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Everyone deserves to be happy and I will not judge someone who says "you know what Phil or Janice, I love you but I can't go down the path you are going. The darkness is not for me, farewell and best wishes" especially if I had suffered, pleaded and cried for them day and night. I would love them and ME enough to let them go and use their agency.
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I am not even 40 and I am retired. At this point in my life my children's salvation should be my priority. My wife's testimony is solid, as it should be and we are fighting together to push out the darkness from our home. It takes two! Whether dead or alive to be successful, I believe in power from the grave for widows and widowers.
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1 minute ago, anatess2 said:
Sure, you might be in Celestial glory while I rot in outer darkness. That's not the point. The point is... your wife is tumbling into outer darkness. Somebody who claims to Love someone enough to make a Covenant to God about it... the loved one's soul tumbling far from Christ would cause them to do everything in their power to help that soul find its way back to Christ. It is not about forcing a spouse to love God. It's about guiding the lost lamb and being the light in her darkest hour of need.
Meh, what am I saying. A person who love themselves more than they love their spouse is better off without one.
Outer darkness is a bit extreme Ana. I am just too worn and exhausted to do it now. At that point I let the Savior lead them home. I love them enough to let them go and use their free agency. As for me, I am very disposed to be happy with a woman who loves God. I am so grateful for my wife and her Love for God
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Just now, anatess2 said:
Marriage is not a blessing. Marriage is a COVENANT. The blessing comes from faithful fulfillment of such covenant. The covenant is not dependent on your wife's faithfulness. I have never heard of a single covenant God gave that says, you only Love your spouse if they love you back or if they love God. No, the covenant is to Love your Spouse. That means, you take on the duty and responsibility of bringing her soul to Christ.
But sure, you do you.
You can stay and go through your own hell. I'd move on and find another righteous companion that loved my Father and you know what? We'd both most likely end up in the same place, me and you. You guys can stop by and visit me and my spouse, as we most likely will be neighbors.
I can't and will not force my spouse to love God.
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Wow. You guys are quite different and that's okay. I would only suffer for so long with a person that doesn't love my Heavenly Father. I would inquire of the Lord on the matter and break away or stay and fight, depending on my answer. I have been through a LOT of trauma. Experienced a lot of death and heartache. I don't mind crushing the enemy and letting St. Peter sort out the souls. I don't mind leaving a horrible person behind and that even includes my wife if she decided she no longer loved my Heavenly Father. You do you. I'll search for another worthy companion IF EVER that arises (highly doubt it)
This stay and console the wounded soul is very situational with me. If this person started leading my children to hell they would be gone in a jiffy. Out of my home and on with their own life. This life is too short and I am aware that many righteous people do not have companions. Marriage is a blessing and a temple marriage is something to be honored.
My answers are my opinions. Counsel with your leaders and pray, always.
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12 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:
however potential destruction was looming over us
Seems pretty catastrophic but I'll just take you at your word.
As far as your friend I think it is very hard for a person to have a significant other pulling them from one extreme to another. Or even just being wishy washy on serving or being with you. As far as immorality goes you both owned it by amending the situation. Now if you or her felt the need to break up then that's sad. It really is but it might be for the best... might not.
I guess now time will tell.
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1 minute ago, LatterDSaint said:
Personally I am more concerned with whether she is dong the best thing for her relationship with Christ. Whether she serves a mission or chooses not to, my influence is much more limited. Her mother's influence as always (understandably) will be there. Her father's too and their parents unfortunately disagree... (that is all I will say about that)
I imagine there is a lot that you haven't told us. There is also things your friend did to you while you were dating that I find very rude. I will not go into specifics but I can see why you are concerned about the situation if not hurt
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After reading the responses I feel that your friend is doing the best thing for her and her family. She will be serving God and her parents tradition of family serving in the mission field. This will give you time to finish up school and do whatever else you need to do. Your Bishop gave you counsel now follow it.
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2 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:
Overwatch. I know the truth hurts but denying it makes me trust you even less... Have you or have you not been adamant that me and my hypothetical wife will be condemned if neither of us served?
