Filthy Lucre

[The Folk Prophet]

5 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

You live through stuff like that, and it molds you.  You develop an affinity for certain kinds of people who are struggling with certain kinds of evil.  Then you go look at a thread where people are aghast that someone could watch R-rated movies as a job, and you have to think kind of hard to see how your worldview and theirs interact.   I watched SLC Punk.  It's a raunchy, horrible show full of sex, violence, and bad language, and you should all stay away from it.  Yet I was led by the spirit throughout much of the movie.  My love for my fellow man was increased. I am a better disciple of Christ having watched it, than I was before.  I think a big reason, was the movie was not entertainment - it was research.  Past all the nasty and usual emotional manipulation, it was full of surprisingly mature twists and depths, and I learned how to love the sinners in my life as I watched it.  

I do not buy that seeing SLC Punk or the like is in any way requisite to increasing love for fellowman, becoming better disciples of Christ, etc. Not discounting your learning from it, it cannot be denied that you also had to put up with raunchiness, violence, sex and bad language. We do not need these sorts of entertainments to teach us the things that we need to learn in life and to become the people we need to become. The fact that now and again one or another may have some side benefits, in my mind, does nothing to justify them. It's kind of like someone arguing that we should drink wine because of the anti-oxidants and health benefits. 

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[Jedi_Nephite]

18 hours ago, MormonGator said:

I've walked out of Adam Sandler movies. Not because they've been offensive to my morals (But he is rude, disgusting and vile), but because they've been offensive to good comedy. I swear Carb, I'm the only thirty something year old man who thinks Adam Sandler is vulgar, crass, gross, but worse-flat out not funny. Someone needs to tell him that his "funny voices" are annoying, not amusing.  

When I was a teenager, I remember when the movie Waterboy came out, almost everyone I knew thought it was the funniest thing they had ever seen. 

I didn't get his humor then, and I don't get it now.

[Guest MormonGator]

9 minutes ago, Jedi_Nephite said:

When I was a teenager, I remember when the movie Waterboy came out, almost everyone I knew thought it was the funniest thing they had ever seen. 

I didn't get his humor then, and I don't get it now.

Same here. I liked him in one movie, Punch Drunk Love, which he played a character completely unlike his other ones. Every other movie (granted, I've only seen three others. I don't want to be a killjoy or "that guy" so I've watched his movies with my friends. I like hanging out with them more than I dislike Adam Sandler. They also go to my obscure arthouse movies with me) of his has been terrible. 

[Guest]

How about Reign Over Me?

[Guest MormonGator]

23 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

How about Reign Over Me?

Never heard of it. 

[Ironhold]

Sandler can do serious as well as funny, but he needs a third party keeping tabs on him to prevent him from defaulting into the sort of "frat house" comedy that he's so (in)famous for. Sadly, he also needs to do a better job of picking his "serious" roles, and IMHO "Spanglish" was an irredeemable dud. 

[Guest MormonGator]

7 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Sandler can do serious as well as funny, but he needs a third party keeping tabs on him to prevent him from defaulting into the sort of "frat house" comedy that he's so (in)famous for. Sadly, he also needs to do a better job of picking his "serious" roles, and IMHO "Spanglish" was an irredeemable dud. 

Great description, and from a movie reviewer I expected no less! 

[Vort]

I thought his "50 First Dates" character was likeable, though that may be the only Sandler movie I have seen where I thought that. (I haven't watched a lot of Sandler movies, though, so my opinion is worth what you paid for it.)

[Vort]

My 18-year-old son asked me a few weeks ago why we call them "movies" instead of "talkies". I had no good answer for him.

[The Folk Prophet]

21 minutes ago, Vort said:

My 18-year-old son asked me a few weeks ago why we call them "movies" instead of "talkies". I had no good answer for him.

Because a talkie is a form of a movie. We don't call cars station wagons, for example.

[Vort]

8 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Because a talkie is a form of a movie. We don't call cars station wagons, for example.

Well, yes, a talkie is a form of a movie -- specifically, the form where people TALK, as opposed to "silent" movies where the only "soundtrack" is live organ accompaniment. Since basically 100% of today's films involve dialog and other soundtrack elements, they fall very solidly in the "talkie" camp. In contrast, station wagons are a very specific type of automobile, and very few of today's automobiles fall within that classification.

