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I know this has been posted once before, but the photo just makes it so much better IMO.

Seeing that Moksha hasn't been banned (yet) by the female mods, perhaps I'll take a chance in posting this one. (just think of it making fun of the simpleness of men, not the complexities of women ) An Engineers View of the Genders

Well, this thread has taken quite a different turn since I first had an idea of what I wanted to share yesterday, but haven't been able to get to until now. I don't disagree with the turn of tone, and LS, I do think that the posts really have your best interest in mind. It may be a little bit of tough love, but it still is love. In my big binder of inspirational stuff I have collected over time is the following story. There is a story about a man who was asleep one night in his cabin when suddenly his room filled with 1ight and the Savior appeared. The Lord told him He had work for him to do, and showed him a large rock, explaining that he was to push against the rock with all his might. This the man did, and for many years he toiled from sun up to sun down, his shoulder set squarely against the cold, massive face of the rock pushing with all his might. Each night the man returned to his cabin sore and worn out, feeling that his whole day had been spent in vain. Seeing that the man was showing signs of discouragement, Satan decided to enter the picture, placing thoughts into the mans mind such as, “Why kill yourself over this, you're never going to move it" or "Boy you've been at it here for a long time and you haven't even scratched the surface", etc, giving the man the impression that his task was impossible and that he was unworthy and an unprofitable servant because he wasn't moving the massive stone. These thoughts discouraged and disheartened the man and he started to ease up in his efforts. "Why kill myself" he thought, I'll just put in my time putting forth just the minimum and that will be good enough". And that he did, or at least planned on doing until he decided to take his troubles to the Lord. "Lord" he said, "I have labored long and hard in thy service, putting forth all my strength to do that which you have asked me, yet after all this time I haven't even budged that rock half a millimeter! What is wrong? Why am I failing?" To this the Lord responded compassionately, "My Friend... when long ago I asked you to serve me and you accepted, I told you to push against the rock with all your strength, and that you have done. But never once did I mention unto you that I expected you to move it! At least not all by yourself. Your task was to push. And now you have come to me, your strength spent, thinking that you have failed and ready to quit. But is that really so? Look at yourself – your arms are strong and muscled, your back sinewed and brown, your hands are calloused and able to carry heavy loads from constant pressure, and your legs have become massive and hard. Through opposition you have grown much and your ability now far surpasses that which you used to have, yet you still haven't succeeded in moving the rock, and you come to me with a heavy heart and your strength spent. I my friend will move the rock. Your calling was to be obedient and to push, and to exercise your faith and trust in my wisdom, and this you have done. Sometimes our weaknesses are not lifted in order that we may learn to become strong ourselves. It’s not a curse. It is something that we can be thankful for with the proper perspective. Perhaps it is best that we not ask for trials to be lifted, for that could be seeking our own will, which may be contrary to His. But to ask that our shoulders and backs be strengthened to be able to do the work assigned to us. I lost my mother 13 years ago next week. There is another woman that I consider to be a surrogate mother of sorts. She wrote to me recently in light of the idea that some trials are for our growth, not necessarily for us to overcome: “I am sorry the [] saga continues, but you are going through something that will give you much eternal depth. [] without trials our lives here are nothing more than a one night stay in a 2nd class hotel. You are getting your money's worth on this journey.” Be sure you are getting your money’s worth too LS by continuing to push every day. Even if you never overcome this problem in this life before passing on, so long as you were pushing to change, you will have grown in spiritual strength, and will qualify for the marriage to the Bridegroom – thereby overcoming all. But, as people are trying to remind you - pushing with your might doesn't include giving up because of obstacles and difficulties. It includes pushing despite obstacles and difficulties. It isn't helpful to allow obstacles to become our focus of attention rather than maintaining the achievement of our goals as our focus. We will go where our vision/focus is directed.

You realize it is put in a condescending manner, and still decide to post it that way? Do you really think we haven't seen this type of spin job before? Seems to me this post fits well under Vort's thread about dishonesty.

