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Seems to me she is simply confusing the sin with the sinner. As for what doctrine or talk you could use in your discussion with her, anything that talks about loving your neighbor could be appropriate. This talk in particular could be useful though: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/10/loving-others-and-living-with-differences?lang=eng @Sunday21 If you read the rest he also discusses same-sex attraction some more if you read more of the talk. I also know that Elder Uchtdorf has been quoted in the news as stating that we ought not belittle gays. And we should love all of God's children" http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/news/50537493-78/uchtdorf-church-lds-sex.html.csp I haven't found anything terribly "church official" though. Anyway, I find it to be fairly straightforward to discuss doctrine indicating that we should show christlike love toward a gay coworker. On the other hand it can be a much more complicated discussion to try and talk about things like "My son has invited me to his gay wedding, should I go?"

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I don't get this "If it doesn't keep me from going to the temple then it must not be bad" sort of mentality :/ There is plenty of revelation through prophets telling us to take care of our bodies. Why does it require the threat of taking away one's temple recommend to get us to do things? Having signed piece of paper by no means guarantees us entrance into the celestial kingdom.

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Yes, we are having a back and forth with Facebook. They are reluctant to make the change so, we are convincing them to. Also, you may also notice that the login page will say LDS.net for a while too.. that is a different beast that I have to tackle once I finish some other important things.

Sure but... We aren't currently in the business of verifying the identities of forum members as current bishops so...

I'm not a moderator, but I feel like even if a bunch of people with allowed access to the document (like, a buncha bishops) talking about a subject and referencing the document to each other in a public forum... would not be in the spirit of the rule. If I'm not mistaken... we support the stance that the document is for church leaders eyes only, so even just to reference the document would be to encourage readers to go search for the document themselves... which would not be helping that cause.

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D&C is normally bundled up with the BoM and the Pearl of Great Price in what is usually called a "Triple Combination" (FYI a "Quad" is all three of those plus the Bible all in one book). The bishop or the missionaries might be able to get you a free physical copy, but you can check it out for free online, in an app (android, iphone, windows, kindle), or you can buy your own paperback cheaply on amazon

As you point out at the end there, it is a far more complicated issue than it is at face value. But the point still stands... the OP's original question was twofold. Will she get shunned? (not really) And could she be a worthy member? (Yes, including holding a temple recommend). The choice to have children is a very complicated and personal decision (especially for women). The only person she should feel pressured by to have children is God, and that may come in time as she develops her relationship with him. I assure you that God does not intend women to keep popping out babies that they don't want and sending them to government organizations to potentially be adopted.

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My best advice for food storage.. is to store what you actually eat. Obviously we eat perishable things, and some people like apples and not dried apples. But, don't buy food and just let it go bad. Buy food that you eat, and as it starts to get a bit older on the shelf, incorporate it into your normal meals. As long as its things you would normally eat, it shouldn't be a problem. Every once in a while, throw some of those dried apple slices into your lunch instead of a fresh apple. But basically, if you don't eat gumbo, don't buy gumbo. You'll thank yourself later.

Some people will judge you for this, but that is their bad. And in general you will find this to be an exception rather than the rule. You will definitely hear in relief society, and maybe from the occasional member or visiting or home teacher, that God has commanded us to multiply and replenish the earth. If I were you, I'd probably just roll my eyes at this. God also doesn't want you to start making babies that you don't want. And it is between you and your spouse to decide with God if/when you feel ready to have kids, and its not anyone else's business (even though some people think its their business). Some people will look down on you, but a majority of people in the church will respect your decision, or not care.

As others have stated... babies are pure and sinless, and don't need to take the sacrament. Why should they? ^^^ This is why. Kids have plenty of reasons to scream their heads off in church... its far easier to let them take it than to try to argue religious semantics with a 2 year old. Its certainly okay for them to take it... and its certainly okay for them not to.

I wonder how much of that they get to write off.

Apparently the portions of the issue that I was addressing are not clear. "1) How private/bad idea" I was addressing that it can be reasonably private, and that I don't think its an inherently bad idea 2) Morality You're right, consent does not make it moral, but lack of consent makes it immoral and that's why I bothered to mention it.

I agree to both of those statements. I wasn't using those statements as evidence of the morality of it as a whole. Additionally I meant "feel good about it" as equivalent to "both whole heartedly consenting".

Don't disagree with anything that you said. But my main point is that there are bad bishops too. And if I didn't feel comfortable with my bishop for whatever reason, I wouldn't talk to him about this, and wouldn't feel bad about it. Also, if I made it sound like I was trying to give advice then I apologize. Just stating my opinion. I personally see very little difference between seeing my spouse in person and in a picture.

I think its great that he is getting varying opinions. I think discussing the various red flags that it could bring up to also be helpful, like Zil does. I think @ldsister and I were mostly just discussing assumptions being made about the intention of the question. Anyway.. @zil, won't know for sure unless @dz2003 tells us for sure, but I get the feeling they feel like its something they could/want to do, but just want to not feel alone in the Mormon universe of perceived perfection. Which I guess means that I have to agree with ldsister's guess that he is looking for validation, but I disagree with the reason behind it.

This really doesn't sound like he's trying to justify it, or that he's asking her to do something she isn't interested in. It sounds like they had had plenty of talks and wanted to know how others felt about it. At least that's how I'm reading it.

For all we know his wife may have suggested it and he's just wondering how other people think about it. But you're right that she needs to be fully on board or its not a good idea.