Palerider

It's sad....but the Venom of a few can drive away many

It's sad....but the Venom of a few can drive away many

Venom, as in people being nasty, mean, bitter, or otherwise unpleasant.

All good in the hood?

Sacrament meeting in the evening.....Primary held during the week. On fast Sunday you never had to go back to church in the evening.

Hey I'm thinking about taking a road trip to Nauvoo in 2016.  Can't go sooner with other trips/obligations this year and next.  Want to go with me in 2016?

I'm going to the Preston England Temple for the first time on the 7th June!!  I'm so excited!  This will be my first time ever at this or any Temple, so what are the do's and don't s for a first Temple visit?

Who moved my cheese? Ah, it's in a better spot now. I am wondering if it will show up on my low res laptop now? Where is that dang laptop...

I am sure with a nice charitable donation you could get it moved where you want...

Sacrament meeting in the evening.....Primary held during the week. On fast Sunday you never had to go back to church in the evening.

One other thing.....at some point after this talk with youth about law of chasity....need to encourage them to involve their parents.

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Collect calling.

She had an extremely strong relationship with Lucy Mack Smith.

Emma never denied her testimony of the church or the Book of Mormon. I believe the relationship between her and Brigham was strained. Most of that had to do with her husband is now dead and all the debt is hanging over her head. She lost her husband and some children and her Mother in law was practically an invalid. Would not make sense for her to go west. She had too much she would had to of left behind. Her son Joseph Smith III did not care for Brigham at all.

I wonder why I am not the only one with this problem

In my opinion ......yes I think he was. Way too many questions. Not sure what he was looking for by continuosly asking for more details. Everyone is caught up in the questions he was supposedly asking.....I was more concerned about the experimenting of drugs.

Councilors are not allowed to talk worthiness issues with anyone. They are suppose to stop interview and get the Bishop involved. If you interview a youth or Sister the door should always be unlocked and with a youth the door could be cracked open. You always want someone sitting outside the door while interviewing a youth or sister. Bishops attend what's called Bishops training and there should learn about interviewing and etc. Sometimes the church physiologist will come around and answer questions during this time. You can also call them anytime on phone and they will help you with situations. I have a brother who is not a member of church but is a physiologist and I would bounce things off him for his opinion.
I had a member who was not active in church for many years. She came back into full activity and eventually approached me and said we need to talk. She stated to me that she did lots of things that were not right and needed to get them off her chest. I said where do we start. She said I have done it all from A- Z. I did not ask any questions in regards to what she just said. I did ask how are you living your life now? She stated I am doing good and it feels great to be back. I said we love you and welcome back ....now let's move forward and assured her that Heavenly Father was pleased and happy with her.
If a youth told me they had broken the law of charity I would ask....how bad did you break it? Meaning were you petting or did you go much further. I don't want to know details I want to know how serious or what lines were crossed. I would also ask if the other person was a member of our church or someone else. Once I have that info I would talk with youth about what was going to happen next to correct situation etc..
I would be very upset to find out it was all recorded without my knowledge or consent.

Outsider pondering string...
 
1.  What is appropriate in LDS interviews concering the LOC?  How many follow-up questions would be appropriate for a spiritual counselor to get a full understanding of what needs to happen?
 
2.  What is the status of the bishop as a counselor?  For example, pastors are not licensed counselors or psychologists.  We often will have one or more courses in short-term pastoral counseling.  Bishops usually would not have even that.  So, it is understood going in that they offer spiritual advise based upon the leading of the Holy Spirit, and upon their life experience.  That's it.  They should be held to the common standards of bishops, not to the professional standards of therapists or counselors or psychologists.
 
3.  As disturbing as some of the questioning may have been, I doubt that a law enforcement investigation will go far.  Spiritual leaders have some protection and privacy expectations during confessionals.  Granted, this is not a Catholic rite.  Nevertheless, it is an established practice in your church.
 
4.  If the interview and temple activity are optional for this age group, and the daughter is angered by it and opposed to it, why press the issue?  Attendance at church should be mandatory, but not spiritual work that assumes willingness and devotion.
 
5.  Recording the interview and posting it was a horrific violation against the bishop--whether he was creepy or not.  Yet, the daughter, according to the narrative, feels justified.  The consequences should be enforced, even if they were not all necessarily what some would recommend.  A decision was made.  None of the restrictions were abusive.  The girl is a teen.  If she determines that it was worth then, for her, it was.
 