[The Folk Prophet]

17 minutes ago, Vort said:

Well, yes, a talkie is a form of a movie -- specifically, the form where people TALK, as opposed to "silent" movies where the only "soundtrack" is live organ accompaniment. Since basically 100% of today's films involve dialog and other soundtrack elements, they fall very solidly in the "talkie" camp. In contrast, station wagons are a very specific type of automobile, and very few of today's automobiles fall within that classification.

Sure...not a perfect example. But the point remains. And moreover, the term "movie" came first.

[Ironhold]

42 minutes ago, Vort said:

I thought his "50 First Dates" character was likeable, though that may be the only Sandler movie I have seen where I thought that. (I haven't watched a lot of Sandler movies, though, so my opinion is worth what you paid for it.)

I didn't really like the fact that he was basically trying to take advantage of someone who was mentally ill; after all, if he failed, then she'd just forget about it and he could try again. 

The cover songs in the soundtrack also irritated me to no end, as I'm familiar with the originals and so couldn't help but mentally compare the two. 

[Vort]

7 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

I didn't really like the fact that he was basically trying to take advantage of someone who was mentally ill; after all, if he failed, then she'd just forget about it and he could try again. 

The cover songs in the soundtrack also irritated me to no end, as I'm familiar with the originals and so couldn't help but mentally compare the two. 

I understood the whole point of the movie as that he was trying very, very hard not to take advantage of her brain damage.

[Guest Godless]

I'm with Gator, Sandler is the absolute worst. He's painful to watch. 

 

Love SLC Punk though. 

[Guest Godless]

I'm with Gator, Sandler is the absolute worst. He's painful to watch. 

 

Love SLC Punk though. 

[Guest MormonGator]

17 minutes ago, Godless said:

 

Love SLC Punk though. 

Thanks for the Sandler back up, and I love that movie too! 

[Jojo Bags]

On ‎3‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 3:58 PM, Mahone said:

So is such counsel for US members of the church only? Or does it apply to all LDS members worldwide? Should British LDS members heed to the rating guidelines provided by the United States only, or that of their own country only, or both? Is a movie acceptable for a US LDS member to consider seeing because it's rating a PG-15 in the US despite higher rating in other locations, but not for a British LDS member to consider seeing the same movie because it's rated an 18 in the UK?

 

I'm terms of your analogy, would you consider going into a mine because the US rated it as safe, despite the warnings of it being dangerous by other countries? What about the other way around?

I'm glad you have such faith in the rating system provide by a single entity. But for me, I take into account many more factors before making a decision as I see the world as far less black and white than you do.

The standard for any form of any entertainment is that if it is inappropriate in any way, don't watch or listen to it.  That's pretty clear and simple.

[Jojo Bags]

14 hours ago, MormonGator said:

 Wrong. If you look at The David by Michelangelo and you think it's "inappropriate" that shows more on you than the David. You look at the context. You look at the setting. You look at what it has meant to the world. Your typical R rated movie has none of what The David or a Degas painting has. Than again, not everyone has an eye for artwork, and there is nothing immoral about it. 

 

If you think it's righteous to talk about not reading Shakespeare or the classics, that is certainly your right. What could BYU teach in their English classes if you avoid Shakespeare? Should they not teach English or art at all? 

I'm not sure it you are aware of the Gospel standard when it comes to art, videos, movies, magazines, and radio, so I'll plainly state it.  If anything shows off or exposes the human body in any way, if it is vulgar, degrading, and crude, if it includes light laughter, or anything else that is inappropriate, it is wrong to look at or read.  From your statement, I can only conclude that you think if it's considered "art" it is not pornographic.  Using that same reasoning, Hugh Heffner could make the credible claim that Playboy is art and therefore not porn.  All he has to do is put a fancy frame around the picture and, voilà!  It's art.  The same thing could be said of every single photo magazine that features nudes, yet there is absolutely no difference between the nudes in Playboy and any other painting that exposes the body except there isn't a frame.

As for Shakespeare, I'm not terribly cultured.  I go into convulsions and cough up hairballs if I have to read his work.