There seems to be a disconnect with your reading and what I am telling you. You trusting me makes no difference to the truth that I told you. Serving a mission is an honor and a privilege. Your friend that is going on a mission is not obligated to serve but it will be a blessing in her life. ALL worthy young men are called to the work. There is a lot of work to be done. Someone else will pick up your slack and find the souls who are waiting for you if you willingly choose to not go.
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1 minute ago, LatterDSaint said:
Your perception is false. You are however contradicting the message of my Bishop. I take issue with this. You also appear to have this complex that you are the ultimate truth bearer. It is slightly disturbing. Serving a mission should be a decision between me and the Lord no? It appears that you are intent on shaming me if I have any reluctant feelings about serving. I find this disturbing also....
I am doing nothing of the sort. You are chossing to take offense for me saying serving a mission is a privilege and an honor.
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3 hours ago, Sunday21 said:
I teach as part of my job. A student asked to speak to me privately but only had a few minutes before she had to run off. We found a quiet spot in a hallway. The student is from Germany. I live in Canada. The question: I am dyslexic. Should I tell a prospective employer? She had no specific employer in mind. Just as a general policy, she wanted to know.
My answer: No. Try to cope. Pay for your own assistive devices eg software that reads to you. Hide the problem.
Now, I honestly believe this to be the right answer. I have worked in a wide variety of jobs: Government, social services, private sector.
I strongly believe, that:
1) in the absence of some sort of personal relationship eg you are hiring someone that you have worked with before.
2) in the absence of a special government program eg you have a quota for the disabled. Go hire one.
In the absence of the above, managers hire people to make their life easier. They do not hire someone who is a challenge.
Even if told to hire a disabled person, managers will look for a disabled person that they have a special relationship with, not someone off the street.
I honestly feel that I gave the right answer but...the student was horrified. Almost in tears. I get so used to telling people the blunt truth in other parts of my job that...I just said it.
I have a nonlds sister who hates this about me. If someone asks me a question...I tell them. I don’t give unsolicited advice but if you ask me....I will tell you.
i am uncomfortably aware that the textbook answer is: Be honest, Be up front with employer. But if you always do this, you will starve. Fine if your parents have connections but if you are on your own...
Actually I would love to write a paper entitled: Don’t believe the textbook when it says.....Maybe I will write a letter to the newspaper when I am really old. I had the ‘Student Success Centre’ person (SSC) in charge of helping students get jobs, present to my class. I pointed out to the class that my students who present themselves to SSC as rude or depressed tend to have a problem finding jobs. The SSC said, in a round about way, If you are depressed, Let us know. Her response is good in a sense that if the Uni has programs to refer depressed students to....but If you do speak up, the SSC people will not use their connections to find you a job.
Anyway, my poor student is very stressed and sad. She has been working hard with the department that helps disabled students...
In about a week, I could send her an email suggesting that on return to Germany, she try to get into a co-op program in Germany so that she can forge a relationship with a future employer or try to get a minute to talk to her in class...always very difficult. The end of class is like a rugby scrum!
I like your upfront opinion honesty, if you can take it in return I think you are golden.
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Do not tell them upfront. Tell them after you are hired. When you walk in and are working with your "trainer" at some point say "I am so happy to be here! Oh by the way I have [such and such] disability. If they fire you after that with no proof of wrong doing on your part they can be held liable. Everyone needs to eat and everyone can bring something to the table. Or like Zil said, it really isn't their business if you can do your job.
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50 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:
How do you know this?? I have seen many posts on here involving RM's who have come back, gotten married and either one of them appear to have just as much potential as a non missionary to be miserable. In short is your reasoning "Married and served a mission= great perfect life free of problems. Married and not served a mission= imperfect hellish marital relationship. The idea that a marriage cannot be fulfilled without serving a mission is foreign to me. Does anyone else share the same view? I find this slightly questionable... and take note, ideally my marital relationship would be with and RM whilst being an RM myself. This I cannot deny would be the most ideal marital relationship for every member of the church
You perhaps need to slow down and read context. You would be miserable as a missionary if you didn't want to be on a mission. You would be miserable and so would your mission companion if he wasn't able to uplift your spirit enough to be effective missionaries.
