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You always post such beautiful quotes Susie. We had an atonement lesson on Sunday and as I grow in the church its the one thing that never fails to bring tears to my eyes - I love my Saviour for what he did for me, but I have the regret associated with what I do to him everytime I sin or transgress. Charley

Plus in some States in the US it was at least until the 90s legal to marry at age of 12. There have been some well publicsed cases. Personally I don't remember having teenaged angst Charley

We have done the business thing lol moving on to other things having learned from our own mistakes:), big one being my husband doesn't like working for himself. My Open Sauce business is actually going to be selling sauces:) We do have Ubuntu on the main box as we have MythTV Charley

No, It is from my love of swing dance. Tuxedo Junction. I did become a Linux enthusiast around 2002 so the name developed a new meaning. yes we have a Linux collection courtesy of my husband I never know what operating system will be on the PC next - I am however hopefully going to start a business in about 3 years time called Open Sauce lol I have the recipes:) Charley

appreciate that its not doctrine but for me in someways these experiences at least in my own life are why I am a Latter Day Saint and why my testimony remains inspite of other things that could make me doubt. These experiences to me are true glimpses of God - I think it was Joseph Smith that said if a man could gaze into heaven for just 5 minutes he would learn more than in a lifetime reading the Book of Mormon. And these for me are what many of us are blessed with. I could walkaway from Church but it would involve me walking away from the things God has taught me. I get the impression from your posts its the way you feel? Charley

did you get revelation on the name? I know certain Jewish groups believe that names are 60% prophecy. With my son he was going to be named Isaac but when he was born he had such a serious expression lol there was no way I could name him something that ment laughter then a song popped into my head from the Backyardigans of all things the one about the Mermaid, the line 'I'm not only beautiful I am extra, extra tough' - so he was Gabriel - angel so beautiful and it means strong man/hero of God. Charley

I never ever knock revelation someone has received concerning themselves or their family even if it contradicts my revelation for mine - personally don't think what God has to say should always make sense and I would be surprised if it didn't seem contradictory. Even if someone tells me their prayers say the church isn't true I sometimes wonder if the answer is not that the church isn't true just its not right for them to join yet. I do wonder with some people that hear voices but at the same time so many people have these experiences we are either all medically insane or it is mostly right lol not sure I know what I am saying Charley

Have you ever found out more about him>? Charley

Yed's experience to me would be normal - although we have a veil everything is still in there, a veil merely obscures the view of eternity doesn't change it and I suspect it depends on your faith or what the Lord tells you or occurances in life that depend whether or not that veil is like the one the Queen would wear on her hat to Ascot or a full blown Burkha. The majority of Latter Day Saints and people of many other faiths experience moments when that veil thins - this happens most frequently around time of death or birth - why for me a hospital is a very spiritual place there are people there on a frequent basis so close to the veil. In the temple the veil certainly thins considerably. I think people in so many different situations experience premonitions, deja vu etc most cultures have terms for these things, Clairvoyants, Witch Doctors, Sages, Mystics, Prophets are either revered or treated with fear or suspicion. And for me it happens when I set out to dedicate the time to the Lord in prayer. Also occurs during baptism. One story is in the Book of Mormon with the Brother of Jared (Book of Ether) - where his faith removed the veil and he was able to see the Lord. When you read the story the Lord almost seems surprised that he has been seen, I am sure he isn't but to me it does come across that it was a power in the Brother of Jared that allowed this to happen not something the Lord did. I don't know many Latter Day Saints that haven't had their own version of that story happen to them at least once in their lives. For me its those experiences above anything that convince me I am in the right church on the right path to know God. It makes sense of a lot of the 'weird' stuff on the Earth and that occurs inside of people that science has no explanation for. It also helps make sense of a lot of the academic stuff. Charley

I personally feel its very likely especially with ancestors and especially those born in the 'Dark Ages' or during the apostasy -if you didn't protect them and encourage them if they made wrong decsions you may end up being born with a different birth than you had thought you were going tohave (sure Heavenly Father knew otherwise lol) Have had another experience again its more along the lines of personal revelation, not sure if I should share it though had it laughed at by a church member I trusted but here goes. When I was about 2 my parents had an abortion - I know the baby was a girl, I always felt empty, when I got bpatised I started asking Heavenly Father about her and realised that yes there was a way for her to come and me to know her, I wanted her as my daughter. My mum had when she was grieving nicknamed her tree. When I met my husband he said he had experiences and knew he was to have a daughter with a tree connection - after a trip to the Temple we knew Tree was going to be ours. The impression I got was the revelation was my husband's to recieve. What i find interesting is I was born before Tree was aborted, but he was born afterwards. Elana (hebrew for Tree) will be 4 in December she was born on what would have been Tree's original birthday/expected due date and she was 5 weeks early. Charley

