Is there a global conspiracy?

[prophetofdoom]

I wanted to continue the discussion from the "Foxs News" thread. I assert that there are secret combinations working in concert to cause global chaos right now. The strategy is "order out of chaos." They want to stoke the fires in the Middle East and cause chaos to spread across the globe.

They want chaos so they can present their solution to the problem.

Problem---->Reaction----->Solution

Their solution will be a one world government with a one world currency. Of course, this one world government solution is not in the best interest of humanity. It has been put into the hearts of the controllers by the evil one.

So my question is this... do you believe there is a global conspiracy or not?

[NeuroTypical]

Meh.

It's not that there is a shadowy group of people plotting for world domination. It's just that on the geopolitical stage, there is no such thing as a nation that DOESN'T plot for world domination. Every single group on earth since Adam & Eve got kicked out of the nice place, has set their military, economic, and political power to get bigger, more powerful, and just plain more.

Every single plot, tactic, plan, and strategy that one might ascribe to a shadowy plotter, is always in regular use by everybody, all the time. You just never hear about it on the news.

LM

[rameumptom]

There is always a fight between freedom and slavery. The American Revolution occurred much in the way these revolutions are, but we ended up with a free nation and an inspired Constitution.

But many revolutions fall flat or short. All people desire freedom. But once the revolution begins, there are always groups that fight for power. These either end up in freedom or another dictator. The French Revolution began well, but some sought power over freedom, and ended up with neither, just a dictator named Napoleon.

The revolutions that brought down the Iron Curtain have, for the most part, brought increased freedom to Eastern Europe and the former USSR states. But it is still a struggle, as there will continue to be those seeking greater power. In fact, after more than 2 centuries, America still has those who would destroy the Constitution and replace it with another form of government. That does not require a massive centralized secret combination.

Is there a global conspiracy? Or could there be one in the future? Perhaps. But there is no strong evidence for it right now. If there were evidence, is there much I could do about it? Probably not. What could I do? Preach and live the gospel, so that people can have the Gift of the Holy Ghost, living prophets and priesthood in their lives. I can get out of debt, save money and food storage, and be a good example to my neighbors. I can spiritually prepare my family and me for establishing Zion. And I can go on living, believing in Christ, and not over-worrying about secret combinations.

[AGStacker]

There is definitely a global conspiracy. It is Satan's plan! I am being honest. Christ wishes that you are free and have choice and Satan wishes to control you. Their are men working for Christ and Satan. The Book of Mormon speaks that Satan showed himself to men and taught them his ways similar to how angels appear to men.

[PrinceofLight2000]

I wanted to continue the discussion from the "Foxs News" thread. I assert that there are secret combinations working in concert to cause global chaos right now. The strategy is "order out of chaos." They want to stoke the fires in the Middle East and cause chaos to spread across the globe.

They want chaos so they can present their solution to the problem.

Problem---->Reaction----->Solution

Their solution will be a one world government with a one world currency. Of course, this one world government solution is not in the best interest of humanity. It has been put into the hearts of the controllers by the evil one.

So my question is this... do you believe there is a global conspiracy or not?

There definitely is amongst fringe factions of certain ideologies but their endgames aren't the same. I don't think they'll be able to attain power, though, for various reasons. The biggest one of these is that I highly doubt they'll be able to galvanize such a massive populace even assuming they were ignorant. Hitler was able to do it because he propagandized a nation that consisted of 20% of the current US population via a massive economic crisis, and the rest was done via imperialistic force rather than coercion. The same force was used to unify the Soviet Union.

In short, a world takeover is theoretically possible but I don't think the proponents have enough resources to take over politically, much less militarily, let alone when you consider that the world won't take it sitting down when it finally sees what these people are planning. Chaos, however, is most likely looming.

[rubondfan2]

I wanted to continue the discussion from the "Foxs News" thread.

...So my question is this... do you believe there is a global conspiracy or not?

Thanks for starting up a thread dedicated to this topic. I'll start my answer by providing a small analogy.

In the game of Chess, the objective is to "capture" the opponents king through a process called "Checkmate". Now, in the game it is impossible for one side to win with just a King on the board. You must have at least one other piece to help out in the effort and to ultimately have any hope of putting the opponents King in Checkmate. To carry the analogy further, the more pieces the King has working for him... and the more strategically placed those pieces are... the greater the chance of success that exists.

Is Hosni Mubarak at the head of or even directly involved in the overall secret combination? Nah, he's just a pawn... a player in the game. Are George Bush Sr., Bill Clinton, Teddy Roosevelt, Anwar Sadat, John D. Rockefeller or [insert your favorite high profile person here] one of the big planners? Nah, I don't think so... but I do think one or more of them are some of the more strategically placed pieces in the game. Is Rupert Murdock part of the inner circle? Maybe... but still unlikely, and in my opinion he's another example of a powerful, well placed piece in the game. These are just a handful of names that most everyone would recognize. I could go on and on.

