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I know the Book of Mormon is, and will continue to be, relevant for today, but I think there is room to question whether it is as relevant as our Prophet today.

Lol, yes, but apparently dirt that feels and talks 48 And it came to pass that Enoch looked upon the aearth; and he heard a voice from the bowels thereof, saying: Wo, wo is me, the mother of men; I am bpained, I am weary, because of the wickedness of my children. When shall I crest, and be dcleansed from the efilthiness which is gone forth out of me? When will my Creator sanctify me, that I may rest, and righteousness for a season abide upon my face?

I'm worried about the justice of God. If the Earth was innocent of any wrong doing it seems, from what we know, that it might be unfair for it to have to endure a cursing from God.

After Adam ate the fruit, was the ground cursed for something it had no responsibility for?

See also Alma 11, Mosiah 13 – 17 and Helaman 13 for accounts of events that might be interpreted as righteous contention. However, these events all involved prophets long since dead, and may therefore not be as relevant as the words of the prophet today.

Rocks on top and rocks underneath? Your posts are really rocking these days @zil

You have 2 feet of snow in your front yard yet you still go to Alta ski resort? (Asked from a non-skier's perspective )

Verse 2 of O Thou Rock of Our Salvation We a war ’gainst sin are waging; We’re contending for the right. Ev’ry day the battle’s raging; Help us, Lord, to win the fight. 4th verse When for all that we’ve contended, When the fight of faith we’ve won, When the strife and battle’s ended, And our labor here is done,

As @JustAGuyand @LDSGator recently reminded us, the First Counsellor in the First Presidency spent an important part of his working life presiding over contentions, both as judge and as BYU President.

It was less than a month ago that @pamposted this under status of the forums: 2-3 years ago there was word that eventually the forums would be shut down as funding had been withdrawn. Well good news. We are here to stay!! So if you know anyone that might be interested in joining us or perhaps a member that hasn't been with us for awhile, let them know to come back and join us.

My time on this forum would be less well utilized if your contributions were not here.

Given the frequency with which it is discussed, its almost a long standard discussion.

I haven't seen the talk yet, that will happen this coming Sunday, but the comments here reminded me of a Priesthood lesson I gave many years ago. For my lesson, I quoted the whole of the Sermon of the Mount. I didn't say anything else. Nothing else needed to be said.

Lol, yes, it took quite a few hours before I finally woke up to that. I thought the AI was artificial Intelligence.

This is what it was

I've just had a second look. It came from somewhere called AI General Conference. I think its a fake

Hi all A few minutes ago my wife watched something that contained a still not moving, picture of President Nelson, with a voice over of President Nelson, announcing that Sunday church meetings would be reduced to one hour. I suspect its a fake but I'm not sure. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

I'm delighted to hear that @mirkwoodis now obtaining the things he wants in a more socially acceptable manner.

Yes, definitely my own speculations, although influenced by scripture. Like so many things in life, they are possibilities with varying degrees of likelihood. There are very few absolute truths that we can completely rely on and many less likely possibilities become more likely as new ideas and information emerges.

I don't think we have enough information to make any reliable conclusions about the extent to which differing motivations influenced Lucifer's decisions. However, I think its not unreasonable to suggest that one third of premortal spirits would not have fought solely for the glory of one individual. I don't think the idea of fighting for Lucifer's glory would have been a sufficient motivation for so many spirits to have fought so hard against the opposing idea. There must have been something in it for them other than just Lucifer's glory. Any glory that goes to God also goes to Jesus because they are One. Under both both plans, everbody will live eternally. Some might use that eternity to learn how to play marbles. Some might use it to to learn how to build worlds. And some might use it to learn how to use their agency. The most important thing you need to learn anything is time, and we will all have lots of that.

I suspect that the phrase war in heaven can be replaced by the phrase disagreement in heaven, without any loss of significant meaning. I see the disagreement in heaven as being somewhat akin to an online debate, where the whole world has an opportunity to express a view and choose a side, with lots of debates and side issues going on about various sub-issues, or even various plans, until the whole series of debates and details, has been negotiated/discussed/fought over, with people moving back and forth between different positions, until the whole process comes down to just one or two key issues According to the accounts we have of that disagreement, and its consequences, Lucifer fought partly for what he believed in - everybody's automatic, lesser quality salvation, thanks to a reduced quality of agency - and partly for his own honour and glory. Jesus and His supporters fought for what they/we believed in - the opportunity for everybody to have a higher quality of salvation depending on how they used their agency - and all the glory has ended up going to Jesus. From what I understand, under Satan's plan, everybody would be saved to the same degree of glory, and they would then have eternity in which to learn how to use their agency. Under Jesus' plan, people would be saved to varying degrees of glory, and they would then have eternity in which to continue learning how to use their agency. It might also have been the case that under both plans, the extent/nature/quality of one's salvation would be related to the extent/nature/quality of one's adherence/committment/obedience to whichever plan ended up being agreed upon. Under both plans, Lucifer and Jesus would continue to have some sort of dominion/guidance/leadership/influence/authority over those whose salvation they had enabled. I'm vaguely pondering the implications of the suggestion that history is written by the winning side.

This incident gives reason to suppose that when more than one spirit inhabits a body, there is an increased likelihood that the functioning of that body and mind will somehow be affected. Maybe as a result of overcrowding, and maybe not. We know nothing about the compressability of spirits. It may be that our body can easily handle at least two spirits - our own spirit, and the Holy Ghost, although I believe that Joseph Smith taught that the notion that the Holy Ghost inhabits our bodies is an old sectarian notion. And they were all filled with the aHoly Ghost, and began to speak with other btongues, as the cSpirit gave them utterance.

Thanks @pam

I'm guessing that come the resurrection, when we all have our glorious immortal bodies, those who have been plagued with nasty skin conditions during mortality will be saved both from their skins and in their skins.

I went straight from reading this thread to my morning scripture reading, and commencing immediately after the last verse I finished yesterday, I read this verse. I guess Moroni faced the most extreme version of this problem. 3 And my father also was killed by them, and I even aremain balone to write the sad tale of the destruction of my people. But behold, they are gone, and I fulfil the commandment of my father. And whether they will slay me, I know not.