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48 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:
My Bishop allowed me to understand that those who look upon others as "imperfect" in the Church probably did not get the most out of their mission. Isn't it supposed to open your heart and be more understanding of each individual situation rather than outright shaming people for not conforming to our ideals? Of course I understand that those that do not serve will be missing out but this isnt the message I am getting from your posts at all
You are imperfect son. I would tell that to your face if you were in my presence. You are taking the truth to be hard. You seem to want to validate not going on a mission and ironically it appears you are condemning women who prefer to marry returned missionaries.
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43 minutes ago, LatterDSaint said:
You did not confirm no deny that I (if I do not serve a mission) will be condemned as well as my hypothetical non RM/RM wife. Perhaps you could confirm or deny this rather than cower away?
Where is this hostility coming from? I already edited my response earlier. Scroll up and read.
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8 hours ago, LatterDSaint said:
Perhaps you meant, I will miss out on the blessings that come with serving a mission. This I would be able to understand more than what you said.
No, I mean you will be miserable and so will your companion and quite possibly the people you attempt to teach will not feel the spirit
8 hours ago, LatterDSaint said:ahhh so my perception that those who do not serve will be condemned has been confirmed
Serving a mission is a privilege, period. Only your choices can condemn you before God. Only you know your thoughts and intentions to the exact. You don't need my validation but I will give my opinion, serving a mission will bring others and you joy.
8 hours ago, LatterDSaint said:seems we are on the same page here. Still amazed at your outright condemnation for someone who has not served a mission.
What are you getting at? You either want to serve or you don't. A lot of latter-day saint women see the good and take pride in missionary work. Don't you believe it is an important work to do?
8 hours ago, LatterDSaint said:So in effect you are telling me that my wife will be someone who I probably do not want to marry but over time I will learn to love and only that will make us perfect in the eyes of the Lord?
Smh. No, meaning you both will be imperfect.
I have more to write, about to enter a meeting. Will finish in a bit.
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Just leave her be to do her own thing. You will find another worthy woman no problem when you get home. Go on your mission and serve righteously. However, if you do not want to serve then do not go, It will be worse for you. Going on a mission is a privilege. I saw young men runaway from the mission field and some even come on unworthily. If you are not worthy and or your heart is not in the work your companion will know. It would be better for you to stay and serve in a way more suitable to your disposition and worthiness.
It is said all worthy young men should serve missions. If you are unworthy of a mission do not go. It is an honor to serve the Lord of hosts. It is a blessing to invite others to come unto Christ. If you want it for a vain badge of bachelor status to impress some future or current young lady then I will tell you your heart is in the mud. Get yourself straight and heed the call to work in field and the vineyard. Thrust the sickle and gather the Lord's wheat while there is still daylight.
The Lord, our King, has many handmaidens. A faithful, lonely, servant will not go unnoticed. He will guide you to a wife suitable for you and you for her. Together you will chip away the rough edges you both have. This may take a while but in due time you will be smooth together and beautiful unto God. You will not regret serving a mission if you serve with all your might, mind and strength.
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I was a young man. I remember watching the news and seeing the fallout of the situation. I saw the troops rise up and the work of death commence in retaliation for the slap to our faces. I myself even put on my armor and went to war many years later. Both sides still in conflict.
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1 hour ago, Fether said:
I am giving a talk next Sunday on family history. I love this topic and have a lot of passion for it. But in my ponderings I realized that there are a couple questions I have and that I feel naturally come to our minds.
1) When it comes to family history, why do Ivneed to do it now? EVERYONE is ganna get their work done in the millennium, why do I need to put great effort into it now?
2) What does it mean when Joseph Smith said “they without us can not be made perfect - neithet us without our dead be made perfect”
thoughts?
Secondary question:
Is keeping a personal journal part of doing family history work?
