My understanding has always been that, yes the current prophet will be told, but that does not mean he will then be told to pass this information to the church as a whole. Why not? you may ask. I think, and this is pure speculation, that it is part of the winnowing of the wheat and tares, the prepared and unprepared (a la the 10 virgins). On top of that could you imagine what the world would do with such information in our current technological, information age?

No, I see it more as those who need to know being advised, while those who are close to the spirit will have sufficient warning to protect themselves and those under their authority,

[MrsAri]

Prior to Obama's "election", I noticed a difference in the demeanor of our prophets at General Conference. I was very interested in the things that President Monson had to say, specifically.

[Hemidakota]

Sermon delivered at the General Conference of the Church at Nauvoo, Ill. on Saturday April 6, 1843 (afternoon)

Joseph Smith,

Lord Will Tell His Prophets When 2nd Coming to Take Place

Remarks on the comeing of the Son of Man by Joseph Smith the Prophet. 3 Made in Nauvoo Christ says no man knoweth the day or the hour when the Son of Man cometh. This is a sweeping argument for sectarianism against Latter day ism. Did Christ speak this as a general principle throughout all generations Oh no he spoke in the present tense no man that was then liveing upon the footstool of God knew the day or the hour But he did not say that there was no man throughout all generations that should not know the day or the hour. No for this would be in flat contradiction with other scripture for the prophet says that God will do nothing but what he will reveal unto his Servants the prophets consequently if it is not made known to the Prophets it will not come to pass;

So if this is true... Should be interesting when Pres Monson tells us we have X amount of time until the Est of New Jerusalem and then X amount of time until the Second Coming!

www.angelpalmoni.com

~Angel Palmoni~

Here is what was given to the Prophet Joseph Smith -

The Prophet on the Second Coming of the Christ, April 6, 1843 (DHC 5:336-337)

The question has been asked, can a person not belonging to the Church bring a member before the high council for trial? I answer, No. If I had not actually got into this work and been called of God, I would back out. But I cannot back out: I have no doubt of the truth. Were I going to prophesy, I would say the end [of the world] would not come in 1844, 5, or 6, or in forty years. There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes.

I was once praying earnestly upon this subject, and a voice said unto me, "My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man." I was left to draw my own conclusions concerning this; and I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live to that time, He would make His appearance. But I do not say whether He will make his appearance or I shall go where He is. I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written-the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-fifty years old. Then read the 14th chapter of Revelation, 6th and 7th verses-"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come." And Hosea, 6th chapter, After two days, etc.,-2,520 years; which brings it to 1890. The coming of the Son of Man never will be-never can be till the judgments spoken of for this hour are poured out: which judgments are commenced. Paul says, "Ye are the children of the light, and not of the darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief in the night." It is not the design of the Almighty to come upon the earth and crush it and grind it to powder, but he will reveal it to His servants the prophets.

Judah must return, Jerusalem must be rebuilt, and the temple, and water come out from under the temple, and the waters of the Dead Sea be healed. It will take some time to rebuild the walls of the city and the temple, &c.; and all this must be done before the Son of Man will make His appearance. There will be wars and rumors of wars, signs in the heavens above and on the earth beneath, the sun turned into darkness and the moon to blood, earthquakes in divers places, the seas heaving beyond their bounds; then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They will say it is a planet, a comet, &c. But the Son of Man will come as the sign of the coming of the Son of Man, which will be as the light of the morning cometh out of the east.

[Dr T]

I don't think they will know until it happens.

[MrsAri]

It's a good thing that Joseph Smith is dead, or you could be violating copyright laws. lolol

Sorry, I couldn't resist...the devil made me do it. Bwahahahaha

[lilered]

Me Too.

[Hemidakota]

It's a good thing that Joseph Smith is dead, or you could be violating copyright laws. lolol

Sorry, I couldn't resist...the devil made me do it. Bwahahahaha

I highly doubt Joseph would mine...

[Traveler]

Anciently in Israel they celebrated the New Year with a religious feast. The ancient Jewish New Year began following the first Sabbath that followed the first new moon following the vernal equinox. When all the signs of the New Year had been given two expert witnesses would testify before a “judge in Israel” that they had seen that the signs had been manifested in the heavens. When the judge had heard the testimonies they would rule that the time had come and messengers would be sent through Israel that would light a fire on hills to tell the people of the New Year who would be looking for the lit fires as the sign to begin the New Year feast at sunrise.

This tradition was well known in Israel. It is important to note all the signs that must precede the New Year feast. If a traveler was in Israel were to ask when the feast would take place – rather than explain all the signs it was very common to say – “No man knows the hour or the day”. This also indicated that the signs must be shown in the heavens, which was believed to be under the complete control of G-d.