I think you have a good point and perspective. However, even though I have a very sharp memory (I think that is me anyway - can't remember if that was me or my brother that had the memory issues ), I need to be reminded from time to time of some of the very things that LS has been reminded of. It's all too easy to fall into the adveseary's trap line of thinking. As far as I'm concerned LS, keep coming back to get remindes whenever you need it. (but seek out an ADHD dr too!) DOH! couldn't help myself.

Hey Coyotemoon, we would love to have you out here in UT. If you get some job leads, I'd be more than willing to help you get acquainted out here. And yes, as of late, I am very familiar with the loneliness of rejection. We've been best of pals - hanging out together a lot lately. Awesome reminder you give us to remember to tell our brothers and sisters we love them. We could all do better to lift and enjoy each other.

An article that I found helpful, which Hemidakota posted a link to four months back is the following. It has some good thoughts about how the adversary tries to use our thoughts to drag us down. The Amazing Connection Between Thoughts and Feelings

Of course I care bro. Wish I had something else for you to try. But I think you know what I would suggest anyway, so I'll keep it to myself this time. Have you by chance ever listened to the Paul Dunn tape (yes, the copy I have is from before the age of CD's) "Life is a Game of Football"? Get a copy if you haven't heard it. He recounts this idea that life is . . . a game of football. And when we come to earth, we get a "uniform". But, it's not a new "uniform" since this is just the terrestrial phase of the game. Instead, he likens life to getting used uniforms. Being used, many of them come with flaws. Some people get uniforms that are very tall, some very short, some quite . . . well, fat. Some of us get even more *broken* uniforms - some uniforms are quite broken, and need the assistance of wheelchairs. Others still have neurochemical imbalances that we have to deal with. I trust we all knew of the potential for these flaws, and how hard it might be to deal with, but I also trust we were ecstatic to get the possibility to 'play' despite these potential challenges. You might have even understood back then LS how your body's shortcomings in this world would present serious struggles for you. Look at all of this in the eternal perspective, not the perspective of now. With how you do try to fight this, how you do want what is right, IMO this is not a problem of your spirit. IMO, if is the effects of a flawed body. Treat the issue as such.

Add to that chronic sleep apnea.

Perhaps intended dual meanning? No, simply bad spelling.

It doesn't matter if women "won" some things or men "won" some things (and yes, I do understand that the claim that men won is intended to be facetious). The traditional family unit has lost, and therefore, society looses. The change has caused it to be much more difficult to create and sustain the fundamental building block of society - the family. With the supply/demand dynamics of the workforce shifting so dramatically with the wholesale entrance of women to the workforce, it is much harder to support a family on one income than it was in my father's or grandfather's day. Women who wish to choose the role of stay-at-home-mother have much less opportunity to do so than before because of the fundamental shift in wage profiles from one-income feasibility to two-income necessity. Rights and fairness could have been obtained IMO without the same level of consequences. Society looses to the gain of the selfish.

Wow. This is a great example of what "looking beyond the mark" will do to a person.

You forgot one of my pet peeves: F. A brand new, or very recent new member makes a post that starts off: "A friend of mine has this problem. You see, they . . ." And they proceed to describe the event/problem in greater detail than most any friend would be aware of.

See The Miracle of Forgiveness. Elder Kimball does address unforgivable sins in one of the chapters. Shedding of innocent blood appears to be one of the keys to what is forgivable and what is not.

