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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in How do we ask questions at church?   
    You mean you say them without conviction and with little thought. Or are you implying that you are a mind reader who knows the convictions and thoughts of other people? Maybe it's your lack of conviction and little thought on the "basics" that are the problem?
    Revealed truth is neither. It is merely truth that has been revealed. Someone speaking it after the fact by reading it from a lesson manual or expressing it with great "conviction" doesn't change the nature of it. It is still revealed truth.
    That being said, what "compulsion" is there in reading something from a lesson manual in a boring tone?
    Every time the Holy Spirit speaks to our souls as a witness that something is true it is revelation. Every person on the earth must go through this process of having truth revealed in order to know God. What does that have to do with "discussion" in Sunday School?
    What about unintelligent people?
    Oh...and also...
    O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. 2 Nephi 9:28
    Yeah...how foolish those fool prophets and apostles are. Fools!
    Once again, are you a mind reader? How is it that you claim to know so profoundly what the collective "we" see?
    Of course God is the one who organized His organization and called the people therein to be the people therein, and so a claim that truth is separate from God's organization and methods is just flatly wrong. Sincerity doesn't define truth either. Someone can be as sincere as they want in a conviction of something wrong and it doesn't make it right.
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    askandanswer reacted to Jane_Doe in How do we ask questions at church?   
    I suppose it comes down to how you define "deep doctrine".  Some people point to like King Follet, but I don't think that's it.  Here's really fantastic article from June's Ensign:
    "When you hear the word deep in connection with gospel doctrine, it’s sometimes meant to suggest something mysterious, obscure, or difficult to understand. But perhaps a better way of thinking about it is to consider which teachings affect us most deeply. Our relationship with Heavenly Father, His plan, Jesus Christ’s Resurrection and Atonement, His teachings—these and many others are the “deep” doctrine. God has revealed them to prophets. They’re easy to find. They’re in the scriptures. They’re taught by modern prophets and apostles. The Holy Ghost carries them unto our hearts (see 2 Nephi 33:1). They enlarge our souls, enlighten our understandings, and are delicious to us (see Alma 32:28). They help us build “faith unto repentance” (see Alma 34:15–17). They cause a deep change in us. That’s why they’re deep, not because they’re “out there” or hidden.
    This doesn’t mean our study should be superficial. There’s plenty to learn through more study. But as Nephi said, “My soul delighteth in plainness; for after this manner doth the Lord God work among the children of men. For the Lord God giveth light unto the understanding” (2 Nephi 31:3). "
    https://www.lds.org/new-era/2017/06/to-the-point/where-should-i-go-to-learn-the-really-deep-doctrine-of-the-church?lang=eng
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    askandanswer reacted to Jane_Doe in How do we ask questions at church?   
    No one's advocating to say things without convection or thought.  We actually want the reverse actually: great convection and great thought.  The difference is oftentimes not the words being said, but the heart behind them.  For example "Jesus loves me" is a simple truth that we teach nursery kids and (let's be honest) each of us sometimes say it without much conviction or thought.  But that's not how it should be!  "Jesus loves me" is simultaneously the simplest and the deepest doctrine a person can ever learn.  
    The difference lies in how each person speaks/thinks of Christ, not something to blame a teacher about.
    LDS basic truth: God IS still revealing things.  See AofF #9.
    This is LDS belief/teaching 101: focused on developing people into disciple of Christ.  
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    askandanswer reacted to Sunday21 in Something drew me here all the way from Europe and Im not exactly sure what it is...   
    Dear @Kimberley93 
    Why not hang out with the lds crowd for awhile? Attend the activities, go to church..maybe there is a Book of Mormon class? Things have a way of resolving themselves!
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in Something drew me here all the way from Europe and Im not exactly sure what it is...   
    I'm very happy for you Kimberley, I'm sure that was a wonderful, moving experience, and I'm guessing you have never had that kind of experience before. My guess is that what you were feeling was the fruit of the spirit as described in the New Testament, in Galatians 5:22: 22  "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith" I believe that what you felt was a spiritual experience, with the Spirit communicating with your spirit, telling you that what you heard from the missionaries, and read from the Book of Mormon is true. I really hope things go well for you at Sunday, and that you feel comfortable and at home in the church meetings you attend.  
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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in Similarity in rewards?   
    So what?
    If you and I are both motivated to get food to eat but you stab a man and steal his food and I went out to get an honest job to buy the food we're both motivated by the same thing.
    I find the -- being motivated by the same thing as someone evil is problematic -- idea a bit of a logical faux pas.
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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in Similarity in rewards?   
    He that loses His life shall find it.
    The first shall be last and the last first.
    The gospel is full of paradoxes.
     
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    askandanswer reacted to CV75 in Similarity in rewards?   
    Looking at these verses alone, the first shows an attitude of taking something away from God, or bringing Him down; the second and attitude of giving and sharing; the third an attitude of submission followed by receiving a gift. In the first, honor is taken away in a deal; in the second honor is granted in love; in the third honor is shared.

