zil2

Members
  • Posts

    3013
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    132

Everything posted by zil2

  1. Only, in what numbering system is M equal to 600? In Roman, M is 1000. So that's out. It can't be Hebrew: A=1, G=3, M=40. If it's just someone's made up nonsense then any old idiot can make up a rule that X = Y, thereby making the whole thing meaningless.
  2. Welcome to ThirdHour, @Ajmargin! I hope you'll stick around and perhaps take some time to introduce yourself.
  3. Meanwhile, @Jedi_Nephite, pictures, or it didn't happen!
  4. Best wishes to you and your furry family! I kept mine almost completely apart (other than escape attempts) for 3.5 days. Feeding treats near the door that separates them will help. By the end of the 3.5 days, they were ready to meet.
  5. It helps to have more than just one verse, especially when the verse starts with a conjunction: Isaiah 28:9-17 ...and really, you just need to keep going... These people have "made a covenant with death" and "with hell are [they] at agreement". Of course the precepts of the Lord will make them fall backward, be broken, snared, and taken. We should be grateful when the Lord puts stumbling blocks in the path of the wicked, even when the wicked are us, and even when the stumbling block is nothing other than the truth.
  6. I agree, but it does make sense to me that those in spirit prison are not walking amongst those in paradise - they are in a separate space and cannot leave until permitted. (This is what I believe, as related in that PDF, and makes sense to me, but I don't know of scripture or prophetic word that says so, therefore, take it for all it's worth... )
  7. Seems consistent with, if less detailed / differently focused than, the account I linked at the end of this comment:
  8. OK... Initial thought: Here we have an example of Ammon transitioning someone from one understanding to another. Instead of first getting hung up on the technicality that God isn't the "Great Spirit", Ammon just works with what Lamoni understands. As others have mentioned, "Spirit Prison" - or a prison designed to hold spirits after their mortal lives end - is a pretty accurate term. Next thought: How often is this concept, and the term "prison", used in scripture? (I'll be relying on indexes since I've never cared enough to get all technical about the location/state of post-mortal spirits vs pre-mortal rebellious spirits who were cast out vs resurrected Sons of Perdition vs post-judgement rebellious spirits vs the kitchen sink.) Isaiah 24:22, as far as I can tell speaks of the wicked being "shut up in the prison" during the Millennium Isaiah 42:7, I suppose you could argue either of two meanings - the Lord rescuing the righteous who are unjustly imprisoned (not what I think), or the Lord opening the spirit prison through proxy work (what I think) Isaiah 61:1, ditto 1 Peter 3:19, as already mentioned Revelation 20:7, describes Satan as in a prison D&C 76:73, mentions spirits in prison to whom the gospel was preached (see also 138:8–10, 18–21, 28–37) D&C 88:99, when those who were in prison are resurrected D&C 128:22, Also mentions the dead being redeemed "out of their prison" Moses 7:38, the Lord speaks of a prison prepared for those who will die in the flood Moses 7:57, speaks of spirits in prison at the Second Coming So, while the exact phrase "Spirit Prison" doesn't appear in scriptures, "prison" is clearly used as a location / state for some spirits (interestingly, not in the Book of Mormon). While your son could just call it "prison" as the scriptures do, that could get confusing, depending on context and the person to whom he's speaking. In regards to the difference between prison and hell (and its various other terms): my understanding is that baptism is required to escape spirit prison - or at least to progress in the spirit world. Thus, spirit prison would not be a uniform state for everyone there - some might be in the depths of wickedness (hell) while others are simply average people who have not yet had any ordinances done by proxy (limitations). Now this impression could be wrong and I don't have time to go dig around to see if I can find talks or articles about it - honestly, I doubt there's anything explicit said (though see the quote at the end of this reply). But even if it's not correct, I still suspect that this prison holds a wide range of people from bad to horrific. Final thought: I don't have time for it tonight, but related index topics to study: Hell (and all the topics linked at the top); topic article Outer Darkness (ditto) perdition, bottomless pit, second death, everlasting fire, lake of fire & brimstone, damnation might all need to be studied too. Spirit world, also not found in scripture (D&C 138 comes close with "world of spirits") IMO, only after studying all these, and perhaps the writings of prophets, might one be able to speak about distinctions and which term is "correct" in any given situation. PS: Here's a quote from then Elder Nelson, April 2015 GC, "The Sabbath Is a Delight" Personally, I'm not second guessing a prophet. To be as blunt as your son, I think he's not in a position to reject the term and is straining at a gnat. Humility would be better than begrudging obedience.