Please understand that the statement “No man knows the hour or the day” was not literal. There were “wise men” in Israel that understood enough Astronomy and had access to “observatories” that knew and observed astronomical “signs” that could accurately predict when the sign would take place from other signs known to them.

When the time drew near for the New Year and storm clouds prevented seeing the heavens then the saying was, “No man knows the hour or the day, not even the angles of heaven but G-d only.” Again this saying did not have a literal meaning. It just meant that the signs could not be seen and so experts could not give sure and absolute witness until the time had come. It is also important to note that a favorite “prank” of the time was to fake the witnesses and exaggerate the testimonies so that the unwary would jump the gun and celebrate early or miss the New Year in the confusion

Jesus made reference to all this in talking about the last days. Many modern day followers of Jesus do not understand this ancient Jewish custom and pranks and can easily be mislead by their “zealous” interpretation of scripture. I believe Jesus is making a carful remark to his followers of his day to not be misguided by rumors but to listen carefully to the experts (prophets) and judges of Israel.

I can promise that when two prophets are killed on the streets of Jerusalem that I (and many others) will accurately know both the hour and the day the Jesus will return. We will know this before he returns. But I also caution that we be most careful and not deceived or confused by rumors or the witness of false experts.

The Traveler

Edited September 14, 2009 by Traveler

[bytebear]

I think the prophet will know the time and day. But he will know only at that time and day when Jesus comes suddenly to his Temple and says, "Now!"

[pam]

Very well explained Traveler. Thank you.

[Hemidakota]

No different when the Lord explained in the scriptures stating His usual, "A Warning to the World." In this manner the Savior, through the ages, has cried with a warning voice, from his prophets, to the inhabitants of the earth dwelling in this present generation. Looking in the contents of Isaiah who stated that because of the rebellion of the people in the last days—

The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.—Isaiah 24:3-6

In January 1831, a commandment came to the members of the Church:

"But, verily I say unto you that in time ye shall have no king nor ruler, for I will be your king and watch over you." This will be when he descends in the clouds of heaven in power and glory. Let all people know that the parable of the fig tree is being fulfilled today. The tree puts forth its leaves and the summer is nigh. We are told that when we see these things we may know that in this generation, when these things take place, all that has been said concerning the coming of Christ will be fulfilled. "Verily, I say unto you, this generation, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled. Although the days will come, that heaven and earth shall pass away; yet my words shall not pass away, but all shall be fulfilled."—P. of G. P. pp. 44-45.

Even the plainness of the message given, all the warnings that have been passed, which has come to the few who listen to the promptings of the Spirit, the world will go on about its business in paying little heed, until that day shall be upon them. Then shall there be great wailing as there was at the destruction among the Nephites and at the crucifixion of our Savior.

It was told before - "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark.

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

[Hemidakota]

In order for the Lord to bring forth the full-weight of His hands on the world, or allow His four henchmen [Destroying Angels] to bring forth the final calamities, Joseph Smith received this revelation (D&C 112:24-26):

24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26. First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

(Revelation for Thomas B. Marsh concerning the Twelve Apostles; received on the day on which the gospel was first preached in England, July 23, 1837)

[TheAngelPalmoni]

It is interesting that everyone seems to feel this way. I think that even if the scriptures tell us the exact year of the of the establishment of the new Jerusalem, or the exact year of Christ coming to the temple, or even the exact year of the millenium, no one, especially the LDS would even take a second glance at it.

http://www.angelpalmoni.com/AngelPalmoni/View_The_Scrolls/Pages/PALMONI_files/Media/Scroll%2003%20full-1/Scroll%2003%20full-1.jpg?disposition=download

Scripture by Scripture,

Angel Palmoni

[Guest Alana]

Ok so I've never admitted this to anyone, and I know it's pretty silly, but I always put extra effort into shaping up in early April.

[MrsAri]

Ok so I've never admitted this to anyone, and I know it's pretty silly, but I always put extra effort into shaping up in early April.

Spring cleaning? lol

[Still_Small_Voice]

Joseph Smith Matthew 1:26 reads:

"For as the light of the morning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be."

Signs of the Times

Condensed from: Mormon Doctrine, Bruce R. McConkie

At that day "the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together." (Isaiah 40:5) They

will recognize the signs as certainly as a woman in travail foreknows the approximate time of her child's

birth. (Thess.5: 1-6) The "signs of the times" are the marvelous events, which identify the dispensation of

the fullness of times and immediately precede the Second Coming of Christ. They include:

(Signs 1 thru 7 have to do with the restoration of the gospel)

8. Persecution of Jews - Jews to begin to believe in Christ

Persecution of the Jews throughout the ages is common knowledge. What many do not realize is the

number of Jews joining the church today, and the many more Jews that have begun to accept Christ at

least as a great rabbi or teacher. Not until Christ appears to the Jews on the Mount of Olive and shows

them the wounds in His hands and feet will the Jews as a whole come to recognize Jesus Christ as their

Savior.

