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I am a big fan of people making choices on what to buy or support for whatever reasons float their boat. And I am generally supportive of being able to make informed choices. With that being said I am not a fan of boycotts... To me boycotts cross from being informational (which I like) to trying to tell me how I should Think, Feel and Act... and trying to get me to engage in a PR stunt (which as noted usually back fires). Give me the information, then leave me to vote with my wallet. It will affect the business (or not) based how their customers choose to respond to their actions.

And if you are giving me your money that would be a bigger flaw then "To trusting" Whereas if it is my money and I lose it because I am "To trusting." then it becomes an expensive education.

Very very true... But if I had to have a flaw... "Too trusting" is better then a lot of other options.

And I said you "Quoted" those who were speculating. And then you Cited those you quoted when called on it. Thus you were second hand speculating on the thread the owner clearly asked for no speculations. As a mod that often has to deal with people trying to "cleverly" get around the rules, If I was the moderator in that situation I would have busted you for that. And I say that as a person that is supportive of our General Authorities having their own opinions and sharing them as they see fit. Bottom line is I have no problem with the argument you are making... the problem is how you chose to make it. You were not entitled nor privileged to make it in the way you did (which was against the explicit wishes of the site owner). When you choose to do it anyways the owners response is wholly predicable and justifiable. Please also note that the differences you are seeing (in this case) between this site and theirs is we have not asked anyone not to speculate. You can speculate as to the nature of the angel all you want here. And the only push back you are getting is from a poster with mod experience (not a poster acting as a moderator), who based on his experience thinks the action taken against you is not nearly as outrageous or unreasonable or biased as you are claiming that it is.

Which while true does not change the facts of this case. The owner of that site explicitly stated from the get go in that thread that there was to be no speculation on the identity of the angel. What did Mikbone do (per his own words)??... Quote speculation about the angel. What did he do when the post got removed (per his own words) Quote more speculation about the angel "with citations" because he assumed it was the lack of citations that was the problem. Not the direct flouting of the directions the site owner had given. There is nothing unfair or unjust or fraudulent about the owners actions here. While true to a point. If we state in a thread... "Do not do a certain behavior" Or "Stop a Certain behavior" and the behavior continues the clamps do come out and the hammer falls. And almost always the people we hammer claim to be "innocent" or otherwise justified

And so what if she is? We are partial here when it comes to comments as well. And those we shutdown feel its because we didn't like the opinion expressed... Those people also feel they have the right to make a stink about it... and they very rarely do so in a manner that makes any noticeable difference. Most of the time they do exactly what Mikbone has done. Resulting in being blocked and therefore no longer being heard by the very audience they were looking to be heard by. If we really think we are in a better position then those on the Bloggernacle then we need to employ better tactics when we engage them on their home turf... then they do when they come here. And we can't really call them hypocrites when they use the same tactics as we do without pointing a big old hypocritical finger back at ourselves

Neither am I discounting his frustration... Frustration caused by feeling entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor (no matter how tiny) is a frustration that can only righteously be dealt with by losing the sense of entitlement. @mikbone was never entitled to post on her site. He was privileged to post and lost that privilege (at least in this instance)

Still missing the point... On someone else's webpage you do not have the Right to Free Speech.. To think otherwise is an entitlement mind set. You post a comment on anyone else's page... They have to pay for it... Forcing them to pay for something they do not want is thief and robbery. You do not have the right to rob anyone. Many sites extend the 'privilege' of posting. Said privilege exist for only as long as the owner wants it to. Calling what they did censorship implies you have the right to rob them by forcing them to host your content. You do not have such a right. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can stop making clearly foolish arguments and focus on where you have stronger points.

You miss the point so far it is not even funny. You like this place because we because we by and large agree with you... So you have not had to deal with moderator actions. But I can personally guarantee you that we have deleted, blocked, banned many, many, many posters.. Who argument is a variation on yours.. If we are going to 'express an opinion (aka religion) we should be able defend our reasoning.... And we get accused of Censorship, Name Calling and <Gif Reaction>. And we are then told such a reaction does not reflect being Christian. The response is crap when it leveled against us... And it is crap when it gets leveled against some one else. Being able to defend your reasoning, logic, and beliefs is not the same as allowing someone to use your resources against you. The First makes sense... the Second is stupid. Case in point... when the LDS scholars do counter other scholars.. The ones countering post their counter on their own website... not in the comment section. You want to counter something said by someone in the Bloggernacle... go right ahead... but do it on your own site (or a neutral to friendly third party site)... Do not demand that the person you are countering also pay for it as well.

And it was your money that was paying for the site (or you were given authority by them) you could have that. But you are not.... so you do not get want you want. (Unless of course you want to start your own site where you can publish anything you want and only allow the comments you like... You could have it then.)

I don't know... If the very first post of the comment section is the owner of the site saying And then some one ignores that... repeatedly... Then yeah... I can totally empathize with the owner of the site deleting out of hand. It is not them being rude... but rather the poster who thinks they above the clearly given directions that is being rude.

I think the Lord said it best 41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; 42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile— 43 Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy; While talking about the priesthood... it clearly God's way of using any power or influence. We would be wise to follow his lead on the matter.

That would be a good question to ask your Bishop. Unlike anyone here, your Bishop has the Keys and the Authority to make that call. Random posters on this (or any other forum) do not. Therefore anyone's opinion here should be viewed in that light.

