Revelation and more

[InquisitiveSoul]

I've read a few posts and a number of quotes regarding personal revelation. Is revelation limited to you and your family? Or do you believe other information can be revealed?

IE Sometimes you will see these true crime shows where they talk about police using psychics to find a break in the case...

Is there any belief in psychic phenomena or is this seen as being on the opposite side of the spectrum from revelation and maybe even coming from the wrong source?

[MisterT]

I've read a few posts and a number of quotes regarding personal revelation. Is revelation limited to you and your family? Or do you believe other information can be revealed?

That's a good question; one I'd liked answered. We would not receive revelations about church business or practices, but I do believe one would receive revelations in the service of others, such as home teaching families, relatives, very close friends, and people of that nature.

IE Sometimes you will see these true crime shows where they talk about police using psychics to find a break in the case...

We know for a fact that witchcraft (or whatever you want to call it) was practiced in the past; Pharoh Ramses, who chased Moses with his armies only to be swallowed up, had court magicians who completed several tasks identical to the miracles that Moses shew Pharoh; then we also read that they were confounded during the plagues and unable to reverse the curse opon Pharoh.

We also know that Jesus cast out unclean spirits that would posess the bodies of mortal men and women; so we know for a fact that there are in fact spirits who've never had a body (and will seize any one they can get their hands on, for as long as they can), and that they are capable of, in some way, interact with the Fathers law of the universe. I also believe that the spirits of family and friends may be sent back after death to deliver revalations, instructions, or warnings; several of the prophets have commented upon the use of witchcraft, Ouiji Boards, and other paraphenalia as being "the work of the Great Deceiver."

We also know that Lucifer, literally the God of this planed until Christ returns, is malicious and will spare no effort to effect our lives as negatively as possible, so I could see Lucifer "stationing" spirits full of hate and malice in certain places, for the soul purpose (yes the pun was intended) of creating havoc and fear.

I have never seen a spirit, but I do believe my ex-mother-in-law who claimed to have been councelled when looking to buy a house not to buy the one the Spirit was in.. The house was inhabited sortly thereafter, and within a few days the new family were deceased from Carbon Monoxide poisoning as ivy had grown into the chimney cutting off the intended path of the smoke and instead forcing it into the house, killing the family that had just moved in.

I don't believe in space aliens all that much; why would any intelligent being want to waste time on a planet with people who are disgusting and wicked enough to kill the Son of God. Which begs the question of "how many of the planets that the Father has made have intelligent life on them, and do they also have their own saviour for each inhabited planet, or is there only one First Begotten Son for provide salvation for all the Sons and Daughters of our God, no matter where they are in our Gods universe??

If its the case that we are the wickedest of all The Father's children, and that only we would have killed Him; thus fulfilling the ancient covenant with the people of Zion, and the ending of Mosaic law, and the introduction of the New and Everlasting Covenant, without which no man could be resurrected into a perfect, living body, and obtain his promised inheritance from The Father (salvation and the opportunity to be a God and create as you see fit)?.

So, since The Father has freely admitted that there are other Gods, and that he is a jealous God, I would have to say that yes, it is my belief that there are evil and malicious spirits that may 'haunt' a place for sometime, for the sole purpose of causing mayhem and a loss of faith in The Father of all living men and women.

Which then also begs this question. The 10 commandments that Moses brought down from the hill commanded us not to "have and God's before Him;" so we know that there are other Gods, but they are not the appointed creator or saviour of our world.

...Is there any belief in psychic phenomena or is this seen as being on the opposite side of the spectrum from revelation and maybe even coming from the wrong source?

You would know if The Comforter were in your body for a divine purpose, just as The Enemy's Gods would use their powers to our detriment; so, we can use the Priesthood to our advantage. What I'm saying is that I'm skeptical of claims of supernatural phenomenon, but I'm receptive to the possibility that there are things beyond my abilities to understand; in which case we have a living prophet of God to guide us and show us the way; as we surely do not yet have all of the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven ourselves.

Witchcraft is definately of Lucifer, but I do not know (but I suspect) that 'psychics' are covenant to secret combinations (just as the Gadianton Robbers and others of the Book of Mormon) and in exchange for something coporeal, have given up freedoms in this life and the next, just to have the chance to experience mortality in a way that temporarily pleases them.

And I suspect that this medding could come in many forms; some very sneaky and pervasive, such as pornography, liquor, and other indulgences that the Prophets caution against, and as unsubtily as undermining structures or homes in order to harm or kill the occupants.

Anyway, that's the Gospel According to Ryan.

[Snow]

I've read a few posts and a number of quotes regarding personal revelation. Is revelation limited to you and your family? Or do you believe other information can be revealed?

I have received personal revelation. Namely:

1. Big Foot is only about a 11d. Not so big after all.

2. Chicks dig me.

3. The end is not so near after all.

[JudoMinja]

Revelation from the Lord will only cover those things over which you have stewardship. Everyone has stewardship over themselves and can thus receive personal revelation. Parents have stewardship over their families, and so can receive revelation for them. Home and visiting teachers can receive revelation for the families the teach. The Bishop can receive revelation for the members of his ward. Etc, all the way up to the Prophet who receives revelation for the world.