9. Gathering of Israel - as a people and to Jerusalem

Moses conferred the keys for the gathering of Israel upon Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on

April 3, 1836 in the Kirtland Temple and the gathering has escalated from that time to the present.

Israel, the nation has now been established, the Jews are gathering there and are bringing back

their people from where they have been scattered, including places in Russia and Africa.

10.Return of Ten Tribes

As we realize that the tribe of Ephraim is one of the ten tribes we recognize that a great gathering to

Zion is already underway. The complete fulfillment of this prophecy will happen after the

Second Coming, during the millennium according to Bruce R. McConkie's Millennial Messiah. The

lost tribes of Israel reside in countries north of the Holy Land, and not until the millennium will their

time fully come to be converted. At that time will scriptures be found as a record of their people,

and they will have prophets who preach to them. It will all be under the direction of Christ for it will

be in the time that he reigns personally upon the earth that the final fulfillment will come. It is

interesting to note that the largest and most populated country that the church is not established in

is China.

11.Building of Temples

The purpose of the Lord is to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man". Temples are

the place that necessary ordinances are performed allowing this to take place. Temples are being

built in the far corners of the earth, that people everywhere can enjoy the blessings of the temple.

The temples that are being built are of the finest, longest lasting materials. They are literally being

built to last a lifetime.

12.Lord to come suddenly to His Temple

This prophecy was fulfilled, at least in part by his return to the Kirtland Temple on April 3, 1836. It

can be assumed he has appeared in other temples as well, and will yet come down to those places

upon the earth built for him. In particular, prophecy seems to predict an appearance at a temple

built in Jackson County, Missouri.

13.Spirit of Elijah - genealogical research

The fulfillment of this sign is well documented. Genealogical research is abounding within the

church and the world in general.

14.Gospel to be preached to all the world

This well-known prophecy is all but accomplished, and continues to gather speed as it rolls

forth. Many countries where the church is not yet organized have service missionaries and the

brethren are constantly establishing diplomatic relations. During the millennium all people will have

the opportunity to hear the gospel message.

15.Lamanites to blossom as a rose

Fulfilled as the church has grown in Central and South America. The work began with American

missionaries by the hundreds and then thousands being sent there 20 to 40 years ago, until the

present time in which they have progressed to largely having their mission force filled from within.

16.Knowledge to increase among man, while lack of wisdom abounds

The printing press might be considered one of the few inventions before the time of Joseph Smith.

Certainly as we have discussed, it was necessary for the establishment of the church. In the years

since the church was established scientific discovery has progressed at a pace that is hard for us to

comprehend or keep up with. As we contemplate these discoveries it is plain to see that many of them

are helping to forward the work of God.

At the same time, the population as a whole has turned away from God, putting value in their own

knowledge, ignoring the wisdom of God.

17.Disease, plaques and pestilence sweep the earth

In D&C 45:31-32 We read: "They shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall

cover the land. But my disciples (followers) shall stand in holy places, and shall not be moved; but

among the wicked, men shall lift up their voices and curse God and die." How well this describes

people in our day who practice great immoralities, then raise their voices in defense of their

wickedness. Tremendous resources are spent fighting the diseases of immorality, and in politicking

for their rights to practice it. Homosexuality, infidelity, drug abuse and their related diseases,

abortion, alcoholism, poverty and homelessness, gangs and violence. These could all be

considered plaques and pestilence the Lord has sent as a judgement and a sign of the last days. If

we gather to Zion and stand in holy places we can find a measure of protection. There are

however, many innocent victims to these plaques as well. We must recognize that it is not for us to

judge or condemn, but to show compassion and comfort those who are in need of comfort.

18.Famines, disasters and calamities abound

We need only look at today’s headlines to see that this prophecy is being fulfilled. Scientists are

startled by a many fold increase in earthquakes each decade of the last century.

19.Wickedness increases - spirit of God ceases to dwell in men

This too is apparent in the headlines of today. Murder, rape, robbery, lying, cheating, stealing, are

all crimes to get gain or pleasure. Our country, founded on religious principle has become more of

a Godless society that legalizes sin while limiting the recognition of God and the practice of prayer

and other religious traditions.

20.Lord begins to pour out judgements

On June 24, 1894, over a hundred years ago, President Wilford Woodruff stated: "God has held

the angels of destruction for many years, lest they should reap down the wheat with the tares. But I

want to tell you now, that those angels have left the portals of heaven, and they stand over this

people and this nation now, and are hovering over the earth waiting to pour out the judgements.