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

50 minutes ago, Jojo Bags said:

I'm not sure it you are aware of the Gospel standard when it comes to art, videos, movies, magazines, and radio, so I'll plainly state it.  If anything shows off or exposes the human body in any way,

You might be surprised to read about the BYU-Idaho Humanities European Tour:

The 2016 Humanities travel-study program offers an unforgettable cultural immersion through visits to London, Paris, Rome, Florence, Vienna, Munich, among several others. Attending a musical in London, surveying Paris from the bell tower of Notre Dame, walking the paths of Rome's 2,000 years of history and marveling at Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel, visiting his David in Florence, and much more, make this travel experience rich, educational, and incredibly fun! In the Humanities European Travel - Study program, knowledgeable and experienced faculty members help make Europe a classroom you'll never forget!

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Edited March 2, 2016 by LiterateParakeet

[Jojo Bags]

2 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said:

You might be surprised to read about the BYU-Idaho Humanities European Tour:

The 2016 Humanities travel-study program offers an unforgettable cultural immersion through visits to London, Paris, Rome, Florence, Vienna, Munich, among several others. Attending a musical in London, surveying Paris from the bell tower of Notre Dame, walking the paths of Rome's 2,000 years of history and marveling at Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel, visiting his David in Florence, and much more, make this travel experience rich, educational, and incredibly fun! In the Humanities European Travel - Study program, knowledgeable and experienced faculty members help make Europe a classroom you'll never forget!

http://www.byui.edu/humanities-philosophy/european-tour

I've read several things from professors and students from BYU and I'm afraid I agree with Elder Andersen when he said that almost without exception, the students at BYU believed in part or all of the communist manifesto.  As Pres. Benson said, there is a lot of secular ideas that creep in even at Church sponsored schools.  The psychology instruction is one that comes to mind.  I've read many questions and "answers" on the 100 Hour Board, and I'm blown away by the false doctrine I see spouted by ignorant students who make no effort to find out what is false tradition and truth.  President Benson said that his greatest enemies were at BYU.  He was appalled by the amount of professors and students who accepted socialism.  Try a better example.

[Guest MormonGator]

9 hours ago, Jojo Bags said:

I'm not sure it you are aware of the Gospel standard when it comes to art, videos, movies, magazines, and radio, so I'll plainly state it.  If anything shows off or exposes the human body in any way, if it is vulgar, degrading, and crude, if it includes light laughter, or anything else that is inappropriate, it is wrong to look at or read.  From your statement, I can only conclude that you think if it's considered "art" it is not pornographic.  Using that same reasoning, Hugh Heffner could make the credible claim that Playboy is art and therefore not porn.  All he has to do is put a fancy frame around the picture and, voilà!  It's art.  The same thing could be said of every single photo magazine that features nudes, yet there is absolutely no difference between the nudes in Playboy and any other painting that exposes the body except there isn't a frame.

 

 If you think looking at classical art is the same as looking at Playboy, there is literally nothing I can say in response. Wow. 

[Guest MormonGator]

8 hours ago, LiterateParakeet said:

You might be surprised to read about the BYU-Idaho Humanities European Tour:

The 2016 Humanities travel-study program offers an unforgettable cultural immersion through visits to London, Paris, Rome, Florence, Vienna, Munich, among several others. Attending a musical in London, surveying Paris from the bell tower of Notre Dame, walking the paths of Rome's 2,000 years of history and marveling at Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel, visiting his David in Florence, and much more, make this travel experience rich, educational, and incredibly fun! In the Humanities European Travel - Study program, knowledgeable and experienced faculty members help make Europe a classroom you'll never forget!

http://www.byui.edu/humanities-philosophy/european-tour

It's wonderful that BYU is opening themselves up to more culture and history. Perhaps it'll show the real world how LDS really are. 

[NeedleinA]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

BYU is opening themselves up 

It has been 15+ years since I was at BYU. I took several art classes. One of the classes was a sketch class in the Fine Arts building. Every other day a model in her (bra) or his sports underwear would pose for us. I still have the drawings, but withhold them from my kids until they get a little older

Edited March 2, 2016 by NeedleinA