However, revelation can come from other sources besides the Lord. Revelation from these other sources though is suspect, as the only source that has the full and complete truth is the Lord. Any revelation received from these other sources needs to be taken with a grain of salt as it can be deceiving and/or misleading. I believe this is why many psychics have limited visions that are difficult to interpret.

The Lord delights in plainness. The Bible used to be plain- until many plain and simple truths were removed. The Book of Mormon was written in plainness by those who received revelation from the Lord and claimed several times to likewise "delight in plainness" as they found it "pleasing unto the soul". So any revelation we receive from the Lord will be plain and clear once we understand how to seek it, receive it, and listen to it.

While some other sources may be good or benign in nature, they cannot provide revelation of this plainness. Certainly, Lucifer provides revelation for his own purposes, and he seeks to provide mockeries of the Lord's blessings, but I do not think Christ and Lucifer are the ONLY sources of revelation. Other benign sources can create psychic or supernatural phenomena that must be examined with care as it can be difficult to separate out the truth.

[MisterT]

,,,1. Big Foot is only about a 11d. Not so big after all...

His shoes may be small, but apparently he's very fast on his feet...

[Snow]

His shoes may be small, but apparently he's very fast on his feet...

That looks like like your own photo... did you snap it yourself?

[Traveler]

I've read a few posts and a number of quotes regarding personal revelation. Is revelation limited to you and your family? Or do you believe other information can be revealed?

IE Sometimes you will see these true crime shows where they talk about police using psychics to find a break in the case...

Is there any belief in psychic phenomena or is this seen as being on the opposite side of the spectrum from revelation and maybe even coming from the wrong source?

If a revelation testifies or gives witness to Jesus as the Messiah or Christ then the revelation is of G-d. If the witness of Jesus is absent it is not of G-d.

The Traveler

[pam]

His shoes may be small, but apparently he's very fast on his feet...

Plus he's got to make it past the cemetery.

[HiJolly]

I've read a few posts and a number of quotes regarding personal revelation. Is revelation limited to you and your family? Or do you believe other information can be revealed?

IE Sometimes you will see these true crime shows where they talk about police using psychics to find a break in the case...

Is there any belief in psychic phenomena or is this seen as being on the opposite side of the spectrum from revelation and maybe even coming from the wrong source?

I was once given revelation concerning someone I had never met before. In the instant that I saw her for the first time, I instantly knew she (A) was pregnant; and (B) didn't need to marry her boyfriend. She was my wife's sister's husband's sister.

The revelation proved to be true and I felt a peaceful assurance that it was of God.

Anybody see a stewardship there? I think that sometimes we are given information, but we have no automatic right to tell anyone.

"The Lord has taught me many things, and He would teach me many

more things if I could just learn to keep my mouth shut."

-- J. Reuben Clark

HiJolly

[JudoMinja]

I was once given revelation concerning someone I had never met before. In the instant that I saw her for the first time, I instantly knew she (A) was pregnant; and (B) didn't need to marry her boyfriend. She was my wife's sister's husband's sister.

The revelation proved to be true and I felt a peaceful assurance that it was of God.

Anybody see a stewardship there? I think that sometimes we are given information, but we have no automatic right to tell anyone.

"The Lord has taught me many things, and He would teach me many

more things if I could just learn to keep my mouth shut."

-- J. Reuben Clark

HiJolly

Perhaps you were the closest relative with priesthood authority? In that case, I could see a link to stewardship, even though it is a bit elongated. But you're right, it's hard to tell if there is any stewardship there and it's very possible there isn't.

I guess the Lord can give revelation on things over which we have no stewardship, but we should be careful in assessing such revelation. God is a God of order, and he works within the bounds of his order and his laws. If anyone could receive revelation over anything, then anyone could claim to be a prophet of God. That would get confusing. So the Lord works within specific guidlines, issuing authority and giving people the means to act within that authority.

[Hemidakota]

I've read a few posts and a number of quotes regarding personal revelation. Is revelation limited to you and your family? Or do you believe other information can be revealed?

IE Sometimes you will see these true crime shows where they talk about police using psychics to find a break in the case...

Is there any belief in psychic phenomena or is this seen as being on the opposite side of the spectrum from revelation and maybe even coming from the wrong source?

- You

- Your family

- Patriarch of your lineage

- Work - those around you who do not hold the priesthood and have charge over.

- In answering a gospel question and confirmed by the Holy Ghost [this is limited to that person only and not for the church].

- Church position

- Families assigned for home teaching

[Blackmarch]

I've read a few posts and a number of quotes regarding personal revelation. Is revelation limited to you and your family? Or do you believe other information can be revealed?

IE Sometimes you will see these true crime shows where they talk about police using psychics to find a break in the case...

Is there any belief in psychic phenomena or is this seen as being on the opposite side of the spectrum from revelation and maybe even coming from the wrong source?

God can reveal to you whatever he dang well pleases... that being said, God is a god of order.

God will generally reveal according to one's stewardship (supposing that individual to be faithful and humble enough to recieve it).

however in regards to ESP (the real stuff), My guess is that it stems more from capababilities posessed by the spirit.

I believe there are talents that some individuals have that are not readily explainable.

I also believe that there are unknown potential physical abilities that are related to our bodies, which also may be tied into ESP.