Temple Question About Garments.

[kiwibabee]

this is a question I thought of the last time I went to the temple.

you all know how much of the temple symbols are present in the garment.

my questions is

do the spirits that we go through for wear garments after we are done in the spirit world?

[BenRaines]

Do we wear anything in the spirit world? If they are clothed with spirt clothing I would imagine so.

Ben Raines

[Jbs2763]

I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

[a-train]

In terms of the long haul, we have some good descriptions of resurrected beings to look to in trying to get a picture of the eternal appearance of exalted beings. In particular, we can get a good glimpse from the Prophet Joseph Smith's description of Moroni.

He said: 'He had on a loose robe of most exquisite whiteness. It was a whiteness beyond anything earthly I had ever seen; nor do I believe that any earthly thing could be made to appear so exceedingly white and brilliant. His hands were naked, and his arms also, a little above the wrists; so, also, were his feet naked, as were his legs, a little above the ankles. His head and neck were also bare. I could discover that he had no other clothing on but this robe, as it was open, so that I could see into his bosom.'

Notice Moroni was not dressed in temple garments. Discussions about whether temple ordinances were available to Moroni previous to his appearance could be brought forth I imagine. Perhaps he remained in need of such. However, I have yet to see any indication that the sacred vestments of the temple will be transferred or otherwise replicated in the Celestial world. I imagine that whether resurrected or not, those beings who stand in the presence of God wherein HE and the Saviour are the temple (Rev 21:22), are clothed in the more glorious and brilliant Celestial vestments of that realm, of which we know little and of which the current clothing of the temple in this telestial world is but a vague representation.

It should be remembered that the symbolic nature of the temple and it's instruments is for the purpose of the learning of man, but the actual articles which these things are brought forth to represent are not exactly the same as these mere symbols.

So, do spirits where literal Priesthood vestments? Perhaps, but I doubt they come from a spiritual Beehive Store on the other side of the veil.

-a-train

[Brother Dorsey]

this is a question I thought of the last time I went to the temple.

you all know how much of the temple symbols are present in the garment.

my questions is

do the spirits that we go through for wear garments after we are done in the spirit world?

I have to agree with Ben......

"Do we wear anything in the spirit world? If they are clothed with spirt clothing I would imagine so."

But then again....why do we wear the Garments? Is it for spiritual protection while we are in mortal flesh only? To know for sure we'll just have to wait until we get there!

[Jason]

I for one plan on wearing a dark suit with a grey apron.

[boyando]

One of my favorite, guilty pleasures, is watching Ghost Hunters, on the Sci Fi channel. One time, on the show, they caught a very good image of a man, in a civil war, uniform, while scanning with a thermo camera. They didn't see anything with the naked eye.

That really made me think about what is real and what is made up on the show. The show is supposed to be a reality show, but I kept thinking about the civil war uniform. Why would spirits who have passed on, be found in the clothing that they died in?

A friend gave me a possible answer. This is not gospel, so don't no body add it to your Sunday school lesson.

This friend, when I told him about the image, remembered a story about some one who had passed on, and then came back. In that short time that the person who had passed on was in the spirit world, they notice one lady who was dressed like a queen, and was barking orders. No one seemed to pay attention to this, would be queen. The question was asked, why is she dressed as a queen? The answer given, was that this lady was a queen, before she passed on. Father in his wisdom and compassion, was letting her ware the clothes that she was most comfortable in, until she eased into the fact that she was no longer queen.

If any of what I have said, has any truth to it, then I would say that we are clothed in what we are most comfortable. If that means we get to were our garments, I'm O.K. with that.

Oh and in no way am I endorsing, or denying, that the things seen on the show Ghost Hunters, are real. I may find pleasure in watching, but they also may find pleasure in faking it.

Thank you for letting me muddle up the question - allmosthumble

P.S. The real point of my ramblings, is that Father in his wisdom and compassion, does thing that are not expected.