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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in Similarity in rewards?   
    And...there will never be a time when we will not give the glory to God.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from SilentOne in Cleaning and organizing   
    Doctrine and Scripture regarding Cleaning and Organising
    Or
    How to wrest the scriptures to support your pre-existing view
    Matthew 8:201 suggests that Christ did not have His own place so its unlikely that He did any house cleaning. This is an area in which I am 100% willing to follow His example
    It is recorded in the scriptures that on one occasion, Christ did clean His Father’s house 2. His methodology showed a preference for removal rather than reorganisation, ie, He threw the moneychangers out rather than organising them in a more orderly manner.
    The rationale for the revelation now known as the Word of Wisdom was Emma’s concern about having to clean up tobacco stains. Rather than reveal the formula for a new, super effective tobacco stain remover, God gave a revelation prohibiting the use of tobacco. This suggests that the preferred approach to cleaning is prevention before rather than cleaning up after.
    The Earth will be cleansed by fire, (scriptural reference) whereas our souls are cleansed by immersion in water (Scriptural reference). This suggests that difference approaches are required for different areas, and there is no “one size fits all.” Cleaners risk burn injuries if they mix up these two methods.
    The task of cleaning the Earth has been allocated to the angels 3. My kitchen, laundry, shed and garage are part of the earth. Far be it from me to take upon myself a task which has been assigned to the angels.
     
    1.       Matthew 8: 20  And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
     
    2.      John 2 13  ¶ And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
    14  And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
    15  And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
    16  And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
     
    3.        Doctrine and Covenants 38:12  Which causeth silence to reign, and all eternity is pained, and the angels are waiting the great command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned; and, behold, the enemy is combined.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from zil in Missionary Work and Baptisms   
    Your post reminds me of the position my daughter was in on her mission. During her setting apart it was made clear that she was going to be a planter rather than a harvester. On her mission, her Mission President was all about harvesting. So my daughter had to very significant figures in her church life basically telling her two things that were the opposite of each other. This was something she struggled with for much of her mission. Only one of these leaders could be right and in the end if ended up being the one who had set her apart. 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in DNA Results   
    All human?
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in Missionary Work and Baptisms   
    Your post reminds me of the position my daughter was in on her mission. During her setting apart it was made clear that she was going to be a planter rather than a harvester. On her mission, her Mission President was all about harvesting. So my daughter had to very significant figures in her church life basically telling her two things that were the opposite of each other. This was something she struggled with for much of her mission. Only one of these leaders could be right and in the end if ended up being the one who had set her apart. 
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    askandanswer reacted to Fether in Missionary Work and Baptisms   
    There are a special few that do find a TON of baptism. A particular missionary in my mission baptized every month of his mission, another baptized 42 (Most baptized 5-12), and another baptized double the amount I did in half the time. One of these missionaries was exactly obedient his whole mission, another had a change of heart half way through, and the 3rd never once followed the missionary schedule, lax on rules and is now less active.
    The question no missionary wants to address is "Why does this happen?" 
    The answer is simple. God's work is God's work and our reward is not found in Earth, but in Heaven  The greatest reward for service is a mighty change of heart and I believe that is what God intends for all of his children in any service he calls them to.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Fether in Missionary Work and Baptisms   
    Your post reminds me of the position my daughter was in on her mission. During her setting apart it was made clear that she was going to be a planter rather than a harvester. On her mission, her Mission President was all about harvesting. So my daughter had to very significant figures in her church life basically telling her two things that were the opposite of each other. This was something she struggled with for much of her mission. Only one of these leaders could be right and in the end if ended up being the one who had set her apart. 
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    askandanswer reacted to CV75 in Doctrine and Covenants 110:12 and keys   
    The header to Section 110 refers to "their keys and dispensations" (for Moses and Elias) and "keys of his dispensation" (for Elijah). Peter, James and John had already given the keys of the dispensation of the fulness of times (D&C 128:20), and all other heads of dispensations at some point also did the same (verse 21 -- Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and other divers angels, "declaring" and "giving"). It seems to me that the key of a dispensation is a functional key in and of itself. The keys of the kingdom, which Peter, James and John also restored, and which are also functional, are what get delegated through the priesthood order under the direction of the President of the Church, under Christ. I don't see the keys of the dispensation(s) being delegated (they are retained by the Prophet, Seer and Revelator), but the keys of the kingdom within that dispensation can be delegated by him according to the order of the priesthood. Both sets of keys of course are held by the First Presidency and Twelve according to the succession plan.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in Having a crush on a missionary who's leaving in a few weeks   
    There's no harm in waiting, and there's a risk of harm in moving to early, so I recommend avoid the risk, wait a little longer, and continue to prayerfully read the Book of Mormon.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from seashmore in How long is too long to like someone who does not feel the same way?   
    Love always involves a degree of vulnerability. You cannot love without accepting the possibility, and even the willingness, that you will be hurt. So you might have to look dumb. You might have to wear your heart on your sleeve. You might have to put yourself in situations you would prefer not to be in. You might have to expose yourself to the possibility of being hurt. That's how love works. As Benjamin Franklin once said, "nothing ventured, nothing gained" meaning if you don't risk anything, you won't gain anything. I say, take the risk rather than die wandering what might have happened. 
    You've known this guy for 60 months. Surely you can wait for just one more month? I think its worth waiting a month until you are back in the same country. I don't think you should make any major decisions about the future of this friendships until either you've met face to face, or it becomes clear from his lack of response, or disinterested responses, that you are never likely to meet. If it does look like you will never meet, then wrap up your memories in a nice box with a nice ribbon and file them away under the headings "happy memories," "lessons learned" and "people who are(were?) special to me."
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    askandanswer got a reaction from zil in Doctrine and Covenants 110:12 and keys   
    TFP's comments led me to consider the possibilities that maybe there is one approach for transferring keys of dispensations, and another approach to transferring functional keys, eg, keys of the Priesthood, keys of gathering etc. If the keys of dispensations are transferred, maybe this is only done by the head of the dispensation, but perhaps functional keys are transferred by the previous key holder? 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Edspringer in Doctrine and Covenants 110:12 and keys   
    12  After this, Elias appeared, and committed the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham, saying that in us and our seed all generations after us should be blessed.
     