Charley, Isn't that a weird feeling? When you swear you've done something, or known someone, but there is no earthly way it happened? This is my opinion, and not backed up by anything scriptural, so take this with a bag of salt, but... I think we have lived our life in classes in the pre-existence. I think we were told every last thing that would happen to us, and how to react to it that was righteous and would get us back to the CK with our HF. I can't believe that HF would just pat us on the back and say "good luck", but rather train the snot out of us to make us ready. I think that those are our "deja vous" experiences... I agree we knew what we were going to be doing - I am an idiot and this life constantly say oh yes I'll do that lol and then have to deal with consequences. When i wonder how could I have agreed to this life I know I did its just what I would have done I grew up with my greatest religious influences being my spiritualist Aunt and Uncle was a great training to later become a Latter Day Saint - again this is just my own personal feeling and interpretation (I agree with a lot of what you have said), but for me people who have had previous life experience or believe they have been as a person before - I believe they were there as spirits. I am sure I was there cheering on some my ancestors when i go through my Family History I just know some of those who I have been close to and I get impressions about their lives. I had one weird experience with a newsreader here in the UK I just looked at him and automatically was able to name his 2 older children, his wife, was able to tell what year he got married, what he studied at university and where he was born. I thought I was being silly until I got online years later and everything worked out just right - the facts I didn't know like his youngest child etc were things that had happened after I was born myself. I used to have a lot of freaky things happen being a Latetr Day Saint they all now make sense and I no longer feel odd they make sense to me now.

Personally I would hate to be a teenager again - sure I had fun but I also found it a frustrating time, my opinion that life is much better after high school is over hasn't changed. I'm lucky because I go to church in a small branch and we home educate so the groups of children she mixes with contain plenty of fantastic teenaged roll models. Actually one of my daughters favourite friends at the group is a wonderful teen who has autism - she is so amazingly kind to my daughter and will play and imagine with her. But she also has that at church the YM/YW will take care of the children after sacrament its lovely to watch. Charley They were my favourite books growing up - I had such a crush on Frank until one day I realised I was 25 and he was still 18 - is your Tux from the Penguin? Charley

I know that sometimes I have started the repentance process and prayer with Heavnly Father don't know if I can kick this, but I know that thou wants me too, I need thy help. But like my husband says the moment we get baptised all Latter Day Saints become hypocrites as we strive for perfection. For me I find remembering that every time I sin I hurt the saviour and I play a part in the atonement every time I sin helps with my repentance Charley

We are going to need 2 copies lol - one for me and one for husband. I am voting that Dumbledore really dies this time - can't be Ron as he and Hermoine have to get married lol will never forgive JK Rowlling if she doesn't send those two off happy into the sunset. Charley

Modern scripture, Revelation, Pearl of Great Price and for me very much life experience. Have you never met someone for tyhe first time but known them? Charley

Old Testament: Esther - amazing lady put her life at rish for a whole nation New Testament: Peter - i just identify with his basic personality and can see me do a lot of the things he did Book of Mormon: Mormon - he brought Moroni up, abridged the plates and managed to be admired despite his beliefs Charley

Old Testament: Esther - amazing lady put her life at rish for a whole nation New Testament: Peter - i just identify with his basic personality and can see me do a lot of the things he did Book of Mormon: Mormon - he brought Moroni up, abridged the plates and managed to be admired despite his beliefs Charley

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I agree I am not saying it couldn't happen to my children or that they would be a victim of a crime in a big city, but it disturbs me - my son may opt to go on a mission at 19 he is gong to have companions that don't know how to look after themselves physically in that situation. I see the differences between a missionary that was brought up in a big city against one that wasn't - its very basic things, don't wear expensive watch, don't talk on your mobile walking down the street and have the right amount of confidence - you may still get mugged but less likely too. I feel the best you can do is to teach them to love their own body and keep lines of communication open - if my son/daughter said something if I wasn't sure at very least he wouldn't be going there again or allowed near that person. And by that time I want my boy to know how to speak up - like my husband said he had a companion he was very wary of, and just told him if he tried anything funny he would be phoning the mission president. I want kids to be like their Dad. Charley . . . do hope you don't mind me asking where you friends with the people you were staying with? Charley No, I wasn't. They were friends of my best friend's. Elphie t That is a situation I wouldn't allow with my kids unless it was they were being put up after a church thing and would make sure they had my mobile phone. I wouldn't feel comfortable with them staying with friends they just met - largely because I have seen so many movies and shows where that has been the start of problems Charley