So who is at the head? Well, that one is easy; it's Satan, of course. But the better question is who are the ones working directly with him? Well, that's a bit tougher to figure out now, isn't it? Just as in the Book of Mormon, we see that those who were involved in secret combinations were kept secret from society in general. We got to see some of their names hundreds or even thousands of years after the fact through reading the books of Ether, 3rd Nephi, Alma and many other places throughout the book. But at the time, the people in general were duped. They got sucked into the combinations... became players in the game without even realizing there was a game.

Let's look at the Jaredite nation (society) for example. Through the introduction of secret works of darkness (combinations) introduced to a willing few who desired power, control and glory of the world, we ultimately see the destruction of an entire nation of people literally down to the "last man standing" (Coriantumr). Why was this account placed in the book in the first place? Of all of the 1000's of pages of records that Mormon had at his disposal during the compilation of the book, why did he choose to include this? Why did he choose to include at least two other accounts of secret combinations resulting in the destruction of entire nations of people? Just because they were cool stories? Just so we could sit back and shake our heads and point our fingers and say, "Well those poor suckers just couldn't learn, could they?... Gosh, what a mess they were in and they didn't even know it." Or, "Wow, they were warned and warned and didn't pay attention and it ultimately led to their downfall... golly... sucks to be them."

I personally think those accounts are there because of something that Moroni said very specifically in the eighth chapter of Mormon:

"35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing."

Moroni saw the day in which we live and knew what we would be doing. Is it so much of a stretch to believe that he saw secret combinations alive and well in our day and left those very important parts and pieces in the record his father compiled (who no doubt had the same vision granted to him as well) for us to see today?

I hear some say, "Well if there are secret combinations what can I do to stop them? I just need to pray, read my scriptures and show forth a good example and just do my thing." When I hear statements like these, I hear in my head, "Well, there's nothing I can do... and ultimately we know who wins this war... so if I am prepared I shall not fear."

I believe that is only half the story. Yes we have been told that if we are prepared we shall not fear. But who do you think is going to help the Father and the Savior win this war? Are they just going to win it by themselves? Is it just up to "someone else" to be a soldier in the army for righteousness? Can we sit ignorantly and idly by with our noses buried in our scriptures and our heads in the sand as secret combinations and the work of Satan progresses on all around us? Do you really think that if you just pull the covers of "the Church" over your head that the literal monster in your room will not be able to get to you and destroy you?

I believe that an army is needed. I feel as though I am an educator of sorts. And I believe that those who do see what is happening have a responsibility, duty and obligation to join the fight... to get involved... to study, understand and then to stand up and do something. I may be labeled as a conspiracy theorizing ranter... a "Tea Partier"... a "radical thinker" and "extremist" a "over-reactionist" or whatever. But none of that matters to me. I know what I know. I learn more every day. It's taken me years to wake up and open my eyes. I don't pretend to be able to convince anyone of anything with a few paragraphs here and there. But what I do hope to do is encourage some to think... to study... to pray... and then to act.

Yes, there is a global conspiracy. It is well organized, well funded and led by the master of deceit; practiced in his art since before the mortal sphere of existence. He has his army, with members on both sides of the veil. They are paying attention. They are well organized. They are willing to stop at nothing to accomplish their goal. Are you?

Edited March 10, 2011 by rubondfan2
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[Dr T]

Things tend to randomness. From order to chaos. Maybe it's just a natural progression.

[Dr T]

I think ulimately though it will require God to set things right, we are dependent on Him (as I think it should be). God can turn things around.

[prophetofdoom]

I tend to agree rubondfan. I know the prophets had good reason to tell us about the secret combinations. People laugh and call me a "conspiracy theorist" sometimes. To a certain extent, they are right... because I can't "prove" the names of people who exist in the secret combination/s that control the globe. But, as you said, there is a reason they are called "secret combinations." They want to stay hidden from public scrutiny.

It is very logical to assume that Satan has his counter organization on Earth. The Lord set up his organization.. the church with a Prophet and 12 apostles to lead, guide, and direct his church here on Earth. This leads me to assume that Satan may have some sort of organized force on the globe with leaders at the top. Also, we know that secret combinations are as old as time. All the way back to Cain.

With all this doom and gloom, there is still plenty to be hopeful for! The Lord is setting up his mighty forces with the assistance of heaven to guide us. We know the Lord will triumph. When you stick a lamp in a dark room.. the darkness has no where to escape.. it cannot overcome the light. :)

[talisyn]

I think there are secrect alliances of people who are trying to control the world for their own purposes..but usually who I think is doing it and who others think are doing it are usually on opposing ends lol.

