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This has to be factually incorrect... One can be unworthy to hold a recommend and yet still be permitted to wear the garments. If you are allowed to wear the garments without a recommend then you need to be able to replace the garment without a recommend. The recommend is simply a very common way to get the membership ID number

It shouldn't be... But I find that people in general set themselves up as a standard of what is normal (I know I do) When this happens anyone who is more or less is off on some freakish abnormality

That could very well be true... It would all depend on the Secret Service's take on what would be required. Something we can only really guess at

Currently the forum shows 9 active members. Pretty much if you want to post you are going to be interacting with a very small pool of users right now

I've heard that... I do not know how true that it. I have heard that for security clearances being LDS is a positive. (Clearly it take more that that for a clearance)

We have never had a Mormon President so this is all speculation Back when I served a mission in the DC the White House was covered by a branch. Whatever replaced that branch now would be the location he should go. Of course the Church would most likely work with the Secret Service to make sure security is good enough and that might require a relocation. While permission has been given for people (mostly the sick) to take the sacrament elsewhere... the entire meeting probably not. Most likely it will answered with whatever they figure out for question 1 That would depend entirely on how secure the Service Service felt the temple was. If they feel the need for lots of man power then probably not. But if he could get buy with 1 or 2 in the temple then more likely. Of course if a Mormon president comes with alot of trusted Mormon friends/advisors/staff that could easily change the population dynamics causing various boundary changes and ward/branch alterations

When I close a thread for no other reason then age I do it for much the same reason Mahone. I have a hard time remembering what I did yesterday so I figure very few people want to try to figure out what they were thinking years ago. That being said if something in a closed necro'd thread, strikes your interest. Start a new thread, generate new interest, with out carrying over baggage from what went before.

For me its when I feel it perverts or otherwise twists that which should be special and holy into something common. In essence degrading it. I do understand that each person will have a different level at which this will happen for them.

Ok nonsense coming up 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. On the Ning Nang Nong Where the cows go Bong! and the monkeys all say BOO! There's a Nong Nang Ning The Crankadox leaned o'er the edge of the moon, And wistfully gazed on the sea Where the Gryxabodill madly whistled a tune To the air of "Ti-fol-de-ding-dee." Can I go back to making sense now?

You do realize that Name and Birthdate can be entered into the system to get your membership number?... which is also written on the Temple Recommend. So basically its two different paths to getting to the same place. Confirmation that you are a member.

Well sometime they just aren't fresh, hip, fashionable or current enough... I mean by definition they are SO last year...

You can get your membership number from the ward clerk. Physical stores can be found here Store Locations - LDS Online Store

Hi John... Welcome to the site... Quite a few of us here love to answer questions and give advice. When you are ready to ask please start a new thread in the area most fitting for your question/concern.

This thread is three years old Closed

There is no magic bullet here... No magic words that is going to make his words unsaid. This calls for long, detailed, and heartfelt talks with your husband to work through the agreements and understandings you have together, and see where you really do stand. It seems most likely that your Husband sincerely meant his agreement when it was just a logical thought exercise. But now that it is more a reality his non logical or rational but very real 'issues' are coming out.

When I blessed my kids the Bishop told me any one visiting the ward to join in needed to have a current recommend. No actual checking was done. Some Bishops might handle it differently. Vort can you give a source that allows women in the circle? While I believe it happens, I also believe it is incorrect to do so.

Joseph Smith taught the principal of modern revelation with the First Vision, the various instructions that came with translating the Book of Mormon, the Book of Mormon itself, the various commandment and instructions that came to him in setting up the church, and the rest of the stuff found in the D&C (including the Word of Wisdom), the Translations that make up the Pearl of Great Price, and the translation he did of the bible. And those are just the ones off the top of my head at the moment.

Understood... There is a lot of things that suck about what happened in your story, and one would hope for better from church leaders. Sometime you just have to focus on you and yours being right with God and let him deal with the rest.

Sorry I was going by your own words Now if you have been able to rebuild your testimonies from this then great, but that was not the impression I got. And there is still the question of can you/have you and your wife truly forgiven. That is a God given mandate on you and her no matter what the priesthood leaders do. It seems to me that the wounds dealt to you are festering while seeking Justice. Perhaps I am wrong? Have you and your wife prayed to the Lord for the strength to forgive? Have you applied the power of Christ's atonement into healing the wrong done to you? Have you rebuilt your testimonies and faith? If you can say yes you and your wife have, or that you are diligently working it. Then seeking Justice is fine as long as it doesn't delay or hinder your progress in more important areas... But my impression is that you are seeking justice at the expense of more important things and thus my comments

At what cost? You and your wife's eternal salvation? Your chance at exaltation? No. In all honesty I would say that is too high a price to pay for this. But that is exactly the route you are on now. In the early days of the Church many times they were done wrong. They did seek out justice and redress. When they didn't get it they turned it over to God. They knew that life would not always be fair, the scales would not always get balanced in this life. It is a sad fact that the leaders in the church don't always live up to the high expectations that we think they should. Right now you have been focused on Justice (and understandably so) but this focus is killing your spirit. You need to change focus to the other gospel principal that is much more important to you right now. That is the principal of Forgiveness. It is a much harder thing to seek then Justice. Turn justice over to God and focus on following God command to forgive all men their trespasses against you. This is how you can save yourself and your wife. Good luck

I can bring chocolates

No... Can't now... She is very interested in hearing what you have to say

Oh no... what did I just get myself in to?

Your husband is inactive.. and in huge amounts of denial of the damage he is causing.. That ties the bishops hands quiet a bit. Do you really think he told the truth... Or do you think he glossed it over again and told the bishop the way he believes it is?

Do you mind if some of us laugh now?