Political Realization

[Guest MormonGator]

5 hours ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

I find your condescending attitude to be in poor taste. I am happy to amuse you, and for what it's worth you amuse me also. Kind of like the crazy uncle at thanksgiving. 

You have to ignore it Omega. It's sad, but you can do nothing about it.

Conspiracy theorists have a staggering case of the martyr complex. Always persecuted by you ignorant fools who are too stupid to know the truth. Of course I know it, but I'm not like you sheep who believe the government-even though in the case of 9/11 it's been conclusively proven that the official story is what really happened. Clearly, they think they are smarter than all us dummies. They forget a very, very important saying :"A wise man understands how little he knows". 

It's very, very depressing how many people believe in conspiracies. Then again, I know of people who think they are Jesus while they mumble to themselves on the street corner too. You have to treat online conspiracy theorists the same way you'd treat the homeless man on the corner who screams at passing cars while waiting for the starship to take him back to Jupiter-you feel sorry for them, of course- but you can't take what they say seriously either. 


I have one rule online: Ignore every conspiracy theorist. It's saved me countless arguments. 
 

Edited March 30, 2016 by MormonGator

[Jojo Bags]

10 hours ago, MormonGator said:

You have to ignore it Omega. It's sad, but you can do nothing about it.

Conspiracy theorists have a staggering case of the martyr complex. Always persecuted by you ignorant fools who are too stupid to know the truth. Of course I know it, but I'm not like you sheep who believe the government-even though in the case of 9/11 it's been conclusively proven that the official story is what really happened. Clearly, they think they are smarter than all us dummies. They forget a very, very important saying :"A wise man understands how little he knows". 

It's very, very depressing how many people believe in conspiracies. Then again, I know of people who think they are Jesus while they mumble to themselves on the street corner too. You have to treat online conspiracy theorists the same way you'd treat the homeless man on the corner who screams at passing cars while waiting for the starship to take him back to Jupiter-you feel sorry for them, of course- but you can't take what they say seriously either. 


I have one rule online: Ignore every conspiracy theorist. It's saved me countless arguments. 
 

Do you know who was the biggest conspiracy theorist of the church?  Pres. Benson.  He stood up in general conference and said that every Latter-day Saint should read the book, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy."  It goes into what you and many other people love to call "conspiracy theories," but I find that these people have absolutely no facts to back up their claims of no conspiracy.  These people do absolutely nothing to look into things for themselves, to find the truth about what is a conspiracy fact or theory.  On the other hand, I have a prophet of God identifying socialism as the end time prophecy secret combination.  He called it a "conspiracy fact."  You can watch a clip of it here.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJNMcD2IY_k

I guess you need to ignore everything Pres. Benson ever said, since he was a conspiracy theorist.  You also need to ignore the Book of Mormon, since it, too, is just chock full of conspiracies.

[Jojo Bags]

13 hours ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

I find your condescending attitude to be in poor taste. I am happy to amuse you, and for what it's worth you amuse me also. Kind of like the crazy uncle at thanksgiving. 

You talk about condescending, consider your own knee jerk reaction.  I find your reaction to anything you consider a "conspiracy" to be very typical of the overwhelming majority of people.  One thing I sincerely try to get people to do is some research.  Look into things before you discard them out of hand.  Don't trust the traditionally accepted version of what some people accept as the "truth" just because it is the mainstream version.  The Book of Mormon is full of conspiracies.  Is it false?  The Gadiantons were a secret conspiracy and were responsible for destroying two nations.  It was prophesied that the same thing would eventually happen to all nations.

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Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

(Ether 8:24)

Pres. Benson taught extensively about the end time secret combinations that would destroy this country.  We are to "awake to a sense" of our awful situation, but the overwhelming majority of Latter-day Saint's are asleep when it comes to the wolves within their midst. 

Edited March 31, 2016 by Jojo Bags

[Jojo Bags]

11 hours ago, MormonGator said:

You have to ignore it Omega. It's sad, but you can do nothing about it.

Conspiracy theorists have a staggering case of the martyr complex. Always persecuted by you ignorant fools who are too stupid to know the truth. Of course I know it, but I'm not like you sheep who believe the government-even though in the case of 9/11 it's been conclusively proven that the official story is what really happened. Clearly, they think they are smarter than all us dummies. They forget a very, very important saying :"A wise man understands how little he knows". 

It's very, very depressing how many people believe in conspiracies. Then again, I know of people who think they are Jesus while they mumble to themselves on the street corner too. You have to treat online conspiracy theorists the same way you'd treat the homeless man on the corner who screams at passing cars while waiting for the starship to take him back to Jupiter-you feel sorry for them, of course- but you can't take what they say seriously either. 


