We LDS do funny things.

[ruthiechan]

Oh, and a point I forgot to make is that I think it is this way by virtue of men holding the Priesthood, and not because we felt they are better speakers, more intelligent, or more spiritual. It was often the case that the opposite was true.

I can't put my finger on any one thing, other than the Priesthood... meaning the Priesthood holder presides in the home. The Church's plan is to put the presiding speaker last.

That's pretty much my opinion of it. The Priesthood holder typically goes last because they hold the Priesthood. The very fact that men have the Priesthood and women do not seems sexist and unfair, especially to new comers.

I don't see how the woman speaking first is a courtesy, unless they had stage fright or something. I would not mind giving a talk for the entire hour.

I don't understand how women would have an easier time getting a Temple recommend, that seems unfair.

However, we women ARE supposed to obey our husbands, and they in turn should listen to us and heed our counsel. We are ONLY to obey so long as they are presiding righteously. Anyone who has married in the Temple or been part of a marriage sealing should know this. Men and women are NOT equal. We are NOT the same. Equal partners does not mean we do the same things. It means both our roles are vitally important, that one is not more important than the other. Because without both parts you can not have the whole.

[lilered]

Lilered, I had to look at your profile becasue I just knew you had to be a man. Only a man would make that comment! the reason these things don't bother the men is because it is the men who are the ones who make the decisions, who are the ones who decides who speaks and when they speak. Men have dominated society since Adam and Eve. Wear a dress for a few months and maybe you'll get it.

My dear, you obviously have never met my wife.

I particuliarly do not share your view that men are always the domineering ones and have always dominated society. I do believe however, like it or not, God has mad the decision for the Holy Priesthood to lead his church. I also automatically assumed if you are an active member, you do raise your hand in support of those righteouse Priesthood Brethren who lead, thus supporting their decisions. Likewise, also doing so while attending the temple. :)

Personally, it is my belief that women are equal, we just have seperate responsiblities, including sharing the Priesthood.

Edited January 14, 2009 by lilered

[Guest Alana]

In my ward, there is no pattern for the speakers, other than youth speaker first. It seems rare that a couple will speak together. On occasion we'll have couples give the opening and closing prayer, but the order varies.

As far as standing for the middle hymn, I've never been in a ward that does, and I'm glad. It makes me uncomfortable because it reminds me of negative memories from other churches before I joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In practice I could see it being helpful to wake people up. My kids keep me more than awake:)

[applepansy]

We are ONLY to obey so long as they are presiding righteously. Anyone who has married in the Temple or been part of a marriage sealing should know this. Men and women are NOT equal. We are NOT the same. Equal partners does not mean we do the same things. It means both our roles are vitally important, that one is not more important than the other. Because without both parts you can not have the whole.

I agree.

I personally think Heavenly Father gave men the Priesthood to even up the responsibilities a bit. As women we have a lot on our plates. . .Heavenly Father is watching out for us.

I agree Ruthie, if both sides were the same we'd never get a "whole"

applepansy

[Connie]

Ephesians 5

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Family Proclamation: "By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness"

My opinion: We live more in a woman's world than a man's world these days, and it's made things a whole lot worse (not that they weren't bad before but that they are worse, it is the last days after all). And, no, i am not a man.

2 Nephi 13: 12

And my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to err and destroy the way of thy paths.

[boyando]

Tradition is the answer to most of the questions, asked.

Even though the first Presidency has sent letters, against some of these traditions, they still go on, because new Bishops like to do things the way there favorite Bishop, from the past, did it.

As too why there is no Priesthood room; The whole Priesthood, of a ward, only gathers together for ten or fifteen minutes, and then it's off to quorums, which breaks down into five rooms. Still, I think the real answer is money vs. need.

All the leaders of the Church, can or have seen the Church grow so quickly, that it is hard to keep up with the need for new chapels. Add to that, President Hinkely's desire for only two wards per chapel, and you can see the need to spend the money, wisely. I don't believe that President Monson has changed that policy.

Just my thoughts on the subject

[Moksha]

Probably the best argument for women being on the High Council, is that their speeches would be more interesting.