[Aphrodite]

I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

AND with garments? Thats my idea of hell!!

[pushka]

I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

AND with garments? Thats my idea of hell!!

So everyone will be dressed like Elvis? lol

[prisonchaplain]

I've wanted to boost my post numbers by commenting on every string possible. But with this one, I've got nothing to add. :-)

[Iggy]

I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

AND with garments? Thats my idea of hell!!

I'm sorry you feel the wearing of garments are like being in hell. Perhaps you need to change fabrics.

[Old Tex]

I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

AND with garments? Thats my idea of hell!!

They must be using something there in England that we don't have here in the U.S.

[john doe]

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I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

AND with garments? Thats my idea of hell!!

I'm sorry you feel the wearing of garments are like being in hell. Perhaps you need to change fabrics.

I think her issue has more to do with the wearing of clothing that properly covers the garment than it has to do with the fabric it is made of.

[Jbs2763]

Maybe it will be robes of exceeding whiteness...can we hope for thick terry cloth robes like you get in a 5 star hotel?

[sixpacktr]

All I know is that I am looking forward to robes.

Just think. You get to wear a robe, sandals (or better yet, barefoot!), and no flipping ties!

Talk about comfort!

[a-train]

Yeah, the weather up there is always gorgeous!

-a-train

[Aphrodite]

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QUOTE(Aphrodite @ Sep 23 2007, 11:24 AM)

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I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

AND with garments? Thats my idea of hell!!

I'm sorry you feel the wearing of garments are like being in hell. Perhaps you need to change fabrics.

QUOTE(Iggy @ Sep 23 2007, 06:03 PM)

QUOTE(Aphrodite @ Sep 23 2007, 11:24 AM)

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I've always thought we'd be wearing white jumpsuits..liek we do for baptisms

AND with garments? Thats my idea of hell!!

I'm sorry you feel the wearing of garments are like being in hell. Perhaps you need to change fabrics.

I think her issue has more to do with the wearing of clothing that properly covers the garment than it has to do with the fabric it is made of.

Iggy none of thre fabrics are good. And the styles are crap and badly fitting and uncomfortable. And yes John it is a struggle to find clothes. Its a daily battle. It makes me so unhappy :'(

I must waste so much time tweaking pinching pulling tucking and unrolling, and shopping takes forever now. Im sure I could be doing much more worthwhile things with my time. Oh well, I suppose I havent yet accepted Heavenly Father wants me to be a sweaty, uncomfortable, unhappy, looking and feeling crap woman to get into the celestial kingdom. I have a hard time with that, I would have hoped He would want me to be happy. Ive obviously got learning to do.

[MadHatter]

Iggy none of thre fabrics are good. And the styles are crap and badly fitting and uncomfortable. And yes John it is a struggle to find clothes. Its a daily battle. It makes me so unhappy :'(

I must waste so much time tweaking pinching pulling tucking and unrolling, and shopping takes forever now. Im sure I could be doing much more worthwhile things with my time. Oh well, I suppose I havent yet accepted Heavenly Father wants me to be a sweaty, uncomfortable, unhappy, looking and feeling crap woman to get into the celestial kingdom. I have a hard time with that, I would have hoped He would want me to be happy. Ive obviously got learning to do.

It's about Humbling yourself, the latest "fashions" are not modest. there are plenty of comfortable and decent clothes that are not "old fashioned" that are modest and presentable and even professional.

Just cause you can't wear tank-tops and cut-off shorts anymore is no reason to be upset. The protection from those garments is incomparable to the loss of being able to wear the "latest fashions"

When you wear the garments you are not supposed to "tuck" or "roll" them to accomodate certain styles of clothing, they are to be worn properly at all times and properly covered when you are outside of the home.

It is acceptable to not wear your garments when you are doing physical activites such as playing sports or working out at the gym. all other occasions they should be worn properly.

When you wear the garments properly, at first they may be a little uncomfortable at first but you will get used to them, and you knwo you are dressed properly and modestly if your garments are properly covered by your style of clothing at all times.

