LDSGator

Yeah, I see it totally differently. If Biden loses left wingers will take it as a reason to strike back-only because Trumpers started it and did it first. So even if they don’t like Biden-and you are right, they don’t, the hard left (Antifa, BLM) loves to riot and destroy stuff so they’ll align with Biden simply because the enemy of their enemy is a friend.  And, they’ll look for any reason to do what the J6th crowd did. Any reason. Including Biden losing. They’ll rally around him. 
 
I can’t wait to watch the j6 crowd talk about respecting law and order, the constitution, democracy, etc. It’s going to be delicious.  

I noticed this for the first time when Hilary was running.  The amount of hate directed at her from the hard left surprised the heck out of me.  But it made sense after a little thought.  15+ years ago, Democrats were the people-friendly anti-corporatists, and Republicans were the pro-business fans of deregulation.   By the time Hilary was on the ticket, we all knew the Dems were all making millions with insider stock trades, in bed with big business and lobbyists.  They were livid that Hil and Trump were basically both (in their minds) corrupt capitalists bankrolled by big business.
In fact, it was from a hard leftie that I got this pic:

 
Agreed.  They're all about supporting the 2020-21 BLM civil unrest, but they do it by wearing blinders and refusing to acknowledge the lawlessness/rioting/looting/destruction/violence.  The average democrat or liberal has zero interest in actually moving onto the street and trying to do something themselves.  They're all about having government do the things with other people's money.
As for J6, I'm grateful they found, arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced so many.  98% of what happened that day was just fine, but holy crap that 2% was a doozie.  

I strongly disagree. J6 was the act of right-wing extremists. Left wing extremists have no love for Biden. Liberal Dems will weep if Biden loses, but there won't be an insurrection. Liberals don't have the stomach for that. Investigations, perhaps, but nothing outside the official bureaucratic channels.

Ironically, Biden (left of the Reagan Republicans, but still probably one of the more moderate Democrats today) has that same problem.  We see him called a far left liberal by one side, and yet his own people are unhappy with him due to him being far too conservative for them. 
Haley is probably right on some things.  I don't know who would win today between Trump and Biden, but I think Haley would have a far better chance to win over independents if she actually got the nomination. 

Same. I get a giddy little buzz being called a “shill for the right” by liberals and an “urban elitist” or “sheer evil” by conservatives. Seriously, I absolutely love it.

Same. I get a giddy little buzz being called a “shill for the right” by liberals and an “urban elitist” or “sheer evil” by conservatives. Seriously, I absolutely love it.

Indeed...

My prediction/conspiracy theory is..
No matter who wins the loser will claim election fraud as an excuse for poor behavior for losing.
But neither party will be proactive in securing the election because neither one are sure they can win a fair vote.  Calling fraud is too good of a tool for either side to risk giving it up.  Thus furthering our slide into the Divided States of America
 

Which is why I always claim to be a far left looney liberal here on these forums.
In real life I have normally been considered somewhat conservative (even if I am officially an independent).  I suppose you could call me a Reagan Republican/Conservative in some ways.
But, compared to those who are on the Far right I'm as loony left as anyone else, including those on the Far left...or at least that's what those on the Far Right probably consider me as. 
In truth, today, I'm probably more moderate, and probably center right as far as political leanings are concerned, but in relation to the things expressed on these forums at times...I'm the enemy of everything Conservative as far as I can see of my reputation.
I actually prefer Biden to Trump.  Biden is actually pretty moderate all things considered and is the best that the Democrats probably can offer in that regards these days.  That's also why he stood a chance against Trump.  It's not that he's liberal or conservative, but that he appealed more to the middle last election than Trump did.  We will see if that is still the case of if Trump (or someone else, who knows, strange things can happen) gets elected. 
I don't actualy see Trump as left or right (though ironically the right sees him as conservative).  He's more looney and in it for himself than anything else I think.  He has conservatives that surround him and thus why many of the policies he had were conservative (because those conservative republicans were the ones enacting them), but he, himself...he has switched back and forth between parties and opinions.  He just works for whoever he thinks will get the most for him, himself, and his own. 

I think it depends on how much People are looking at what Republicans are doing vs. common sense.
The Republicans are trying to impeach Biden and cause trouble for his son...and one of their star witnesses and who they relied on for a LOT of their information was just revealed to be a Russian stooge (and possibly spy/agent to cause disruption and chaos).
The Republicans say they want to stop what's happening at the Border but then vote against the strongest border bill in decades, one they helped craft even!!!  And then go on to have a House impeachment of someone else saying he isn't enforcing the Border...well...you bunch of fools...the same could be said of YOU!!!
They have talked a LOT about the budget and cutting spending...but one of the BIG reasons we are in this mess is because those tax changes you made under Trump (which are expiring for the Middle Class in many ways, but NOT those who actually help PAY a LOT of the Taxes previously) are causing us to have a smaller amount of money and go deeper in DEBT!  How about actually putting your actions where your mouth is, undo those tax cuts for the wealthy and in general and get a sensible monetary policy (that most others do) where you actually need to have an INCOME to  pay the bills, rather than constantly trying to cut your income and then blame someone else for all the bills??
I'm probably a conservative leaning independent, and in the past I've loved some of the Republican lawmakers, but I'm about sick of the clown show they've been running in the House.  They are chasing away a lot of moderate who are now choosing to retire rather than re-run for election.  They are making those left even less desired as those I would like in office. 
I don't know who will win or won't win, but I say let's be done with the conspiracy theories and just kick out the Do NOTHING Republicans who hypocritically say one thing and do the exact opposite (for example, the border...let's be realistic...that bill was the BEST bill they could have hoped for since they don't fully control their OWN HOUSE because they are split and they don't control the Senate...a vote against it was a vote for do nothing  because anything THEY come up with that is stronger won't stand a chance of passing and THEY KNOW IT).

Every time I see the title of this thread I envision what my new church uniform might be. I mean I already wear a white shirt to church. But maybe something like my dress blues from the Air Force? Or the Marines dress blues. That was always classy looking.

You and I have posted this one so much that it should be the anthem here. 

Happy birthday @mirkwood! 

It might be one of the most relatable stories about caring for the poor and needy out there.  Joseph Smith loved it, and it's been a favorite of the saints ever since.  
Plus: 
 

Happy birthday @mirkwood! 

Happy birthday @mirkwood! 

Happy birthday @mirkwood! 

Happy birthday @mirkwood! 

No, that would be a KISS fan.

Sorry I missed it. Silly me, I pegged you as being lonely and miserable. Imagine that.

That’s a reason why I never friend anyone from my childhood. I don’t want to ruin the few pleasant memories I have due to adult disagreements. 
 
Sorry it happened to you bro 

I had that, and I lost it.  My old childhood friend and I were so happy to have found each other on facebook and were gleefully solving all the world's problems by battling it out and arguing online.  Dude was disabled former military, who married a lady who transitioned apparently.
Then COVID lockdowns and social strife occurred, and my buddy's PTSD kicked in, the conversations got so personal for him he just turned nasty.  No more arguing online with the opposite side of the fence.  It's one of the reasons I'm glad you're here, PP.
 

Agree. Like I said I can’t really relate to life in the military. Nor do I particularly want to, to be honest. 

Me either.🤓

I think most people in the military generally respect other people who wear the uniform, even people from demographics that they normally might avoid associating with in civilian life.
I'll admit that I've been out of uniform for a little over a decade, so I don't know the current dynamics of military readiness, but my gut reaction is that social politics and combat readiness aren't mutually exclusive, or at least they don't have to be.