My response is just based on personal experience and is most likely not found in resource. I had the privilege of visiting the spirit world. I was very ill a few years back and I had been vomiting intermittently. After a particularly bad session of vomiting I laid down and all of my pain went away. The last thing I remember feeling was my entire body had the fuzzy feeling, like when your foot falls asleep. I then found myself in an area of the spirit world where people had not known Jesus during mortal life. I was given authority to feel all of their emotions and identify each emotion in specificity. Some were even "speaking" aloud or projecting their thoughts. They were afraid, confused, angry. Some didn't expect to still be alive after leaving mortality. They had not planned for this ordeal and it was frustrating. They could not leave the designated area. I felt my brethren and I heard their pleas for relief. My spirit ached and began to call out to them. I testified to them that they had a Savior. That Jesus had suffered for them. Mid sentence I was removed from their presence and I abruptly awoke. I could feel my pain again. The Lord had mercy on me and sent me back to my wife and babies.
I testify to you that the spirits of the dead ARE suffering without their temple work done. It is OUR responsibility to help them along in a timely manner. The sooner the better to feel relief. Are not we all family? Are we not kinsmen of the Kingdom of our Father? We are ALL Children of God and the mercy of His Beloved Son is extended to all who call upon Him and enter into His righteous covenants. We help them enter into those covenants if ever the occasion warrants. This life is madness at times; thank goodness for the plan of salvation and the holy temples that are part of that plan.
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Hi! If you are bothered by it then talk to your bishop about it. You don't have to use her name if you don't want to. If you feel like she is sneaking into the mission field you have every right to feel hurt AND concerned. Once you mention it to your bishop then let it go. After that point you passed it onto the Bishop and he and The Lord will take care of it. Be satisfied that you did your best to be helpful no matter if she is postponed or goes "on time". You ARE your sister's keeper, just make sure you are doing things for the right reasons.
I'm proud of you for standing up for what is right. Remember your best friends are found in the Godhead. Then those closest to you. Don't be afraid to let people and things fall out of your life that aren't in harmony with your spiritual growth and salvation.
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On 9/5/2018 at 7:44 PM, Brie said:
Hi All,
This is my first post on this forum so bear with me.
I am the Relief Society president in my YSA ward. I have had the calling for about 7 months now. I accepted the calling with quite a bit of hesitancy - I am not typically the personality that you would think of when it comes to the job. I enjoy dark, irreverent humor and I am often described as an odd duck. I like it that way. However, I had been endowed a couple of months prior and felt I was on a spiritual high, and I thought I could be a great resource to the girls in the ward as I am a good listener and I'm pretty good at being nonjudgmental. I also felt very close to my Bishop that I would be serving with.
The day I was sustained, it was announced that there would be a new bishopric. Okay, no big deal - I will support my leadership and I'm sure they'll do wonderfully. We got along alright, especially with the counselors. However, over time Bishop and I started butting heads. In order for me to be sane in this calling, I wanted to be ME. My own best version of RS president. However, he had a different vision - he wanted me to be a very cookie cutter version of myself, doing things in a way he was familiar with.
I struggled, but I believe I was called for a reason. I was motivated to do good by my ward and by the Lord. A LOT of things in my life started changing though. I had been dating a guy long-distance that I had met on Mutual (Mormon dating app) before even getting the calling, but it started getting more serious. In addition, I got my first big girl job (which as someone with MAJOR job anxiety was a HUGE deal for me), and life just got busy. I started enjoying church less and less, because Ward Council would always end on a very sour note. I became FAR less engaged in the ward than I had been, except for a few very close friends. But I continued to trek on in the calling. I did what needed to be done. I reached out to those I felt prompted to.
But. For the past good while, I have felt COMPLETELY disengaged from this calling. I want so badly to salvage my testimony, but I feel so overwhelmed by the responsibilities of it all. In addition, I have been struggling with issues that I struggled with when I was inactive. To much lesser degrees, but still. It's a vicious cycle - I felt a disconnect from the gospel despite this wonderful calling, so I'd make choices that pushed me farther away, then I'd feel even farther away, etc etc.
