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I wouldn't call that cheating Yed. This day and age more and more is available in formats like that. I see nothing wrong with doing it that way verses reading. Sometimes audible sinks in better than reading anyway.

I miss him as well and would love to send him a note. I would like to know if someone hears from him as well.

Now make sure you all click on the PayPal donation button so Heather can buy more bandwidth. lol

That was great PC

I use my spoons up on my kids... When I first read your response I thought you said "I use my spoons ON my kids." I was going to say now now now...

What they don't have chocolate in heaven? Then forget it. I'm not going.

Dr. T would just like to have an avatar so he can respond to what it means to him. I bet his would be a cat.

Were you directing that at me?????

It's called an Egyghtorur. It signifies the tragedy and pathos of hamartia and more importantly, haruspication. Keep the faith... out. huh?

Mine is just Gingy from the Shrek movies. Gingy was my favorite character.

Ahhhh now I understand. I'm sorry. I guess I missed that link at the beginning.

I'm a little lost. What is the spoon theory?

This is one of my favorite quotes about courage. You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You must do the thing which you think you cannot do. Eleanor Roosevelt

I still have too much vanity for that.

It was a very long process, Pam...I suffered for years before the doctor decided that it was Fibro. Maybe he just gave up and slapped me with the diagnoses...but it fits...Fibro...means: muscular, and myalgia...means: pain. So, fibromialgia just basically means: muscle pain. It is a generic term to mean just what it says, Muscle pain. I had the points test, too. I fit all the criteria for fibromyalgia...and nothing has been very successful at helping. I tried water therapy, pain killers, exorcise...I still do all those things, but I still suffer...I have just learned to live with it as best as I can...The pain is constant...but it has become like "white noise" Kind of, some days are worse than others...but mostly, I just ignore the pain. What else can I do? Even with the treatment for sleep apnea...I still feel much of that pain. There are nights I can't sleep I'm in so much pain and it all feels to come from muscles. I toss and turn trying to find a comfortable position and just can't. With the treatment for sleep apnea at least my chronic fatigue has tapered off. I don't feel like I have to sleep my weekend away any longer. But the pain still persists. But then again...maybe it's from being on my feet 10 hours or more a day sometimes 10 days straight. I am learning unfortunately to rely on Tylenol PM. I don't want to sound like a whiner. I am learning to deal with it and most times I keep this all to myself and endure it by myself. That is probably why you can catch me online at times at 3 a.m. ME TOO!!! My worst is nightime and getting in and out of cars!!!! haha I can TOTALLY relate to that one. Once I am done with work, I get into my car, I feel fine...but by the time I drive home it is all I can do to get out of the car. My kids have literally had to help me out of the car. Sometimes I feel like I'm 80 years old. No comment from Ben or Pale please.

It was a very long process, Pam...I suffered for years before the doctor decided that it was Fibro. Maybe he just gave up and slapped me with the diagnoses...but it fits...Fibro...means: muscular, and myalgia...means: pain. So, fibromialgia just basically means: muscle pain. It is a generic term to mean just what it says, Muscle pain. I had the points test, too. I fit all the criteria for fibromyalgia...and nothing has been very successful at helping. I tried water therapy, pain killers, exorcise...I still do all those things, but I still suffer...I have just learned to live with it as best as I can...The pain is constant...but it has become like "white noise" Kind of, some days are worse than others...but mostly, I just ignore the pain. What else can I do? Even with the treatment for sleep apnea...I still feel much of that pain. There are nights I can't sleep I'm in so much pain and it all feels to come from muscles. I toss and turn trying to find a comfortable position and just can't. With the treatment for sleep apnea at least my chronic fatigue has tapered off. I don't feel like I have to sleep my weekend away any longer. But the pain still persists. But then again...maybe it's from being on my feet 10 hours or more a day sometimes 10 days straight. I am learning unfortunately to rely on Tylenol PM. I don't want to sound like a whiner. I am learning to deal with it and most times I keep this all to myself and endure it by myself. That is probably why you can catch me online at times at 3 a.m.

Here is my 2 cents on it. Nephi saw the "Bible" or book from the mouth of the jews in the vision after Lehi saw the tree of life. Thus he knew that a book was to come that many would follow. I am sure since he was a Prophet the lord told him to write about the "Book" that gentiles would say was all the word of God. I believe the Plates did not say "Bible" but Joseph since he is a prophet himself knew that was the book referred to by the power of God was/is the Bible. Here we go again!! Another arguement like the one over the word: Adieu...OK, let me see if I can make this simple for you......The Book of Mormon is a TRANSLATION...not an original!!! The man who TRANSLATED it certainly knew the word "Bible"...so did G-d, Nephi was a prophet...he may or may not have understood exactly what he was saying about future attitudes, but he wrote what G-d told him to write and G-d told Joseph Smith what that symbles on the plates ment...in short, G-d knew what he was talking about and it certainly IS the truth! I came out of a Baptist church...we said this!! These passages touched me as I read them for the first time...I know G-d was speaking to me threw the prophets that I was wrong to assume that the Bible was the ONLY word of G-d...besides...the word "Bible" means: Books...(note the "s" at the end of that word) whoa calm down there was no arguement intented. I am LDS and know this is the word of God. I had come to that thought myself "The man who TRANSLATED it certainly knew the word "Bible" I was just asking other LDS members to see if what they thought is what I thought. Sorry!! didn't mean to get all "testy", just thought I was dealing with another "troll" It gets old, after a while!!! It ok I understand I should have been more detailed in my first post Interesting take on it. Perhaps you should have put in your 10 cents worth.