[MurphyGal]

Yes, you can call it a conspiracy or call it history repeating itself - when Europe went to the Euro, getting rid of the British pound, Irish pound and all the other monies of individual countries. There is an effort to now complete the globalization, by making ONE currency, ONE banking authority, ONE defense authority, ONE law authority, etc. It began when the markets were globalized, a further step when our judicial system began using UN law or European law to influence some judges legislating from the bench, NATO and the UN influence our defense and military decisions too much. Anyone who doesn't see this globalization is not paying attention. Will there next be....ONE religion forced upon the U.S.? This is the war between good and evil, between free agency and government control of the individual. Much of the population has not been schooled in the constitutional constraints on the three branches of government and how they are now being breached.

Kathleen

[MarginOfError]

Yes, you can call it a conspiracy or call it history repeating itself - when Europe went to the Euro, getting rid of the British pound, Irish pound and all the other monies of individual countries. There is an effort to now complete the globalization, by making ONE currency, ONE banking authority, ONE defense authority, ONE law authority, etc. It began when the markets were globalized, a further step when our judicial system began using UN law or European law to influence some judges legislating from the bench, NATO and the UN influence our defense and military decisions too much. Anyone who doesn't see this globalization is not paying attention. Will there next be....ONE religion forced upon the U.S.? This is the war between good and evil, between free agency and government control of the individual. Much of the population has not been schooled in the constitutional constraints on the three branches of government and how they are now being breached.

Kathleen

One of these things is not like the other

You do realize that the decisions to go to a common currency are usually motivated by business profits and the inconvenience of having to deal with exchange rates, etc. A common currency makes business transactions easier, cheaper, and allows you to expand your clientele. I don't think the people that encouraged the idea had much of anything in mind other than increased profits. Religion is probably the last thing on their mind.

[Matthew0059]

There definitely is amongst fringe factions of certain ideologies but their endgames aren't the same. I don't think they'll be able to attain power, though, for various reasons. The biggest one of these is that I highly doubt they'll be able to galvanize such a massive populace even assuming they were ignorant. Hitler was able to do it because he propagandized a nation that consisted of 20% of the current US population via a massive economic crisis, and the rest was done via imperialistic force rather than coercion. The same force was used to unify the Soviet Union.

In short, a world takeover is theoretically possible but I don't think the proponents have enough resources to take over politically, much less militarily, let alone when you consider that the world won't take it sitting down when it finally sees what these people are planning. Chaos, however, is most likely looming.

Prince-

What would happen if the Spirit stopped striving with every single soul not living the Terrestrial or Celestial laws (that is, everyone living the Telestial laws) and natural disasters continue to happen?

What would happen if almost every country- including America- had its own set of problems that effectually ended the current system of government? Do you think a populace where most have had the Spirit stopped striving with them (as the degenerate Nephites of ~300-400 A.D.) would oppose an iron-fisted regime from rising to take what power it could?

[Sali]

Yes, you can call it a conspiracy or call it history repeating itself - when Europe went to the Euro, getting rid of the British pound, Irish pound and all the other monies of individual countries.

Even though Britain is part of the EU, they continue to hold the British Pound as their currency. Just wanted to clarify. :)

[Guest]

Even though Britain is part of the EU, they continue to hold the British Pound as their currency. Just wanted to clarify. :)

And a good move it was... as we are now seeing.

[talisyn]

no kidding about the pound. I feel sorry for Ireland. I believe it took 2 votes for them to go to the euro and now look at them

[Traveler]

There are interesting things associated with conspiracy theories. It is often the case that powers behind actual conspiracies in reality create counter conspiracy theories to create chaos and misdirection among the public. For a number of years I worked on classified government military projects. From my personal experience that I had I look at area 51 differently than most. I am quite sure that something happened at area 51 and that government is ecstatic that the general consensus (underlying and improvable belief) is that extraterrestrials aliens are involved and that is why government is keeping secrets.

I believe there is a global conspiracy and that such conspiracy is growing in power and influence. The footprints are apparent in history and follow the same patterns that we see in the Book of Mormon. For example one thing we learn from the Book of Mormon is that the power of a “Secret Combination” transcends individuals and even generations. Thus the power is in the organization of the combination and not in any individual or individuals. From time to time individuals within the secret organization may, by coup d’ etat, have individual power for a time but individual power is in essence an illusion. We can see such dynamics at work on a small scale in the popular TV show “Survivor” where the power of control is in the secret of an alliance. The illusion is always in the individual that thinks they are greater than the alliance.