In addition, because of my past inactivity, my family (who I live with) always assumes that if I make one little mistake or do something they disapprove of, I must be committing horrible sins, because I have in the past... But I have repented of those sins. It hurts to see the lack of trust. For example, when I visited my boyfriend, they assumed that we were breaking the law of chastity and being irresponsible. Simply not the case.
Anyway, this is so rambling, I apologize. I'll get to the point. At this time in my life, I am struggling with my calling and I honestly believe it is harming my relationship with the gospel. I also know I am not making the best choices, but it's nothing that would call for me to be released. It still is hard to deal with with all the added pressure however. I just feel as if I'm being forced into a little box and it makes me want to punch my way out and run away! But I don't want to leave. I want to remain active and good and faithful. But in my position, it is so hard. Also, the fact that I've had several quite negative run-ins with my bishop, as well as hearing him talk about others in their failures/faults, does not make me comfortable expressing all of this to him. At. All.
Basically I'm a hot mess. The only person I've expressed all this to is my boyfriend. But he's probably sick of hearing it and I'd love to hear what you guys have to say. Thanks.
Whoa. Reading this almost put me into mini... anxiety attack or something. Like your brain is swirling in a million directions.
First off there isn't a "normal". Be you and your dark humor self. Just try to be appropriate; I am sure saying jokes like "you are so mad you want to punch a dead kitten in the face" during church isn't going to be recieved well. As far as your Bishop goes he was called for a reason whether good or bad. Just be respectful. If he is wrong the Lord will hem him up. If He is right the Lord will enlighten you and help you move forward in your calling.
Now with your boyfriend, stop pushing the limits (if you are) Keep the commandments like you have been. Be grateful your family is holding you accountable. When you build a reputation for yourself sometimes it takes a while to show you have changed. As far as your other faults are concerned... CUT IT OUT. Seriously, just stop doing whatever it is you are doing wrong.
So, as a reminder, we weren't made to be 100% happy in this life. Men are that they might have joy... eventually. Not in this life though; not uninterrupted joy. You can recieve quite a bit of peace in the midst of the storm though. Keep up the good work (I assume you are doing something right in your life)
As far as your busy, flakey and not interested counselors, talk to them. Tell them you need help. If no positive results then fire them with a plate of cookies and a thank you.
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Hi! Absolutely it is a sin. We are supposed to honor our bodies as a temple. Just as killing someone and cutting someone else with a blade is a sin, so is hurting and cutting your own body. As far as keeping you from the temple I imagine it is up to your Bishop and Stake President. I think it would be best to get as close to the Lord as possible. If you think yours or someone else's cutting is going to result in them attempting to cut someone else then of course stay away from the temples.
Above ALL reach out and get help. Tell the bishop or counsel your friend to tell their bishop and he can help you/ them get the help that is needed.
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On 9/6/2018 at 12:08 AM, myrmidon said:
So yes it is the churches fault I didnt know these things
The "Church" has offered all of the information in different forms in the past. Going to seminary and institute was the way to learn even more truths. Reading books offered by historians was also a good way. Now a LOT of stuff is online and available at a click. The wards don't go into deeper study because there is so much to consider with the information you find. Some of it would just be out of place especially for visitors.
Anything else you learn besides the basics is just fluff in this life. Our temple records are so messed up at the moment that a lot of it needs to be redone. Everyone is still learning God lives, Jesus is the Christ and The Book of Mormon is true. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is The Lord's restored church. The Gospel is perfect but the Saints are not. They CAN be just as ugly as any sinner out on the streets. Even worse often because saints actually know better as to how we should conduct ourselves. Is education important? Absolutley. We should strive to learn and grow. God is not a respecter of persons. What do the humble farmer and medical doctor have in common? They are both children of God and will both become like Father if they live righteously. Eat and drink deeply from the records of the past but never forget, EVERYONE is growing and we all make mistakes. Challenge your doubts and stand firm in what you know to be true as you study and learn. Don't be disappointed when you see things for what they really are. Sometimes we make things bigger in our minds for both good and bad.
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Easier? No, it's about having someone love me and respect their covenants too. A husband and wife need to be in harmony. As far as not caring for their salvation I have no idea where you got that. They can repent and have another go,when they are ready, with another companion.