john doe

Let's try to play nice. The mere mention of Glenn Beck seems to really polarize people here and threads about him will be watched closely. Nastiness will not be tolerated.

Obviously you haven't been listening, JAG. Beck has been talking for months now about Progressives and Socialists and how while they may embrace portions of Liberalism, they ultimately want to take things much further than Libs are suggesting.

Welcome. I've been to Wyoming before.

Coulda been, but it's been years since I listened to Savage for any measurable period of time.

Rush always said Liberalism is a mental disease. Now they're going to go around saying they can't help it, they were born that way.

I have a coworker whose in-laws were involved in the self-awareness thing. The particular group they became involved with pretty much portrayed itself as being endorsed by the church. They would engage in long meetings into late in the night, keeping the subjects awake and eventually breaking them down by separating them from their spouse, putting them in situations with other members of the opposite sex which might include discussion of intimate things, or encouraging them to open up about every portion of their lives, even the most inner, deep, dark secrets or thoughts they may hold. Sometimes these sessions would last all night, until you had lost all resistance to their continual harassment and badgering and gave yourself over to them. Once you had broken down completely they would then begin a process of building you back up. I believe the idea is that you need to be broken before you can rebuild yourself, using your shortcomings to your advantage and focusing on your strengths. They also push the belief that you can't fully know yourself and be a successful person until you acknowledge your weaknesses and face them head on. They would use and pervert LDS Church principles to help further this agenda. It has become a problem in some areas of the church, especially in some of the more affluent areas.

I agree, this situation stinks. These seems to be good, hard-working, productive, law-abiding, honest people in almost every way-- but one. They failed to maintain legal status as visitors to the country. You could argue that they deserve to stay here far more than many of the millions of others here illegally. I feel bad for them. It makes you wonder why the people who have targeted them don't spend more of their time kicking out people who come here and commit serious crimes and less time going after people who actually contribute positively to the communities they attempt to integrate into, like these people have done. On the other hand, these people did break our immigration laws. They knew it. They gambled that the system would be so overwhelmed by the thousands upon thousands of legitimately bad people who are here illegally would ignore them if they kept their noses clean. But the system finally caught up with them and put them into the big net of people who are here illegally, regardless of whether they are hardened criminals or good people looking to improve their lives. I feel bad for them, but they put themselves in this situation. If there were some way that someone could somehow give them legal status, I would support that action. But I don't see how we can make an exception to the law just because we feel bad for this family and their plight. Sometimes good people get caught up in making poor decisions, and they have to pay the consequences. This is one of those times.

I don't think anyone here is saying they don't sustain those who created this new project. I believe what they are saying is that perhaps it could be done with a little less brashness and a little more tact than what they have seen so far. Most of the LDS here do a fine job of proclaiming the truthfulness of the Gospel, and do not deserve the whole 'me against you' mentality that seems to be emanating from this thread. We are not your enemies, we are trying to help you be more effective in your approach to the site and those who visit here.

This morning the news reader said he had recently been excommunicated. This is pure speculation on my part, but perhaps he was unrepentant and angry over being excommunicated.

Apparently he is a returned missionary who attended BYU recently. He told authorities he was angry at the church, but it wasn't over Pres. Packer's recent remarks.

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Dude, the 'A' and the 'U' are nowhere near each other on the keyboard.

Yes you can talk about the same thing twice. But when you post in one section of the site, you don't need to repost the same thing elsewhere because we all see the first post too. Multiple repeats of the same post is considered spamming the site.

Since you don't seem to have read your message inbox, I will post this here. We have deleted numerous posts from you because they are duplicates. We welcome you here, but you don't need to repost the same message in every section of the site.

welcome to both of you.

You want to go recent history? Okay. Please repeat after me: BYU-6, AFA-1 over the past six years. AFA has only beat BYU 7 times in football, EVER. During the last win streak, BYU had won by a margin of at least 2 touchdowns. So AFA happens to catch BYU on a rare down year early enough in a season that AFA isn't worn down by a long grueling season, and you want to act like AFA regularly 'whomps' on BYU? Well, if you think winning once in every 7 tries is 'whomping' on them, I guess you're right. Personally, I would think that you would have been glad to go back to the last 15 years, since that is when AFA has had the most success against BYU. All but 2 of AFA's 7(!!) wins against BYU were between 1995 and 2003. They haven't really competed other than during that time frame. But at least it was fun, right?

Maybe you can help me out here. Before this year, when was the last time AFA beat BYU? What is the head-to-head record over, say, the last 30 years? How many times has AFA won the MWC or WAC championships in football compared to how many times BYU has done so? If you want to change the subject to basketball we can do that too.

My ward house was vandalized by a young man I taught in Priesthood and some friends. He was generally a good kid, but rebellious. I was surprised when I heard he did that. They made him and his friends clean it up and didn't press charges against them.

That doesn't happen very often, so I wouldn't worry about it.

That's called Ward Conference, and is different from Stake Conference.

Your first link states the new annex houses 7 sealing rooms. So now you've only lost 4.

We had Stake Conference on two consecutive Sundays this fall. The second one there was no adult meeting, just the Sunday session. They told us they didn't mean for it to happen that way, but that's just the way the schedule hit for a member of the Seventy to address us. They insisted that we not cancel the one scheduled the week before. So the Seventy came, the Stake President called people out of the audience to speak as the spirit directed him, and then the Seventy took up the remaining time.

When I was there they didn't have the 'shorts police'. I wear shorts at BYU-Provo and they never stop me or hassle me about them. If fact, I don't even get dirty looks for wearing them. Maybe it's because I'm so good-looking that they don't have the nerve to try to reprimand me.

Only if you're a pansy. The locals wear shorts year-round.

Hi, my name is John. Thanks for the enlightening introduction.