First, You asked for "suggestions on how I can fix this". Just be sure you understand you cannot fix this. He has to fix who he is, and what he is doing wrong. Talking to a member of the ward about him when he didn't want that is not such a huge mistake that it takes great steps to fix it. Shouldn't your husband be thinking about casting the beam out of his own eye first? Have you tried counseling? If he is unwilling, that may be the sign that he is unwilling to work on the marriage. And, as I had to be reminded by a friend recently, any marriage takes two people desperately working to make it successful. If it is only you trying to make it work, it generally won't work. I worry that given the nature of his actions, you are falling into the trap of the abused. Sure, talking to the first counselor might not have been the best of all possible choices, but you did not make a huge mistake that needs fixing, or justifies a temper tantrum. My assignment for you: Visit You Are Not Crazy

(This isn't even an argument. Simply a veiled attempt to cast dispute on something that I provided source on when asked. And he simply didn't respond to). Whoa! Are we having a bad day or something? I can't go a whole three hours without responding without something like this? Sorry, my employer comes first, breaks for my own interest are a far lesser priority. Geesh!

You really think that is an accurate fact?

IMO, the Miracle of Forgiveness is not a book for someone already repentant. What a downer it is when you already know what you did was wrong. I feel there is too little hope given, and therefore think it is a book best used to humble the unrepentant. But not a book for the repetant who already feels miserable. Seek balance. Read Believing Christ by Stephen Robinson. Congrats on taking the hard steps. Good luck to you and your wife. Now it's time to correct your misunderstandings of the atonement by reading writings specifically on the topic.

Then you mislead us. You said: In addition, you used: "hatred for the church", "hatred towards the church", "livid" because it was against his will, etc, but say now he is not that angry. One that is willing to take the chances of being a fence sitter can’t rightly blame others if they fall from that precarious position. Blame shifting, control, anger - those are the very issues that prevented him from having a happier marriage, or feeling the Spirit well enough to have the necessary testimony. WE are the only ones responsible for our own destiny. Others may have impacts, but those are negligible compared to our own efforts and choices in how we will respond to adversity. Humility and recognition of the true problems are in order. Its time to look in the mirror and face the truth rather than looking for justification, isn't it dedge? I was not able to baptize my daughter because of a perfect storm of timing, family trips, gossip and falsehoods, and my own limited attendance at the time. It hurts like the dickens just thinking about it even though it’s been more than 2.5 years. As much as I want to blame someone else, deep down, I know I am the only one that holds ultimate responsibility for the situation. So believe me, I can understand why he would be upset and hurt. But the chosen response so far has been inappropriate and only highlights where the true problem lies.

Then listen to . Those emails regarding 'hide the decline' are insignificant. There is plenty of other evidence out there that fraud has been perpetrated to mislead people.

Thanks for that graph Changed. Your post reminds me of an interview of John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel I heard earlier this year. In no uncertain terms he calls CO2 induced global warming a hoax, and points out that solar flare activity more closely aligns with trends in global temps. An archive of his interview is available from the Utah radio station KSL.com - Interview with John Coleman The interview starts in the 8th minute of the podcast. How many here are aware of the Report of Over 700 Dissenting Scientists? That is far more scientists than the very limited number that actually had input into the UN's report on climate change.

Bcguy, I could pick apart each and every part of that post. I appreciate you posting your thoughts, and don’t wish to single you out. But it does need to be pointed out that you have been fed many fallacies – fallacies that many many people have believed without verifying. What you need to do is listen to

Right? Perhaps not. Is it really so 'bad' that the kids were baptized? What makes me sick is not that two kids baptized w/o their fathers explicit permission, but what the father did to put himself into that position, and the apparent lack of humility (based on what is written) to recognize his own inputs into the problem! Kids getting baptized is never so wrong as giving them a bad example of how to mistreat a spouse. Being livid, the hatred, and considering legal action is all evidence of the problems that he is causing himself. Evidence that a true friend would gently point out to him IMO.

Welcome. That is an crazy and unfortunate set of circumstances you are facing. So, the deployment call came, then she said she wants a divorce just before shipping out? Is that right? I wonder if she was just overwhelmed and lashing out.

Because PETA and HSUS believe that it is better to 'release' and animal through death than to allow it to remain in "suffering" conditions. HSUS leaders believe that euthanasia for dogs is better than dogs remaining at home, alone, while their owners work for 8+ hours. The leaders of these groups do not think logically, and that is why it is hard to grasp "why would they do that".