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So long as we're dealing with soteriological hypotheticals: Did Hitler increase his chances for salvation by being the guy that killed Hitler?

Mormon's account of the Amlicites suggests to me that even Mormon might not have fully understood the nature of the mark. To a person 400 years removed from the free mingling of a "remnant" society (when it didn't matter if you were Lamanite or Nephite by lineage - if you're alive you're part of the new society), the difference between the two Sneetch tribes is forehead paint. ? ? ? In contrast, the more contemporary accounts that we have from Nephi and Jacob use the stronger language and make it sound like the only way a Nephite would receive the Lamanite curse and accompanying mark is to have children with them, and more specifically the curse is on those children (see 2 Nephi 5).

Not necessarily to serve in the Temple, but Melchizedek and Jethro are both described as priests outside of the Levitical order. Come to think of it, Catholics have priests who aren't associated with the Temple. And correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they're required to prove Aaronic descent.

@Jamie123 Thanks for participating in this thread. I know we have some people on this board who are friendlier towards socialism than I am and who support Bernie Sanders' democratic socialism. This question is directed to them: Do you agree with Traveler's definition of what socialism is?

Fun fact: when the Jerusalem temple is finally built Satan will be bound in the cornerstone. Then 1000 years later when the temple needs renovation curious saints will open the cornerstone and loose him.

That's why humans extincted them so hard.

Yes, the video says the photographs of Joseph and Hyrum are damaged beyond repair, but they are not the originals.

How will the vaccine help? My understanding based on the "flatten the curve" models I've looked at is that the assumption is that a supermajority of the population will get it. From there, there's basically 3 groups: those who will die regardless, those who can recover on their own, and those who will die unless they get professional medical assistance. The idea behind flattening the curve was to try to minimize deaths among the third group by ensuring availability of hospital beds. If we had a vaccine today (or even 3 months ago), how much does that change the grouping? Will that make it so that enough people move from group 3 to group 1 that we no longer worry about group 2 overwhelming the hospitals and preventing group 3 from receiving life-saving care? Or would that mean that we would still try to flatten the curve, but we would be a full one or two phases further along?

Gotta say, I like this rebranding and hope it becomes more popular than the official one. Lady A********* had better take notice.

This is what got me thinking on the idea: It's part of an essay B.H. Roberts wrote in the introduction of History of the Church, vol. 4. It would give cities more power within their states, and possibly on the national level, but would separate their interests from the rest of the state.

Thanks for engaging. It sounds to me like Roman Catholics acknowledge that some of the principles taught through temple worship (such as the atoning death of the Messiah) continued to be taught but now used different symbols. Additionally, some forms of worship that revolved around the temple and feast day sabbaths were "democratized" (there's probably a better word for it) into local community worship. John recognized the messianic symbolism of the Paschal meal, but Christ introduced the Lord's Supper for remembrance. On top of that, those things that survived the transition from the Law of Moses (specifically priesthood) carried over some of the liturgical practices and symbols. But even in this case, some were modified to reflect the new covenant. Please let me know if I've gotten anything wrong. For Latter-day Saints, we believe that many of the principles taught in the temple continue to be taught. Some of these principles (such as the atoning death of the Messiah, man's ascent through grace, and the return to God's presence) continue to be taught in modern temples but use different physical symbols. Some temple practices have been democratized so more of the community may participate (as you noted with women participating in the ordinance alongside those with the Melchizedek priesthood) and so that they may be performed within the community (such as the sacrament example used above and our solemn assemblies). Some symbols still carried over (for instance, some of our temples have a holy of holies apart from the celestial room) but even in this case, they have been modified to reflect the new covenant (others may enter the holy of holies, but it will only be under the direction of the presiding high priest). Additionally we have other practices that have been restored that have been placed under the umbrella of temple worship. For example, we perform baptisms for the dead in the temple because we have a revelation specifically telling us that it should be performed in the temple. The revelation notes that if the saints are too poor to have a temple then they may perform it elsewhere. We find mention of baptisms for the dead in the New Testament and suppose that the former saints had this practice. I don't think anyone claims that it was ever performed in the Jerusalem temple, and if you'd like we can discuss that as a follow up. I may be in the minority here, but I think some elements of our temple worship are original to our day but still rightfully belong in the temple. That is, even if we had all the secret records and the oral traditions of the Jerusalem temple we still wouldn't find these practices. The Nauvoo temple was built so the Lord could "reveal unto my church things which have been kept hid from before the foundation of the world, things that pertain to the dispensation of the fulness of times." Because we don't have a closed canon, modern deuteronomists can update temple worship practice in accordance with the Lord's authority and revelation. Hope this helps.