[georgia2]

Probably the best argument for women being on the High Council, is that their speeches would be more interesting.

Finally something funny on the funny things we do thread!

hey, where's the laugh button?

[Palerider]

Probably the best argument for women being on the High Council, is that their speeches would be more interesting.

I am ready for them to takeover....that would mean....I would not have to give anymore talks....I am all for it.....:)

[applepansy]

giggle. . . maybe there would be less snoring on the Sundays that H.C. speaks. LOL

Thanks Moska. And Pale, you'd miss talking.

[Palerider]

giggle. . . maybe there would be less snoring on the Sundays that H.C. speaks. LOL

Thanks Moska. And Pale, you'd miss talking.

Pale is on the High Council and he has to speak this Sunday.....:eek:

[applepansy]

Pale is on the High Council and he has to speak this Sunday.....:eek:

Just think of all the good study time you're getting. And if you get nervous just visualize the audience in. . . oops. . .nevermind.

[Palerider]

Just think of all the good study time you're getting. And if you get nervous just visualize the audience in. . . oops. . .nevermind.

what do you think I have been doing all this time.....LOL!!!!!!!

[applepansy]

what do you think I have been doing all this time.....LOL!!!!!!!

:lol: Super Palerider :lol:

[annewandering]

Isn't the relief society room used for funerals in most wards? I always assumed that is why that room is nicer and bigger. Then since men care about the comfort of their wives they opt for another room for themselves.

[annewandering]

Oh I didnt mean they held the funeral there but the viewing and family prayer etc before the funeral is.

[georgia2]

The Relief Society room is usually used for any meeting that a smaller group is expected and it creates a cozy comforting spirit. All organizations use it for certain meetings. The Relief Society actually only uses it expressly on Sunday during Relief Society! (at least in my ward) The youth use it for opening on Wednesday nights, it is used for Gospel essentials class on Sunday, correlation meeting early Sunday, and baptisms. Maybe it's called the Relief Society room because it is the only room that is comfortably decorated!

[applepansy]

I'm sure that in some cases the RS room has been used for funerals. But not in the 4 Stakes I've lived in in my 50 years. The funerals are held in the chapel.

applepansy

[Misshalfway]

For us it i usually the RS room or the YW room where the viewing is held and then the actual services are in the chapel.

[Gwen]

our rs room isn't all that great (other than what the sis put into it, nothing about the building structure is nice).... i guess only the big wards get special treatment. lol

[georgia2]

our rs room isn't all that great (other than what the sis put into it, nothing about the building structure is nice).... i guess only the big wards get special treatment. lol

Yeah, heard the joke about the RS room having a tablecloth & silk flowers?

Our RS room doesn't have that but it is the only room with curtains and cushioned chairs!

mentioning that, I sure wish we could decorate a little. Being an adult convert, my husband and I never have understood why the children's rooms, especially the nursery isn't allows to put colorful pictures on the wall. Some primary rooms have a little that may go with the theme for the year.

Another thing we think is pretty funny is how everybody is so busy they don't take the time to talk and associate.

[Superbaldguy]

I didn't go through all 10 pages of this thread, but our invocation is done by a Priesthood holder and the benediction is done by an RS sister, is that backwards or against Church policy?

[Palerider]

I didn't go through all 10 pages of this thread, but our invocation is done by a Priesthood holder and the benediction is done by an RS sister, is that backwards or against Church policy?

I would say its done that way in alot of areas....you are correct and not backwards....:)

[Lbybug]

Another thing we think is pretty funny is how everybody is so busy they don't take the time to talk and associate.

really?? when i used to go to church that was pretty much the only thing that happened!! talking and associating. we'd sometimes spend up to an hour after church talking and associating with everyone. the hallways on the way from sacrament meeting to classes was always crowded with people talking and visiting. maybe i misunderstood, but in the wards i always attended there was definately not a lack of talking and associating.

[applepansy]

I didn't go through all 10 pages of this thread, but our invocation is done by a Priesthood holder and the benediction is done by an RS sister, is that backwards or against Church policy?

Its up to the Bishop. . .not backwards and not against Church policy.