The garments we wear here are not going with us when we die, they are to help protect us in our mortality. Also I have been told you should not wear your garments unworthily, jsut liek partakign the sacrament.

Garments also serve as a constant reminder to do what is right. to remind us to always walk uprightly before the lord.

[Canuck Mormon]

Iggy none of thre fabrics are good. And the styles are crap and badly fitting and uncomfortable. And yes John it is a struggle to find clothes. Its a daily battle. It makes me so unhappy :'(

I must waste so much time tweaking pinching pulling tucking and unrolling, and shopping takes forever now. Im sure I could be doing much more worthwhile things with my time. Oh well, I suppose I havent yet accepted Heavenly Father wants me to be a sweaty, uncomfortable, unhappy, looking and feeling crap woman to get into the celestial kingdom. I have a hard time with that, I would have hoped He would want me to be happy. Ive obviously got learning to do.

I understand where you are coming from. My wife feels the same way. She hates the fact that ALMOST none of the nice clothes out there she can wear because of the garments. It's not that she wants to wear halter tops, short shorts, etc., but even some of the blouses these days do not cover the garments. Don't even ask her about bra's.

I admit that us (most) men have it easy when it comes to garments. If you see a garment line or whatever, nobody seems to care. I don't wear shorts that often, but when I do, I can get long shorts that go past my knees, and nobody looks at me wierd because everyone is wearing that style.

All that being said. It is a directive from the Church. When we went through the Temple, we covenanted to wear these garments.

Good luck Aphrodite B)

[Aphrodite]

I understand where you are coming from. My wife feels the same way. She hates the fact that ALMOST none of the nice clothes out there she can wear because of the garments. It's not that she wants to wear halter tops, short shorts, etc., but even some of the blouses these days do not cover the garments. Don't even ask her about bra's.

I admit that us (most) men have it easy when it comes to garments. If you see a garment line or whatever, nobody seems to care. I don't wear shorts that often, but when I do, I can get long shorts that go past my knees, and nobody looks at me wierd because everyone is wearing that style.

All that being said. It is a directive from the Church. When we went through the Temple, we covenanted to wear these garments.

Good luck Aphrodite

Thanks so much Canuck. Its nice to know theres other people out there that feel the same as me. You're right its a lot easier for men, thats why I think myhusband has a hard time understanding why I have so much of a prolem with them.

It's about Humbling yourself, the latest "fashions" are not modest. there are plenty of comfortable and decent clothes that are not "old fashioned" that are modest and presentable and even professional.

Just cause you can't wear tank-tops and cut-off shorts anymore is no reason to be upset. The protection from those garments is incomparable to the loss of being able to wear the "latest fashions"

When you wear the garments you are not supposed to "tuck" or "roll" them to accomodate certain styles of clothing, they are to be worn properly at all times and properly covered when you are outside of the home.

It is acceptable to not wear your garments when you are doing physical activites such as playing sports or working out at the gym. all other occasions they should be worn properly.

When you wear the garments properly, at first they may be a little uncomfortable at first but you will get used to them, and you knwo you are dressed properly and modestly if your garments are properly covered by your style of clothing at all times.

The garments we wear here are not going with us when we die, they are to help protect us in our mortality. Also I have been told you should not wear your garments unworthily, jsut liek partakign the sacrament.

Garments also serve as a constant reminder to do what is right. to remind us to always walk uprightly before the lord.

I dont adjust my garments to accommodate 'immodest' styles, I have to adjust them constantly as theyre so poorly made and uncomfortable as they are not right for my body shape. And yes I have tried every single kind going, they are all just as bad as another type. I have to spend ages smothing them down after I go to the loo other wise they leave a nasty ridge. The waist band comes upto my boobs for heavens sake! And Im not small, Im 5 6'. Its like having two elastic bands round ur knees and waist. Horrible. The sleeves are constantly bunching up so I have to keep smoothing them down. My bra straps are constantly slipping off the dry silk ones so I have to keep yanking them back up. I cant bend down if theres people behind me incase they show, I have to crouch like some old lady. (otherwise the jeans slip over the slippery garments showing ur behind. Now THATS immodest). I wake up dripping with sweat as its like being wrapped in cling film. And if its hot, they make skin itch and prickle.