I have one rule online: Ignore every conspiracy theorist. It's saved me countless arguments. 
 

Let me add one thing.  I find it very typical of people who accept the mainstream media version of world and national events to have no response when a person presents contradictory evidence to the accepted mainstream version.  Instead they use denial without being able to cite articulable reasons for their denial.  Because they cannot refute the evidence presented in support of the "conspiracy theory," in response, they demean, ridicule, and make personal attacks in an attempt to shame the "conspiracy theorist" into silence.  This is the normal route taken by the socialists of MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Washington Post, and all the other so-called progressive journalists.  These are the same people who pushed for abortion rights and homosexual marriage,  They are very sure of their own superiority.

[omegaseamaster75]

11 hours ago, Jojo Bags said:

Do you know who was the biggest conspiracy theorist of the church?  Pres. Benson.  He stood up in general conference and said that every Latter-day Saint should read the book, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy."  It goes into what you and many other people love to call "conspiracy theories," but I find that these people have absolutely no facts to back up their claims of no conspiracy.  These people do absolutely nothing to look into things for themselves, to find the truth about what is a conspiracy fact or theory.  On the other hand, I have a prophet of God identifying socialism as the end time prophecy secret combination.  He called it a "conspiracy fact."  You can watch a clip of it here.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJNMcD2IY_k

I guess you need to ignore everything Pres. Benson ever said, since he was a conspiracy theorist.  You also need to ignore the Book of Mormon, since it, too, is just chock full of conspiracies.

Was President Benson Speaking as a prophet for the body of the church when he said it? Did he ever say "Thus saith the lord" Were his theories accepted by the 12 and then ratified by the body of the church? I suspect that the answer is no in every case.

[omegaseamaster75]

10 hours ago, Jojo Bags said:

Let me add one thing.  I find it very typical of people who accept the mainstream media version of world and national events to have no response when a person presents contradictory evidence to the accepted mainstream version.  Instead they use denial without being able to cite articulable reasons for their denial.  Because they cannot refute the evidence presented in support of the "conspiracy theory," in response, they demean, ridicule, and make personal attacks in an attempt to shame the "conspiracy theorist" into silence.  This is the normal route taken by the socialists of MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Washington Post, and all the other so-called progressive journalists.  These are the same people who pushed for abortion rights and homosexual marriage,  They are very sure of their own superiority.

Mostly because the reasons for the conspiracy are so unbelievable that they barely merit discussion. 

[omegaseamaster75]

10 hours ago, Jojo Bags said:

Let me add one thing.  I find it very typical of people who accept the mainstream media version of world and national events to have no response when a person presents contradictory evidence to the accepted mainstream version.  Instead they use denial without being able to cite articulable reasons for their denial.  Because they cannot refute the evidence presented in support of the "conspiracy theory," in response, they demean, ridicule, and make personal attacks in an attempt to shame the "conspiracy theorist" into silence.  This is the normal route taken by the socialists of MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Washington Post, and all the other so-called progressive journalists.  These are the same people who pushed for abortion rights and homosexual marriage,  They are very sure of their own superiority.

Did the government kill over 3000 of its own people on 9/11 for political reasons? It is a Yes or No question. I would like to know what you think

[NeuroTypical]

Hi Jojo - just a reminder - would really like to hear you respond to my post.  I'm interested to hear how you explain the experiences and opinions of the professional career firemen who were there, on the subect of WT7.

[Guest]

Can we start a new thread on 9-11 conspiracies?

To answer  @omegaseamaster75   yes, he did recommend that book at the 1972 General Conference.  He was not Prophet, but apostle at that time.

@NeuroTypical, no he did not because the 9-11 conspiracy really doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

@Jojo Bags, the conspiracies that Benson referred to (and the book) are about government policies being puppeted by people behind the scenes.  It doesn't mean that everything in the entire world is a conspiracy.  That kind of thinking leads to "the Church is also part of it.  Didn't you see Pres. Monson shaking hands with Pres. Bush in the Illuminati handshake?"  (BTW, the photo of said handshake was not convincing.)

Edited March 31, 2016 by Guest

[Guest MormonGator]

1 hour ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

Mostly because the reasons for the conspiracy are so unbelievable that they barely merit discussion. 

Exactly. 

[Jojo Bags]

11 hours ago, Carborendum said:

 

@Jojo Bags, the conspiracies that Benson referred to (and the book) are about government policies being puppeted by people behind the scenes.  It doesn't mean that everything in the entire world is a conspiracy.  That kind of thinking leads to "the Church is also part of it.  Didn't you see Pres. Monson shaking hands with Pres. Bush in the Illuminati handshake?"  (BTW, the photo of said handshake was not convincing.)