    I would have thought it would be Abraham who held and gives the keys for the gospel of Abraham rather than Elias. Would anyone care to speculate why it was Elias and not Abraham who gave these keys to Joseph Smith?
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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in Doctrine and Covenants 110:12 and keys   
    What does busy have to do with it? Abraham doesn't delegate God's work. God does. You're second guessing God.
    Why didn't Melchizedek come to give the Melchizedek priesthood? Because it wasn't his role as assigned by God. What about the Aaron priesthood. It wasn't Aaron who came to give it? Why not?
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    askandanswer got a reaction from zil in Doctrine and Covenants 110:12 and keys   
    I am saddened and surprised that a son of the land of kim chee should be so woefully misinformed as to its origins. I believe the Bob you are referring to was actually Bud, and he was not a distant cousin of Abraham, but a former neighbour and butler. The keys he held from Abraham were the keys to Abraham’s pantry, from which he would dispense grapes and dates.
    The trio you refer to started off as a quartet, but one of its members – Bob – died, so it became a trio. And my research reveals that, far from being sell outs, the concerts were financial flops, and that’s why they had to sneak away - to escape their creditors.
    And it wasn’t Bob who first cultivated cabbage in the Silian Empire – it was one of the wise men, Charles Babbage. I suspect the confusion arose when the first letters of his name and surname were reversed by a clumsy historian. While in the Silia Empire, Charles invented a machine that, 2,000 years later, and with introduction of silica, not pepper, became part of the great economic miracle of Korean growth, through the efforts of Samsung.
    Really,  @Carborendum , you should have known better. Now you do  
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in Doctrine and Covenants 110:12 and keys   
    I am saddened and surprised that a son of the land of kim chee should be so woefully misinformed as to its origins. I believe the Bob you are referring to was actually Bud, and he was not a distant cousin of Abraham, but a former neighbour and butler. The keys he held from Abraham were the keys to Abraham’s pantry, from which he would dispense grapes and dates.
    The trio you refer to started off as a quartet, but one of its members – Bob – died, so it became a trio. And my research reveals that, far from being sell outs, the concerts were financial flops, and that’s why they had to sneak away - to escape their creditors.
    And it wasn’t Bob who first cultivated cabbage in the Silian Empire – it was one of the wise men, Charles Babbage. I suspect the confusion arose when the first letters of his name and surname were reversed by a clumsy historian. While in the Silia Empire, Charles invented a machine that, 2,000 years later, and with introduction of silica, not pepper, became part of the great economic miracle of Korean growth, through the efforts of Samsung.
    Really,  @Carborendum , you should have known better. Now you do  
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    askandanswer reacted to Jane_Doe in Having a crush on a missionary who's leaving in a few weeks   
    Trying to date a missionary is like trying to date a nun: just not available.
    Now, if you want to FaceBook him after his mission and see what happens then, you can do that *then*.  
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    askandanswer reacted to NeuroTypical in Why Do You Go?   
    Sister whatsername is a rare treasure.  She's a convert from another Christian denomination and she's, shall we say, on a journey to see what notions to keep and what to discard in the restored gospel.
    She's used testimony meeting as a way to preach against various behaviors she sees other ward members engaged in.  She doesn't think young women should wear denim, she was shocked one time to see some young men peeing on a tree, she figures the hymnbook is scripture and is shocked that some members would let them rest on the floor.  All information conveyed across the pulpit in sacrament meeting.  I've talked to her enough to know she genuinely did believe her input would help other people walk more uprightly.
    Last year or so she's calmed down a lot - these months her testimonies are rather edifying to hear.  But maybe she's saving a bunch of stuff up for one big testimony.