You assume I want to go round looking like a tart in a skirt up my bum and my boobs on display. Thats so untrue. I just want to feel COMFORTABLE again, I want to feel like me, to feel free. Even a basic t-shirt can be 'immodest' as it shows an inch of fabric near your shoulders. Canuck is right-a plain blouse can be too short on the hem so you cant bend down. Its more of a struggle to find clothes that arent 'immodest' (even tho theyre not in the first place)than you think. Ive ended up wearing jeans and t-shirts all the time as its so hard to find clothes that cover them. Or you end up layering which makes you feel like a swaddled baby. I feel so unfeminine.

Oh and havent got used to wearing them. Ive been wearing them for two years and a bit now and they still as uncomfortable as they were two years ago.

What do they protect you against exactly???? Your own sexuality in my opinion.

Im sorry to sound bitter. But they are one of the main reasons I am struggling with the church. I wish I could find something positive to say about them but I cant! There isnt one single redeeming quality that they have. Ive tried but I feel angry with God for feeling this way because of something hes alledged to want for us. which has withered my testimony. Garments dont remind me to do whats right, they remind me Ive lost a certain amount of freedom and independance within myself. Wearing poorly made, badly fitting underwear circa 1830 does not encourage me to do right Im afraid!!!!!!!! But thanks for your efforts anyway. Im sure you mean well. I suppose its like not liking a certain food. You cant force yourself to like olives if the sight of them makes you feel nauseous. I cant force myself to like or have any desire to want to wear the garments. Thats just the way it is. *sigh*

Aph xx

[MadHatter]

the way you presented your turmoil in your earlier post seemed to be something ti apparently wasn't and i apologize for that.

my uncle had a hard time getting used to wearing garments because he spent alot of time in cut-offs and sleeveless shirts, (this was the 70's)

there are "one piece" styles that migth make you feel more comfortable because there is no waistband.

I'm sorry if your body type doesn't work for the available sizes of garments, you might possibly talk to your bishop or stake president about what is possible to do about it.

As for protection, there are many stories where things have horribly happened, like explosions and fires where the member who was wearing thier garments were not burned at all where thier garments were protecting them.

As for "sexuality" that should be kept to the bedroom, and you do not have to wear them during those times. you shouldn't be going outside to feel "sexy."

you don't even HAVE to wear them around your house if you want, it is personal preferrence.

As for your personal experience, it's a shame that you feel so horribly about them, theya re designed with our protection in mind, not our comfort or our "sexuality."

I would pray and talk with your bishop, if they are truely uncomfortable and impossble for you to wear properly because of a valid reason, then possibly a compromise could be made? I don't know really but it's worth a shot...

Just remember the covenants in the temple and keep that in mind, do the blessings that come far outieght having to put up with a little discomfort? or are you unwilling to suffer with it just a little longer and endure to the end?

[a-train]

My wife is a knockout. She is a convert and went to the Temple and received her garments just around 15 months after her baptism. She was 25 when she got them. I have never heard someone say: 'Your wife dresses so out of style.' She is able to buy clothing almost everywhere. She gets clothing from my skateboard shop regularly. She is a singer who wears beautiful dresses in jazz clubs on stage often. She is able to do all of this in her garments without any real issues. She wears her garments all the time and tries stuff on with them before buying. In fact, she is often complemented on her style.

This conversation sounds like the Harley dudes who say: 'I just want to be free. That helmet weighs my head down and obscures my vision. It makes me hot and uncomfortable and in that state I am more likely to make bad decisions and ride poorly.'