  9. Welcome, @kat20000! Some things to consider: Consider that Satan could be sending you "false negatives" in hopes of keeping you from serving. Consider that the Lord is trying your faith. Resolve to serve, no matter what, and eventually (potentially after you are in the assigned mission field), you will receive your confirmation (ala Ether 12:6). Consider too that any mission, faithfully served, is always better than no mission served. Consider that perhaps whatever is wrong will be resolved in the due time of the Lord (e.g. something will happen between now and when you are assigned to leave to change your assignment). Consider that your prayers need to change in some way - for example (since I don't know what you're asking), instead of asking whether the call is "correct", ask what you need to do to prepare to serve, or ask what you need to do to be at peace with the call, or simply what the Lord would have you do today, etc. If you haven't added fasting and extended scripture study, do so. You might consider talking with your bishop, if you think that will help. Other things you can try: put your name on the prayer roll of the temple; go to the temple (make sure you're worthy!), and take an ancestor's name; study Nephi's experience when he was commanded to slay Laban, for an example of working through something that seems wrong to you, and yet comes from the Lord; ask those closest to you to pray for you. Hopefully others here will have yet more ideas.
  10. It's "soccer" - from "association football". Oh, I dunno. First, there are the fancy knee-high socks. And then there are all the screams and whines when someone gets kicked in the socks, er, shins. And then there's the fighting where everyone, fans included, is socking each other....
  11. We interpret these not as "God will prevent you from understanding", but rather, "God will not force you to understand". If you choose to close your eyes and ears, God will respect your choice, while at the same time (I believe) arranging everything to give you the best chances and outcome.
  12. I was watching and reading Elder Kearon's GC talk, "God's Intent Is to Bring You Home" and thought of this thread. You might like it, @Jamie123 - if nothing else, he's British (and sounds it) and he starts off with a mother-in-law joke...
  13. Got it. Thank you for clarifying. Makes sense now.
  14. Do not get between the Secret Service and, well, anything. Those folk are scary serious and total professionals when on the job. (Also, don't try to pet their dogs without first getting permission - apparently even the bomb dogs are trained to attack you first and ask questions later.)
  15. Not that the following advice is easy, but I see a spiritual opportunity:
  16. Utterly unrelated to everything except this word, here's an amazingly politically incorrect song that should not be funny and yet I find it ridiculously funny (I chose the lyrics version so you could see why it should not be funny):
  17. Yeah. Yeah. Do you mean "claim not to know" or "claim to know"?
  18. Twas not @mordorbund who thought that. You need to re-examine the clues in @Vort's puzzle.
  19. (Though there are times when it seems clear that "soul" and "spirit" are used synonymously.)
  20. Well, as I recall, that one time I met him (and other ThirdHour folk), he looked exactly like David James Elliott. (Or it might be that JAG is easier to type than Just_A_Guy.)
  21. Yes. He's a teenager now and far more mischievous than Klaw ever dreamed of being.
  22. IMO, the black mood was Satan's influence (consider that he is always the source of such feelings as you describe: anger, hatred, horrible, worse, meaningless, empty - those are all Satan's tools, not God's), and when you chose to return, you were in essence rejecting that influence (acting contrary to it) and he lost the power to force those feelings on you and thus the feelings stopped. I expect that had you gone into your home and stewed, the feelings would have gotten worse, at least for a time. They may have faded after a night's rest - or not... I expect any good thing - such as prayer or reading from scripture - would also have ended those feelings.
  23. Meanwhile, regarding flying turkeys...
  24. In my house, Smoke is the turkey. (It's possible you have to be as old as or older than I am to understand that. Or maybe you have to be a member of my extended family. Not sure. Regardless, Smoke's a turkey.)