Indeed... from what I have read... the other parts of the site read like someone's personal scripture study journal... which is awesome because we are suppose to be studying the scriptures and feasting on the word. However someone's personal study and conclusions is not necessary correct. That passage seems to try to elevated it beyond that into the realm of revealed truth. And the scriptures are clear that God has a pattern for revealing truth to the world... And anyone that does not fit that pattern should not be trusted. This site does not follow the pattern. As for the Restored Covenant Edition itself... I like to study the Bible and compare it to the Joseph Smith Translation. Understanding that something has changed and pondering on 'why' it might have changed can be enlightening. Therefore I think having a way to see the changes and know were they occurred can be good. I am less keen on someone trying to dictate to me on 'why' it changed. That is almost always driven by someone else's interpretation which may or may not be correct.

Indeed... While I know there is a time and place for the "Jesus Loves you no matter what" truth... But the simple fact is that this life is not for Jesus to show how much He loves us (Which he does absolutely) But a time for us to Show how much we love Jesus... And that requires require more then just words... as flawed as our attempts to show that will be.

In this day and age.... I don't see why one could not reach out to their "real bishop" and get help/advice/council... No matter how far away one might be geographically.

Christ had alot to do... If it was not needful then why would he waste time on it? God word will not... can not... return void. In the last days when the books are opened and we are judged everything we have done will be there... but so will everything God has done because that is what we will be judged by/against. So yes I am of the mind that all prophecy will be documented... The only question is what does God consider acceptable documentation? That can be quibbled about. Your example of something everyone knows... someone will still make a record of it. Yes... to have developed our spiritual discernment to the level were we will not be deceived.. (either by other men or our own pride/ego)

In 3rd Nephi we read of the Savior's visit to the Nephites. During this event he looks through their scriptures, and finds that they did not record the fulfillment of a prophecy made by Samuel the Lamanite. Christ instructs them to record it. From this we see that the Lord documents both the prophecy and the fulfillment of prophecies. In the Prophecy you quoted we have a clear case of the first part of the prophecy's fulfillment being documented. But fulfillment the second part is not documented. This means we can only speculate. Speculating that Joseph Smith was this prophet poses certain problems. You already addressed the problem of trying to figure out what he might have "presume to speak " that got him destroyed. (assuming that is what happened). But none of our later prophets have been moved to document that Joseph Smith fulfilled this prophecy. Thus it kinda calls in our whole line of succession. For the Lord to have a prophecy be fulfilled and not document it runs counter to his prior behavior. It seems more likely that this is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled... which puts your last bit spot on.

Ahh yes... a classic parenting minefield... A parent has two daughters... One gets called 'smart' the other called 'pretty'. Nothing bad or negative there... But what they hear is "I'm Ugly" and "I'm Stupid"

This... exactly this... Lets give an example. We have a business that makes widgets. We want to prosper the business so we hold a meeting on how to make better widgets. If during that meeting we do not have a bunch of diverse idea on how to make better widgets... Then chances are we will probably not have end up with the best ideas. But on the same hand if we have alot of diversity, but one person wants to make gizmos, an another wants to build thingermobobs, and another wants to talk about coloring hair... well we are not going to get the best ideas on how to make better widgets either but we have lots of diversity. Diversity should not be an end in and of itself because it will distract and divert. Diversity that has a common focus or goal is where its power truly rests.

In the New Testament Christ is asked about marriage and divorce. He was very clear that (Matthew 19:8) "... because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." This is an example of God allowing something wrong to continue and even be dealt with administratively... It does not make it right or correct... it just means God works with us were we are. In the example others have given and even in the one being asked about in the OP the answer "... Because of the Hardness of your hearts..." seems to be enough of a reason.

No success in life can compensate for failure in the home. No matter how much a pillar or "successful" the parents are... if at that age the kids are "Sharks" as described.. then parents are in failure mode and need a serious wake up call. If I was teaching that class I would tell the kids simply that their behavior is not acceptable and if it continues they would be removed from the class. Then I would follow through. And if I needed to remove them I would. After such removal (or maybe even before) I would undoubtedly have some discussions with the Sunday School president, parents, and maybe even bishop. My side would go something like this. "I am called to teach... not to discipline. Discipline is the parents job. When the child can sit without disrupting the class (or whatever the behavioral issue is) they are welcome to return." I mean it is a really low bar for someone of that age. And I would be willing to work with the Parents but I would not be taking over their responsibilities.

The Right to Free Speech has coexisted with the various Slander and Libel Laws here in the USA for a very long time. They do need to be held in balance with each other but there is no reason to say we can only have one or another. The courts are the place were such balances are weighed and determinations made. "Free" Speech is not and has never been... "No one can ever hold you accountable for the Harm you cause" Speech.

Sigh... If I am walking down the street I might be inspired by God to turn Right... This would be the Mind and Will of God. The Next day I could be walking down the Street and he inspires me to turn Left... This also would be the Mind and Will of God. Just because what I was inspired to do at different times was different does not mean that one of them was not inspired. Claiming that is just being simple minded. It would be like Nephi declaring that Moses was not inspired in giving the 10 commandments... Because they say "Thou shall not kill" and the Nephi knew that the Lord clearly inspired him to kill Laban

I think this case is a perfect example of why choosing to be of good character is important. (While there can be some very hard circumstances it is still a choice) Truth is important... facts are important... But sadly we do not always have knowledge of truth and facts... and that leaves the character of those making the claim. I do not know why she is the way she is. I do not know what is the truth of her claims. I do find her to be of questionable character due to her past choices... which hurts her... her claims... and everyone connected to her... and even others unconnected by anything but a similar claim.