What do you think about granting city-state status to cities that grow sufficiently large? Give them their own electoral votes separate from the rest of the state, and their own Representatives but maybe no Senators (consistent with today)?

1. I appreciate that this is getting done on the local level instead of the state or national. Let them try it and if it works let others adopt it. If it doesn't then the damage is relatively small. 2. Sounds like they're trying to split police work into violent and non-violent work. I'd like to hear from @mirkwood how reasonable is the assumption that a routine traffic stop only ends with a ticket or a warning, and how often does it include an arrest from outstanding warrants, or conflict escalation, or some other thing. 3. Something I learned from when my wife was on the HOA board: People want the problem solved - as long as you're the one solving it. Put it back on them and they don't complain as loud (or they rise to the challenge and everyone wins). In an effort to include local policing that represents the community, your senior year of high school you are paired up with experienced LEO to police your neighborhood.

Full disclosure, MG is a huge Shaq fan so that's probably why he's raving.

Interesting. So pre-Christian served as a template to symbolically show the faithful their source for redemption. Do I have that right? Did early Christians have their own symbols, rituals, or practices to point to the first advent of the sinless Lamb of God? Were prayer and praising God* part of pre-Christian temple worship? Why do you suppose that continued, and sacrifice did not? I see you identify as Catholic (I'm assuming Roman, but regardless) - part of the pre-Christian temple ritual included washing, anointing, and investiture of priests (not just high priests, but priests) as well as kings. Did any of these practices continue? What about the principles (if any) behind the practice? *I excluded evangelism because I figured it probably wasn't part of pre-Christian temple practice, but you note that there was a place for the gentiles to gather so you can feel free to include that in your response.

The American flag is a talisman that converts people to conservatism. https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/20/shock-study-us-flag-only-boosts-gop#:~:text=Just a brief exposure to an image of,study just published in the scholarly Psychological Science.

@anatess2 When you type '@' followed by some characters you should get a dropdown. If you select the name from the dropdown you get the tagging. If not, you get plain text.

Thanks for engaging. You've focused largely on the 4th question about the temple in the New Testament, but left the others largely untouched. Unfortunately, this means even the 4th is unanswered because I'm not sure what remains the same and what has changed if I don't know what the Old Testament system was. This time, instead of stating the negative (what was not involved in temple worship), could you state it in positive terms (the questions are even framed in a way to prompt that sort of answer)? And just to clarify, the first 3 questions are intended for the pre-Christ period. Imagine an Israelite from the period of Isaiah or even the Maccabean period.

Are you a member of the Tea Party? I hear they’ve been yanked around by the IRS in the past.

And just like that, I've reached my limit for contributing to this thread.

Some time ago I saw a video giving a guided virtual tour through the ancient tabernacle. Although the ritual described was different from the rituals we have today, it showed that the underlying meaning remains largely the same though the symbols themselves have been changed. If I were a helpful person I would link to the video so @Jonah and others could watch it for themselves.

You've gotten responses to your questions in this thread, but I'm not sure if these responses actually answer your questions since there's always another waiting in the wings. Perhaps we should take a step back and ensure we're really communicating with each other. Would you mind taking a moment and sharing your understanding of ancient temple worship? 1. What were the major physical and liturgical elements of the temple? 2. How did a person participate in temple worship? 3. What salvific effect, if any, did temple worship have? Could the average Israelite be saved without participating in temple worship? 4.How did temple worship change for the New Testament church? Did any elements continue?

So........ after 2 weeks moving buddy won’t have to bother wearing a mask since he’s already been through the ringer, right?