6.  If there is a feeling among the parents that the bishop was out of line, then talk with him one more time.  Then, in accordance with church protocol, report it up the line, and let the counsel of many shed light.

When we say Bishops dont receive training is not totally accurate. I cant speak for the whole Church but, it comes down to the Stake Presidents and the training they give to the Bishops. We were always encouraged to make sure door not locked and to leave it partially open and to have someone sitting outside the door. That could be a councilor or parent or even a youth leader.  As for interviewing Youth I personally always used a different set of questions depending on their age. I am not crazy about having a Parent in the room with me while interviewing their son or daughter for two reasons. The first being I would be concerned with getting the young man or woman to open up and feel comfortable and the other reason is....I dont want Mom or Dad answering the questions for their son or daughter or trying to dominate the conversation.
   I have had some very good conversations with the youth when I interviewed them. There were times they told me things and would then ask.....are you going to tell my Parents?? I would reply No i am not....but I think you should. Had a few times where the youth asked if I could get their Parents and bring them into the room.
    Bishops are human and we make mistakes....these callings are hard enough as it is. You get more crap from members sometimes than what you got going door to door as a Missionary. If you have never been a Bishop you have no idea what its like.  The first time I was called I dont think I did a great job at my calling being new and learning what I was suppose to do. I never asked to be called either time, but I am thankfull I was called a second time and I feel like I did a better job the second time around.  Total combined years of serving both times was 11 years.

It might be common sense...but if a new rookie Bishop is clueless he would probally shut the door...not meaning any harm by it....but he would shut it....this one did it numerous times....

When we say Bishops dont receive training is not totally accurate. I cant speak for the whole Church but, it comes down to the Stake Presidents and the training they give to the Bishops. We were always encouraged to make sure door not locked and to leave it partially open and to have someone sitting outside the door. That could be a councilor or parent or even a youth leader.  As for interviewing Youth I personally always used a different set of questions depending on their age. I am not crazy about having a Parent in the room with me while interviewing their son or daughter for two reasons. The first being I would be concerned with getting the young man or woman to open up and feel comfortable and the other reason is....I dont want Mom or Dad answering the questions for their son or daughter or trying to dominate the conversation.
   I have had some very good conversations with the youth when I interviewed them. There were times they told me things and would then ask.....are you going to tell my Parents?? I would reply No i am not....but I think you should. Had a few times where the youth asked if I could get their Parents and bring them into the room.
    Bishops are human and we make mistakes....these callings are hard enough as it is. You get more crap from members sometimes than what you got going door to door as a Missionary. If you have never been a Bishop you have no idea what its like.  The first time I was called I dont think I did a great job at my calling being new and learning what I was suppose to do. I never asked to be called either time, but I am thankfull I was called a second time and I feel like I did a better job the second time around.  Total combined years of serving both times was 11 years.

Spending all day outside exploring without adult supervision.  We were sent out to play and we came home for lunch and dinner.  We had fun.  We never thought of danger.  I feel so bad for kids now.  It's all structured activities or video games.  Spontaneous play and exploration seem to be a thing of the past.

Your not 80 now ???

When we say Bishops dont receive training is not totally accurate. I cant speak for the whole Church but, it comes down to the Stake Presidents and the training they give to the Bishops. We were always encouraged to make sure door not locked and to leave it partially open and to have someone sitting outside the door. That could be a councilor or parent or even a youth leader.  As for interviewing Youth I personally always used a different set of questions depending on their age. I am not crazy about having a Parent in the room with me while interviewing their son or daughter for two reasons. The first being I would be concerned with getting the young man or woman to open up and feel comfortable and the other reason is....I dont want Mom or Dad answering the questions for their son or daughter or trying to dominate the conversation.
   I have had some very good conversations with the youth when I interviewed them. There were times they told me things and would then ask.....are you going to tell my Parents?? I would reply No i am not....but I think you should. Had a few times where the youth asked if I could get their Parents and bring them into the room.
    Bishops are human and we make mistakes....these callings are hard enough as it is. You get more crap from members sometimes than what you got going door to door as a Missionary. If you have never been a Bishop you have no idea what its like.  The first time I was called I dont think I did a great job at my calling being new and learning what I was suppose to do. I never asked to be called either time, but I am thankfull I was called a second time and I feel like I did a better job the second time around.  Total combined years of serving both times was 11 years.