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The bolded sounds like a good measure. When my wife gets a calling, I typically raise my hand to sustain her on Sunday, and roll up my sleeves to sustain her on Wednesday (and it is usually the same deal for her with my callings). If he feels that this system is too taxing, then as others mentioned he can counsel with the Bishop about his concerns and solutions.

Joseph Smith taught that the Nephites had apostles among them. The Book of Mormon "tells us that our Savior made his appearance upon this continent after his resurrection; that he planted the gospel here in all its fullness, and richness, and power, and blessing; that they had apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists; the same order, the same priesthood, the same ordinances, gifts, powers, and blessings as were enjoyed on the eastern continent" (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 538). The Nephite desciples may not have held keys to direct the work for the world, but they must have held some keys in order to direct the work in the New World (considering that they will judge the Lehites the way the original apostles will judge the 12 tribes).

Jasher 4:18-19

This is a "Babe" - there's lots more to love.

So you call all of your men "Willis"?

I am shocked this thread is still going. I mean, you're not even trying to veil the discussion anymore. One more post about this political (t)issue and Rule 8 will lock this thread up like it's a Batman villain - you know, you'll forget about it for a bit and then it will spring back into lively action when the other stories are lagging.

Wouldn't you feel safer in hell if you had a Glock with you?

With all due respect, the foundational belief(s) upon which the LDS Church either stands or falls is 1)God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith and commissioned him to do a great work, the strongest evidence of which is 2)the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God. That is where our perspectives of the Atonement, the Apostasy, Salvation, Eternal Progression, the Fall, Spiritual Gifts, Revelation, the Millennium, etc stem from. It implies that anyone who relies solely on history to proof an article of faith is employing the wrong methodology. Yes, yes it would. I remind you that the Apostasy refers to a loss of authority, and the belief that said authority exists or has ever existed is a matter of faith. I think you will also find evidence of God throughout history if you look through the lens of faith. No, you asked for "evidences" and then held them up to a standard of proof. Yes, yes I am. There are some good evidences, and I think they've been shown to you, but I don't think this is a proof matter. Oh, but it is. 281,312 persons in 2011 found it a convincing argument.

That would only be a problem if you were looking for objective, incontrovertible proof. If, however, you simply want "a real Mormon response" that isn't limited "to just ... historical evidence", then you'll have to recognize that it comes from our history and our revelations. Jesus told Joseph Smith that the creeds were abominations. Nephi sees the plain and precious teaching of the gospel corrupted by schemers. When Joseph is given authority to baptize, he is not referred to any duly ordained preacher, like Sidney Rigdon for instance, instead an angel must give him what is no longer on the earth.

Ah yes, old Israel's pattern of prayer.

Why was anything written on the paper?

We don't have an instructor for my Elders quorum. Everyone is expected to arrive with the lesson read and prepared for discussion. One of the Elders is then called on to teach at the start of the hour. We've had some really excellent discussions.... And really lousy attendance. *This story is fictional and is in no way meant to represent or resemble actual quorums past or present. Very few elders were harmed in the making of this story, and they all had it coming to them.

And they always look AMAZING!!!!!

I see it through stewardship-colored lenses. If I am not to be cast out and my talent given to another, I had better double it. I came to earth and was given a body, and I'll be *day-gummed* [edited by 'Mater] if I don't return with twice that body. Or for the philosophically inclined: Plato had 5 perfect solids, and the most perfect of all these was a sphere. I am trying my utmost for perfection.

Well, I guess you just saved me from reading the last 40 pages of the HG Wells book. I agree that the Cruise film should not have been made, it was way past it's time. In defense of the film though, the two aspects you deride are true to the novel. The murder is the most uncomfortable part of the whole story. And although it's in the original, the virus undoing the alien overlords definitely needs a modern update if you're going to adapt it to film. Which is why the Couple Book Club I'm in will watch Independence Day when we've finished reading it :).

I hear to celebrate the occasion, single women over 50 got into the game for free.

He'll always be Sharkboy to me.

I haven't yet (knock on [cat's ] wood[en leg]). You'll also be pleased to know that you can store a lot of soup in a swimming pool. Won ton to be exact.

Needs modifications: 1. The Kool Aid is free 2. The Kool Stuff will cost you 3. PROFIT!!!!

My dog IS my MRE.

In the past I would bake a cake with your run-of-the-mill caffeine soda, since all the caffeine cooks out of it. We'll have to see how I like drinking it now that I've gotten the OK.

Those children are obedient because of their "stripes". And if you were a true Christian, you wouldn't miss.

It is completely relevant to counter your statement that the "church is a world bound institution - in heaven there will be no church". In the canonical description of heaven, the inhabitants belong to two different churches. In your dictionary, the 5th definition of a church is "that part of the whole Christian body, or of a particular denomination, belonging to the same city, country, nation, etc." That part of the whole Christian body belonging to the same celestial kingdom is the Church of the Firstborn. I didn't realize from your earlier post that you only thought a literal marriage was "a crazy idea". In fact, let me repost what you wrote. "first of all christ being married to church is crazy idea, there is no refrence to it anywhere and there is no need for it eather". If you only meant literally, then I wholeheartedly agree and you can treat this post and the one previous as a strawman to be ignored. I thought you meant that even a metaphorical understanding of the Church as the bride of Christ was not referenced anywhere, and that is what I addressed (and will again address in this post). Your profile says you're male, but you can accept being a bride? Either you and I have a very different understanding of role of marriage, or else you are able to understand metaphors (but refuse to accept the metaphor of the Church as a bride). Good, so we both agree the City of New Jerusalem is the bride. In my mind, that's synonymous with the City of Zion as a bride. Is that leap of logic what's so crazy? If I show that connection, will you cede that the idea of the Church as bride is not so crazy and unreferenced? My issues with the word of wisdom are a non-sequiter. Let's keep on point. My quip of the Church of the Former-day Saints was in reference to the City of New Jerusalem mentioned in Revelation. D&C 65 supports the idea that the modern Church should become the bride of Christ. I should have just started here. So Christ's bride is the LDS as a people but not a church? I don't think you understand the definition of church. You should review your link, with a special emphasis on definition 4: "( sometimes initial capital letter ) any division of this body [of Christians] professing the same creed and acknowledging the same ecclesiastical authority; [as in] a Christian denomination: the Methodist Church."

Some of the non-references that don't exist anywhere: Christ is the bridegroom: John 3:27-30 John speaks of himself as the friend of the bridegroom (letting us know he is talking symbolically). So who is the bride?Revelation 19:5-9 Revelation 21:2 Sounds like the bride is the Church of Former-day Saints here.Doctrine and Covenants 65:3,5 Sounds like the Church of Latter-day Saints is playing the role of bride.In heaven, there is a church: Doctrine and Covenants 76:54 Doctrine and Covenants 76:67 Doctrine and Covenants 76:71 Doctrine and Covenants 76:94 Doctrine and Covenants 76:102

Although the OP is citing the "third part" phrase from the D&C, it is a phrase lifted from the Revelation of St John the Divine. Not only does he use it to describe those spirits who followed Lucifer, but the phrase comes up time and time again (or should that be time and times and half a time again?) referring to the destruction of the world. Revelation 8:7-12 Revelation 9:15 Revelation 9:18