Antarctic Ice melting

[Traveler]

Here is one of many links reporting a new study that Antarctic is melting due to subglacial volcanoes.  Actually this has been known for over 10 years but the carbon changing climate crowd have wanted to blame this on human caused carbon emissions.  Here is the link:  http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0610/Subglacial-volcanoes-melting-West-Antarctic-Ice-sheet-say-scientists

 

I reported on this forum that a super volcano under 3 miles of ice is heating up for an eminent eruption.  When this happens the oceans of the earth will rise from 20 to 60 feet forcing 80 of the human population to relocate.  It is not atmospheric warming caused from greenhouse gases.

[Just_A_Guy]

I dunno.  With regard to greenhouse gasses (which I realize is tangential to your point here)--I've been mildly skeptical of AGW--but not enough to really get into arguments over it--for sometime.  One of the reasons for my skepticism was the statement, often repeated by AGW skeptics, that volcanic activity produces far more greenhouse gasses than man-made emissions do.  Just this week I came across EPA numbers that seem to put that one to bed.

 

I don't like AGW theory proponents using "tricks" to "hide the data".  I don't like AGW theory opponents coming up with cockamamie claims that are wholly unconnected to any known data whatsoever.  All I know is, I'm tired of all the baloney sauce I'm hearing.  From both sides.

 

I want to be a good steward of the environment and am willing to make reasonable cutbacks, but it seems like most AGW proponents are insisting that I limit my family size, turn in my automobile, never set foot in an airplane, and triple the time of my daily commute--while they themselves continue to live in their mansions in between jetting around the world attending international scientific and/or political conferences demonstrating how much they care .  And to those demands, I say:  Not a chance in Hades.

[The Folk Prophet]

Here is one of many links reporting a new study that Antarctic is melting due to subglacial volcanoes.  Actually this has been known for over 10 years but the carbon changing climate crowd have wanted to blame this on human caused carbon emissions.  Here is the link:  http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0610/Subglacial-volcanoes-melting-West-Antarctic-Ice-sheet-say-scientists

 

I reported on this forum that a super volcano under 3 miles of ice is heating up for an eminent eruption.  When this happens the oceans of the earth will rise from 20 to 60 feet forcing 80 of the human population to relocate.  It is not atmospheric warming caused from greenhouse gases.

 

*shrug* only 80 people having to relocate isn't so bad....

 

....oh...wait......

 

[estradling75]

This is my understanding...

 

According to science (and pretty much undisputed) is that in the earth's history it has undergone several ice ages...  Ice ages that caused the temperature to drop and the seas to recede.  These ice ages were followed by periods were the ice melted, the temperatures climbed and the sea's rose. Or in a word the climate CHANGED.  This happened all without modern humanity being around to do squat.

 

Thus it seem to me that science has shown that climate change is the earth's default or natural state. And that we have been coming out of an ice age so we should expect both the temperature  and sea levels to climb.  At least until we start our decent into the next ice age.

 

Therefore when I see people claiming 'Human' caused climate change... I have to ask when did the normal scientifically shown climate change become a non existent factor?  I tend to not give much credences to people who come off as if everything would be all hunky dorie if humans would just stop messing stuff up.

 

Now there are those that say Humans are accelerating or aggravating the process.  This I concede is a possibility. (Although I would like to see what they expect the normal change to be and how they came to that estimate. Then have the human predicted impact on top.

 

Even with that though I think the focus of the Global Warming groups are completely wonky...  I don't think we can (or should really) stop the natural processes and cycles of the earth.  Therefore wrecking the economies to try to stop it is unwise...  Instead we should be looking into how to get us through the changes that are coming.

[Still_Small_Voice]

I wonder if the ocean level would go up a mere foot or less if the ice melted in Antartica.  The whole surface of the ocean is a very large place.

[slamjet]

I remember as a kid learning in school of the thought of trying to make the ice caps darker in color, like, black so that they can absorb the sun and melt because the climate was so cold.  Gee, how times change.

[Traveler]

I wonder if the ocean level would go up a mere foot or less if the ice melted in Antartica.  The whole surface of the ocean is a very large place.

 

An Ice field or glacier 3 miles thick (almost 16,000 feet) covering most of Antarctica is a lot of water.  The polar ice melts so far have already raised the oceans almost a foot.

 

I would make a comment about keeping the planet green.  Plant life needs carbon dioxide (which is the greenhouse gas advertized as the greatest problem for global warming) which is essential for photosynthesis.   Carbon dioxide makes up less than 2% of current greenhouse gases.  The largest percentage belongs to water vapor in the atmosphere.  The increase of greenhouse gasses (water and carbon dioxide) is the best and most effective way to keep the planet green.