This is exactly my point.  The book is about government policies being puppeted by behind the scenes, which is exactly what is happening right now.  I do not believe that everything that is going on in the world is a conspiracy, nor is the government behind all the horrible things going on.  I do believe that the twin towers were in fact hit by two jet liners.  My problem is with the official narrative regarding building seven.  It was untouched, except for a small fire.  Those high rises are designed to withstand a fire without collapsing, so why did the structural beams collapse?  No ordinary fire, even one fueled by JP-5 can get hot enough to warp I-beams of the type used in building seven.

There seems to be a misunderstanding on the part of people when they hear the term, "conspiracy.,"  For some reason, it seems to have become synonymous with "not true."   People will say, "Oh, that's just a conspiracy," when someone mentions some off the wall subject.  Conspiracy is defined as a secret plan by two or more people to commit a crime.  A conspiracy is an actual crime, not a theory.

I'm not sure how the Church would become part of this.  Can you elaborate?

[Jojo Bags]

13 hours ago, omegaseamaster75 said:

Was President Benson Speaking as a prophet for the body of the church when he said it? Did he ever say "Thus saith the lord" Were his theories accepted by the 12 and then ratified by the body of the church? I suspect that the answer is no in every case.

Oh, please.  Give me a break.  If you use this line of reasoning, then every single thing ever written by every single prophet and apostle that isn't ratified by the 12 and the body of the church is suspect.  Every book ever written by the apostles and prophets, every pamphlet, every talk, every speech, every single thing the apostles and prophets ever said that isn't, as you put it, "accepted by the 12 and then ratified by the body of the church," would all be suspect and therefore not something we should listen to.  If the prophet does not preface anything he says with, "Thus Sayeth The Lord," then we should assume he isn't speaking as the Lord's mouthpiece. 

Do you recall that troublesome scripture that says, "...whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same?"  Or are you going to interpret that away the same way the Supreme Court "interprets" the Constitution?

This is beyond the absurd.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Jojo Bags said:

1) It was untouched, except for a small fire. 

2) Those high rises are designed to withstand a fire without collapsing, so why did the structural beams collapse?  No ordinary fire, even one fueled by JP-5 can get hot enough to warp I-beams of the type used in building seven.

3) There seems to be a misunderstanding on the part of people when they hear the term, "conspiracy.,"  For some reason, it seems to have become synonymous with "not true."   People will say, "Oh, that's just a conspiracy," when someone mentions some off the wall subject.  Conspiracy is defined as a secret plan by two or more people to commit a crime.  A conspiracy is an actual crime, not a theory.

4) I'm not sure how the Church would become part of this.  Can you elaborate?

1) Not according to eyewitness testimony:  See NT's post.

2) Not true.  Who told you that?  Buildings are designed to withstand fires for a given fire rating. Usually 3 hours is the standard. The building was burning for 4 hours minimum by the time the firemen noticed bulging in a corner of the building.  Another hour and a half later it was bad enough that the chiefs decided to pull out.  2.5 hours later, the building fell.  So after 6.5 hours minimum, the building finally fell, when it is often designed for only 3 hrs. 

BTW, the temperature was much hotter than a normal flame.  And, yes, JP-5 can burn hot enough to warp steel.

No, it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

3) No misunderstanding.  I'm very well aware of the real conspiracies.  But what you describe is false.

4) As I said before:

20 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Didn't you see Pres. Monson shaking hands with Pres. Bush in the Illuminati handshake?"  (BTW, the photo of said handshake was not convincing.)

People actually say this.  But one look at the photo shows that it was a simple handshake, nothing  more.  But if you're given to seeing conspiracies everywhere, then it is easy to talk yourself into seeing something that isn't there.

If you give yourself to any conspiracy without really considering it with correct knowledge, then you're following the same thought patterns as anti-Mormons.  Think a certain way about some things, one tends to think that way about everything.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Guest

[NeuroTypical]

Hi Jojo - are you ignoring me on purpose?  Let me ask a third time: please respond to my post.  I'm interested to hear how you explain the experiences and opinions of the professional career firemen who were there, on the subect of WT7.

Do you have me on block or something?

[beefche]

In case JoJo has blocked NT:

NeuroTypical would like an answer:

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Hi Jojo - are you ignoring me on purpose?  Let me ask a third time: please respond to my post.  I'm interested to hear how you explain the experiences and opinions of the professional career firemen who were there, on the subect of WT7.

Do you have me on block or something?