And from this very day they shall be poured out. Calamities and troubles are increasing in the

earth, and there is a meaning to these things... Great changes are at our doors. The next 20 years

will see mighty changes among the nations of the Earth." It is interesting to note that almost to the

day, 20 years later, the Archduke of Austria was assassinated, thus initiating the First World War.

21.War and rumors of wars cover the earth

From then until the present have wars covered the earth like a plaque. Weapons of mass

destruction, while somewhat reduced from decades ago, exist in sufficient number to destroy the

earth many times over.

22.People apostatize from true worship and follow false doctrines

True worship of God the Father, his Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost ceased to exist only

a few hundred years after the crucifixion until truth was restored by Joseph Smith's vision. Most

churches today worship a God without body, parts or passions. Worship of symbols, saints, power

or possessions abound, and men no longer believe that God speaks to man. Many religions still

believe that Christ will come again, but refuse to see the signs of the times. Perhaps we are

somewhat guilty of this also.

24.The sun darkened, the moon turned to blood

President Joseph Fielding Smith, as quoted in July '71 Ensign "Thus, the work of the Lord is

advancing and all these things are signs of the near approach of our Lord. The words of the

prophets are rapidly being fulfilled, but it is done on such natural principles that most of us fail to

see it. Wonders in heaven and in the earth should be seen, and there should be fire, blood and

pillars of smoke. Eventually the sun is to be turned into darkness and the moon as blood, and then

shall come the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Some of these signs have been given; some

are yet to come. The sun has not yet been darkened. We are informed that this will be one of the

last acts just preceding the coming of the Lord. One wonders if we are not now seeing some of the

signs in heaven."

25.Gathering of all who hold keys to Adam-Ondi-Ahman

This great gathering where all the prophets from the different dispensations, including whomever is

president of the church at that time will turn over their keys to Christ. This may be the largest

priesthood meeting ever held, and is another event that is to immediately precede the Second

Coming. It is unlikely to appear in the church news when it does occur. Bruce R. McConkie

suggests that it will not be a one time meeting of the handful of prophets over the ages, but

eventually, probably during the millennium, will include everyone who has ever had a stewardship in

the church.

27.Special mission in Jerusalem of two latter-day prophets

Revelations chapter 11 describes in detail the two prophets who will preach to the Jews, be

murdered by them, and then be raised up after 3 days. It states they will prophecy for a thousand

two hundred and threescore days, which is about 3 1/2 years. This could mean anyone from

members of the quorum of twelve or seventy, to mission presidents, missionaries, or any man

holding the Melchizedek priesthood and having the gift of prophecy. Again, we are unlikely to know

this is happening, it could be happening now, and we should not put off the "day of our repentance"

until reading this in the church news.

26.Final great war in the Holy Land

The Lord will come in the midst of the greatest war the world has ever known. All nations will be

gathered together at Jerusalem. The armies of the earth will be assembled in the Valley of

Decision. Apparently those engaged in the conflict (perhaps counting those helping to support

forces, such as manufacturing and transporting armaments, food and supplies) will total 200 million.

With the United Nations as active with forces as it now is it is easy to envision world conditions that

could begin such a war. At the height of that conflict Christ will come and the great millennial era

will be ushered in.

28.Wicked to be burned as stubble

At His coming the righteous will be "caught up" while the wicked, those not living at least a

terrestrial life will be burned. Whether this is figurative or literal is not clear. We are told that by the

payment of our tithes and offerings we will be spared.

29.Restoration of earth to its paradisiacal glory

Paradisiacal glory refers to the state the earth was in before the fall of Adam. It was in a Terrestrial

state. This restoration would include the landmasses being joined back together as one. This

would cause quite a commotion in the elements. Also in the Garden of Eden plants, fruits, and

vegetables grew abundantly and year round. To return to this state the earth would need to

eliminate the 23 1/2-degree tilt of its axis that gives us the seasons. This also would be a great

change; in fact, stars would appear to fall from heaven if we were looking heavenward at the time.

Another change would be the enmity between man and beasts. All creatures upon the earth would

become vegetarian, and have no desire to kill or eat one another.

30.Christ to return in glory and reign personally upon earth

This is the greatest of all the prophecies. In Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith it states:

"Then will appear one grand sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But what will the world do? They

will say it is a planet, a comet, etc. But the Son of Man will come as the sign of the coming of the

Son of Man, which will be as the light of the morning cometh out of the east."

All people shall see it together! It shall spread over all the earth as the morning light! "For as the

light of the morning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole

earth, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be." JS-M 1:26