I went tonight it was our new rating 12A which means over 12 or with an adult. It was really good, think its the best movie so far, but not sure if its because I haven't read the book in ages. But think might let Ellie skip this one some of it was a lot darker and she doesn't like the idea of losing family thats what causes mightmares. Charley

So are 20 year olds, women are actually at less risk than men and tbh I don't think my ability to look after myself was much different, my Mum made sure I knew the basics of self defence before I left elementary school, and also spent time teaching me how to look after myself. Plus at least in the UK a lot of kids leave home before 20 - I was gone by 19 and was a year older than I had planned leaving..... what do you do if they decide to go away to school or work before the age of 20 or even get married ? Charley

Oh I agree upto a point I can be a very clingy mother when I need to be, but because I am makes it easier to let people do things for me - I mean the old ladies in the restaurant were not going to harm my son whilst I was at the next table and other people are around, the person helping me onto the bus is unlikely to run off with a child - they may do but at the point most people offer help I am weak enough and with two kids they could just run off with the child or bop me over the head lol - same goes in the storm she was in such a weak position that if your husband had wanted to do something he could have. I just think our societies getting so suspicious is sad - ten years ago people would help each other going through train stations if you saw someone with a heavy bag you would help, now very few do and when you do people thing you want to steal it Charley Since then, I have made that same flight more then fifteen times for personal and business reasons. I do not mind crying babies and one day hope to be able to help out to compensate for the horrible experience I foisted on my fellow travelers. The people I hate on flights: drunks, loudmouths, cell-phone users, and impatient businessmen (usually the biggest [...] on a plane). When you travel, you have to recognize the rights of the other people on the plane and when that other person is a child, be prepared for what children do. Ogre I really feel for you I had that similar situation and only had Ellie at the time I was 3 months pregnant - I was just glad it was the British Airways flight on the way out as they were amazing and again it was only Americans that complained, and most people were very understanding including the poor young man who my daughter was sick over - he refused offer of a spare tshirt but did help look after my daughter..... and I completely agree with your last paragraph I do feel if you object strongly to normal daily life going on around you on a plain upgrade to first class or deal with what comes. You can't expect a child to be an angel for a full 11 hour flight and just sit nicely, my daughter can do it but suspect my son never will although he managed Harry Potter very well tonight, but he doesn't like TV and is too young for books Charley

I like the darker angle, just read the first one to my daughter but think might leave the rest as she is only 4 lol she is going to a best dressed broomstick party so thought she needed to know who Harry Potter was. I am hoping to go and see the movie tonight, my daughter and husband are going to Shrek so thought I would take baby into the back of Harry Potter. Do agree the movies are a complete waste of time if you haven't read the book though Does anyone know what the rating is? need to decide whether or not to take Ellie she loved first 4 movies and gets on better with darker stuff - Disney gives her nightmares lol Charley

That was really good Pam

Think the over 16 sleepovers were even more fun lol I wasn't restricted before then because I am in a place I could walk, bike or get the bus, I am hoping by 12 or 13 my kids can get themselves into and out of town. By 15-16 we were allowed to go further afield and we could go to Edinburgh to see a show or London for the weekend if we saved up and have a night away a hostel night is cheaper with more of us. Or a hotel is cheaper if you share the cost of a room. We even had a temple trip we went on with some YSA priesthood holders. We even got to go to Europe for week. By this point a couple of my friends had moved out of home and had their own rooms (they had chosen college courses away from home) - by 19 all of us had our own rooms or flats or were on missions (with exception of one friend). It was great fun at YSA things to sleep on someones floor and get no sleep at all - Kind of hope by 16 my kids will be trustworthy individuals bit late if they are not - for me the point of sleepovers is to help children get to the point they can be independent, and I hope they get chance to travel. Times will have to change drastically for me to want to change this for my kids. I think it was CS Lewis who said that as Mothers we are bringing our children up so that they no longer need us - I certainly want that for my children, if they want to come back that great but don't want them to need me for anything. Charley