I would draw two historical events to attention. The first is the Great Depression. Few realize that prior to the Great Depression 90% of the farm land in the USA belonged to individual private families. Following the Great Depression over 80% of the farm land in the USA belonged to institutions with majority holdings in banks in the USA. The exact same thing happened during the last very resent “Economic Collapse”. In essence all of the remaining privately held “family banks” by individuals became the property of holding organizations within the greater banking industry. Although I cannot be certain - it does appear to me that at this time all the financial institutions in the USA are under common control with international ties.

As a warning, I believe the prophets of the Last Days in which we live have warned again and again to get out of debt. We have been told that getting out of debt is as important as getting on the ark in the days of Noah.

The Traveler

[FunkyTown]

Yes, you can call it a conspiracy or call it history repeating itself - when Europe went to the Euro, getting rid of the British pound, Irish pound and all the other monies of individual countries.

They got rid of the British Pound?

Man, my company has paid me in British Pounds for several years, now. When did they do that? Was it this morning? 'Cause we sure as heck were using the pound yesterday.

[prophetofdoom]

@Traveler,

I agree very much with your analysis. The boom to bust cycle coincidentally works really well for the big banks. Crash the system... prices fall... buy up real assets for pennies on the dollar. Everyone was really mad in 2008 with the "too big to fail" banks... yet, they have come out of this crisis even larger then before. Many smaller institutions have either folded or been bought up by the larger banks. There has been a vertical consolidation. Not to mention, Goldman Sachs just happened to have key people all over government when the big crash happened in 2008.

[Traveler]

@Traveler,

I agree very much with your analysis. The boom to bust cycle coincidentally works really well for the big banks. Crash the system... prices fall... buy up real assets for pennies on the dollar. Everyone was really mad in 2008 with the "too big to fail" banks... yet, they have come out of this crisis even larger then before. Many smaller institutions have either folded or been bought up by the larger banks. There has been a vertical consolidation. Not to mention, Goldman Sachs just happened to have key people all over government when the big crash happened in 2008.

A few other things to consider - the international control of drugs and their traffic (both legal and illegal - especially very expensive AID’s drugs for poor countries in Africa), control of energy sources - especially oil and finely the control of food; from the control of agricultural land through international trade and also government inspection and local distribution. It would appear (at least to me) with these considerations that you are chasing symptoms rather than root cause.

The Traveler

[prophetofdoom]

A few other things to consider - the international control of drugs and their traffic (both legal and illegal - especially very expensive AID’s drugs for poor countries in Africa), control of energy sources - especially oil and finely the control of food; from the control of agricultural land through international trade and also government inspection and local distribution. It would appear (at least to me) with these considerations that you are chasing symptoms rather than root cause.

The Traveler

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) I believe many of the points in this movie even though people would call me a "kook."

[Traveler]

If you ever get a chance, check out this youtube video (

) I believe many of the points in this movie even though people would call me a "kook."

Where oh where to begin. I would suggest you read the Book of Mormon. In particular the end of the Nephits. Forget the cheep propraganda and take a close look at history with the Book of Mormon as a template. Then take a broad view of history and see what was going on in Europe, the Middle East and China during this same time period the Nephits fell.

With this all before you - pay attention to the next General Conference in April. Listen, not as the Nephits did. You will know how to prepair. Trust me - we don't need to arm ourselves, get everybody together and go off to stop anything - that was the demise of the Nephits - not their salvation.

The Traveler

[prophetofdoom]

Where oh where to begin. I would suggest you read the Book of Mormon. In particular the end of the Nephits. Forget the cheep propraganda and take a close look at history with the Book of Mormon as a template. Then take a broad view of history and see what was going on in Europe, the Middle East and China during this same time period the Nephits fell.

With this all before you - pay attention to the next General Conference in April. Listen, not as the Nephits did. You will know how to prepair. Trust me - we don't need to arm ourselves, get everybody together and go off to stop anything - that was the demise of the Nephits - not their salvation.

The Traveler

I have been rereading the Book of Mormon. I think I know what you are talking about. The answer is not a political solution but a spiritual one. The nephites fought bravely at the end of their civilization but they fought with their own strength, not in the strength of the Lord. Thanks for your insight. I will be looking forward to general conference.

[Traveler]

I have been rereading the Book of Mormon. I think I know what you are talking about. The answer is not a political solution but a spiritual one. The nephites fought bravely at the end of their civilization but they fought with their own strength, not in the strength of the Lord. Thanks for your insight. I will be looking forward to general conference.

I am impressed with this response. I believe the main point is what happened to the Nephites when they took the offensive to meet the enemy on the enemy's terms and what happened to their spirituality from there.

The Traveler

[prophetofdoom]

I am impressed with this response. I believe the main point is what happened to the Nephites when they took the offensive to meet the enemy on the enemy's terms and what happened to their spirituality from there.

The Traveler

Traveler,

You talked earlier about chasing after symptoms instead of the root cause. Would you say the root cause is iniquity and the withholding of blessings from the nation collectively?