Vort Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 On 12/30/2024 at 10:49 PM, Just_A_Guy said: Carter also publicly denounced Trump as an illegitimate president elected via Russian interference. More to the point, IMHO, he offered full-throated support to Roe and to abortion-on-demand. Hearing all these conservative paeans to him is a little surreal—like hearing people praise Arthur Zander for his service as an LDS branch president and completely gloss over the fact that Zander supported Naziism and excommunicated Helmuth Hubener. Carter may have been a complex character who did some nice things and succeeded in making sure that a camera was there while he did them. But I would venture to guess that when the eternal balances are weighed and self-deception becomes impossible, his role as a powerful and consensual apologist for elective baby killing will weigh heavily on his conscience; and the Grace he spent a lifetime seeking will only come after much more pain than he thought possible. I can't really argue against this viewpoint. But in my view, Jimmy Carter showed a sort of personal integrity that many other US presidents of my lifetime, especially other Democrats, seem to have lacked. Despite his apologetics for abortion and his ever-present naivete (or foolishness) regarding foreign policy and the treatment of hostile foreign powers, Carter demonstrated a working moral compass in his personal life. His restraint in the face of constant embarrassment at the hands of his family, especially his brother but including his mother and even his wife, made him a laughingstock in the short term but earned my adult respect. His post-presidential activities seemed largely consonant with the Christian ideals he espoused. Phoenix_person and SilentOne 2 Quote
Vort Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 On 1/1/2025 at 2:26 PM, NeuroTypical said: Mine comes from a desire to love thy neighbor and not speak evil of the dead. Interestingly, the scriptures seem to have no compunction about speaking evil of the dead. "Do not speak evil of the dead" may possibly be a wise course of action in general (and small-scale) society, but as a rule I think it fails. Unless it's talking about the creeping, idiotic presentism that infests modern historical discourse, in which cas I wholeheartedly agree. NeuroTypical 1 Quote
Carborendum Posted January 6 Report Posted January 6 I tend to believe that his work with the PLO peach treaty says everything about him. He was trying to do the right thing. He was rewarded for it. He completely bumbled it. And it was all worthless in the end. Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 Did anyone notice that the rendition of “Be Still My Soul” played at President Carter’s funeral sounds an awful lot like the Mack Wilberg/Tabernacle Choir arrangement? NeuroTypical and Carborendum 1 1 Quote
zil2 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 34 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: Did anyone notice that the rendition of “Be Still My Soul” played at President Carter’s funeral sounds an awful lot like the Mack Wilberg/Tabernacle Choir arrangement? Shhh! If it gets out, everyone will have to decry the cult instead of enjoying the music. Carborendum and Just_A_Guy 2 Quote
Carborendum Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 Speaker Johnson has declared that the flags in the capital shall be flown at full staff on Jan 20th (day of inauguration) then lowered again the next day until the end of the traditional 30 days in memory of former Pres. Carter. Some red states have agreed to the protocol. I wonder how many blue states will. Quote
Carborendum Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Wow. I didn't see this coming. Of all the blue governors, Newsom has agreed to follow the protocol for Inauguration day. Well, good for him. NeuroTypical 1 Quote
Phoenix_person Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 On 1/16/2025 at 8:36 AM, Carborendum said: Wow. I didn't see this coming. Of all the blue governors, Newsom has agreed to follow the protocol for Inauguration day. Well, good for him. Newsom did what he felt was best for his constituents: avoiding starting beef with the new boss on his first day while his state is on fire. Just_A_Guy 1 Quote
LDSGator Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 (edited) 23 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: Newsom did what he felt was best for his constituents: avoiding starting beef with the new boss on his first day while his state is on fire. A cynic would say it’s because Gavin doesn’t want to be seen with/ associated with a guy who lost California by three million votes. Edited January 18 by LDSGator Phoenix_person 1 Quote
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