Of course this is just my opinion. But the word Bible doesn't always have to literally mean the bible as we know it. Bible can be any collections of writings that constitute the sacred text of a religion. Perhaps he was referring to some sacred writings of his time. I think it's a very good question.

What a beautiful and thought provoking post!!! I too, have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia...and I struggle with not only the pain, but the attitude of friends and acquaintances who JUST don't get it!!! They cannot see the struggle I face every day...they wonder why I don't just find a job!!! The chronic fatigue that goes along with the fibro can be so debilitating!!! I struggle with depression because I am not as active as I used to be and as a consequence...I have gained weight. People who know nothing about this disorder just assume that I am lazy or that I eat too much, both are wrong assumptions, but I get harshly judged by people who claim to be my friends as well...even my Bishop, who I KNOW cares deeply for me, does not understand and continues to advise me to look for work and work towards self sufficiency...I am in SSDI right now, and not many people in my ward understand the concept of disability. (well, they do...but only if the disability is one that is obvious to the outside...hidden ones tend to be invalidated, that has been my experience) Thanks for bringing this out in such an eloquent way, Charley!!! BTW...I also agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY about how other religions can give insight and truth...I too...read and study up on other religions as well...I have been influenced by some of the things I have come across and have incorporated them into my belief system. i noticed yourself and several others had similar illnesses I thought it would be nice to talk about it as something positive, I have tried support groups and whilst Idon't mind whining about my illness, over the last few years I am just feeling like I have got past that stage and actually my illness has have given me a lot in my life I would not have had without it, yes it has taken my dreams but I would have been a very different person, personally I think such a large number of Latter Day Saints have the illness because it can give us glimpses and understandings of heaven -Charley Ok I had the standard tests to check I wasn't dying or it wasn't something gixable. Then they checked for the pressure points about my body you are supposed to have at least 11 out of 18 for them to diagnose you. I do think its really the diagnosis that Doctors give when they don't know what is wrong. In my own case there is a family history of the illness, my Auntie, my Gran and my Brother all have it plus a Great Great Aunt on my Dads side probably did Thanks. I knew about the pressure point tests. I didn't qualify due to that. Both doctors I visited said that many general practitioners are not that familiar with the condition. That is why it is overly diagnosed. But both specialist told me that many other things need to be ruled out before diagnosing as fibromyalgia. One of them being sleep apnea. Now THAT I have. Many of the symptoms of sleep apnea can "trigger" some of the fibromyalgia symptons. One I was tested and diagnosed with sleep apnea, started the treatment, so many of the other things that could be associated with fibromyalgia disappeared. But many of the things you discussed I can also relate to the sleep apnea...so thanks for the posts.

May I ask how you two were diagnosed? I have been to specialists and even discussed with them the possibility of having the same thing. Both doctors said it is the most overly diagnosed disease. Most doctors (after not able to find any other answers) will just say it's fibromyalgia. Plus don't misunderstand my reason for asking...I'm just curious how they came up with it for you? Supposedly there is only one test they can do to determine it is actually that.

Kind of to go along with that six....a Stake President explained to us that certain feelings due to addictions would follow us as well. Such as smoking. You would still feel that nicotine withdrawal but unfortunately never have the cigarettes to satisfy. So sort of a living hell in that aspect. How would you like having a nicotine fit for eternity? I had not thought of that talk in years. This subject just brought back that memory.

Oh whatever Snow. Knock off the humble act. You know you are quite the opposite. haha

Kind of hard for quantities not to go up playing the word association and new word game.

The US Postal Service has issued a recall of a stamp they created with a picture of now US Senator Hillary Clinton to honor her achievements while serving as the First Lady of our nation. The problem was discovered when claims had been made that the stamp was not sticking to envelopes, and that mail which had been sent using the 'Hillary' postage was not being delivered. Senator Clinton demanded a full investigation into the allegations. A special Postal Service Investigation team was formed and after several months and many dollars spent, made the following findings: *The stamp was manufactured properly. *There was nothing wrong with the adhesive. *People were just spitting on the wrong side.

My opinion...he would eventually find out that you did it anyway. Wouldn't that cause even more of a problem?