We live in a time where garments and clothes are available in more options than ever in known history. Frankly, it seems impossible to me that there be anyone who cannot find proper clothing to accomodate the garments not only in comfort, but also in style.

Heck, I can where a 9mm Beretta under my clothes and maintain comfort, style, and total secrecy.

-a-train

[boyando]

I've wanted to boost my post numbers by commenting on every string possible. But with this one, I've got nothing to add. :-)

Seems no one has anything to add, including me

[Aphrodite]

As for protection, there are many stories where things have horribly happened, like explosions and fires where the member who was wearing thier garments were not burned at all where thier garments were protecting them.

As for "sexuality" that should be kept to the bedroom, and you do not have to wear them during those times. you shouldn't be going outside to feel "sexy."

you don't even HAVE to wear them around your house if you want, it is personal preferrence.

As for your personal experience, it's a shame that you feel so horribly about them, theya re designed with our protection in mind, not our comfort or our "sexuality."

I would pray and talk with your bishop, if they are truely uncomfortable and impossble for you to wear properly because of a valid reason, then possibly a compromise could be made? I don't know really but it's worth a shot...

Just remember the covenants in the temple and keep that in mind, do the blessings that come far outieght having to put up with a little discomfort? or are you unwilling to suffer with it just a little longer and endure to the end?

Those stories make me laugh. Im sure theres just as many where the garments didnt protect people but dp we ever hear abou those? Otherwise its a biased sample. They certainly didnt protect those poor 2 sister missionaries who were gang raped in south africa a few months ago. So wearing garments will protect physical harm from happening to me? I dont think so.

As for 'not designed to be comfortable'-If you're supposed to wear something 24 hours a day for the rest of your life, do you not think they should be comfortable? Back in the day people used to make their own garments. Plus Ive heard that its not the garments themselves that matter its the marks. So why the outdated style? If the marks are that important why dont we sew them onto our own underwear like we used to?

Your underwear is designed for support and hygiene needs and yet the small matter of comfort is left out when they are 'designed'. Who makes these things, people with no eyesight or feeling below their necks? garments are not sypportive or hygienic..

One pieces-The thought of them makes me laugh! Like a babies romper suit. How do u go to the loo???!!

If people look at the history of garments they'll realise how relaxed the rules used to be, which tells me we could relax a little now.

MadHatter, I have spoken with my bishop. He told me to read the scriptures. (This was about all my issues with the church but I brought up the garments as thats one of my main issues). He said "The Lord asks we wear the garments, you are right, its black and white'. I said, The CHURCH asks you to wear garments. So basically hes a nice man and sympathetic but he cant do anything. But thanks for the suggestion, If i hadnt already then I might have done after your suggestion.

By the way, you DO have to wear them round the house. Ive read several talks that say you must not slouch round in beach wear at home or without your garments. Its 'immodest in the sight of the Lord'. In that case why are we allowed to even wash, as we have to get naked! It seems different leaders say different things which is unfair. Ill pray for the day 'the Lord' abolishes the idea!!!

[sixpacktr]

Hi Aphrodite,

we've gone over this territory before, so it is pointless to try and change your mind on this. But I will tell you this: garments are not 'magic underwear' that will stop a bullet or any other type of thing. But I do know a woman that was protected from fire where her garments were. You can laugh if you want, but it is true...I believe that they do have protective qualities, not only physical, but more importantly, spiritual.

I would recommend to you this month's Ensign. There are several very good articles in there about the temples, their purpose and symbolism.

Somehow you need to humble yourself enough to understand the beauty of the temple. The tenor of your posts here are always derogatory when it comes to the temple, and you need to understand why that is. Sorry, but I don't buy the story that it freaked you out and that garments are uncomfortable. My first time thru freaked me out too. So much symbolism that I was caught off guard. No more. Now it is beautiful and deep to me, and I wish that you could see that... :)

Pls take this in the spirit offered, not as a put down but as someone that sees you as struggling...