See thru clothing and garments

[EQ_Guy]

I've only been endowed a few months and have a question about clothing. Is there anything out there from the leadership about garments markings and outer-clothing? I mean recently I saw this nice white shirt that was on sale for about $13, down from $40 retail and noticed that it was pretty thin. My sizes are hard to come by in stores and this happened to be the only one decent that I felt was appropriate for church. I went back the next day, it was still there and I bought it.

Well, I tried this white shirt on and noticed that it's very see-thru... to the point that the folds of my garments are visible thru it - leading from my shoulder or whatever. I pressed the shirt up against me and saw that the markings are visible. Does anyone else have any experience with clothing like this?

I must say that I do look-out to see who appears to have garments now and who doesn't. I've even noticed some sisters who wear tops that are cut so low, in back, that the lace from their garments are visible. Are they wrong by wearing something so low?

Sorry, for such a long post. I haven't posted in months, so maybe I'm just rambling. :)

[Gwen]

sounds like what you are describing is the problem women often have with bra seams "showing". obviously men don't usually have that issue. sometimes with such blouses the markings on my garments will show. i decide on the shirt on an individual basis.

if it's to much or not is hard to say without seeing it. maybe ask someone you know what they think.

[EQ_Guy]

sounds like what you are describing is the problem women often have with bra seams "showing". obviously men don't usually have that issue. sometimes with such blouses the markings on my garments will show. i decide on the shirt on an individual basis.

if it's to much or not is hard to say without seeing it. maybe ask someone you know what they think.

I'm sorry, what exactly are "bra seams?" And how do your markings show if you're wearing a bra... do you wear your garments over your bra? My markings are only visible if I push my chest out and press my shirt against me with my thumb and forefinger. It's not something I'd ever do in public, but I just thought I'd post on this topic.

[marshac]

Does anyone know why the Church doesn't make the garments they make for members of the military generally accessible? Seems like that would solve so many problems like this...

[Wingnut]

Does anyone know why the Church doesn't make the garments they make for members of the military generally accessible? Seems like that would solve so many problems like this...

I'm not sure why that would solve any problem. The military ones are still marked, aren't they? They're just colored.

[marshac]

I'm not sure why that would solve any problem. The military ones are still marked, aren't they? They're just colored.

I thought they were silk-screened on the inside?

[Dravin]

In my limited experience (Talked to an LDS Chaplain who was actually just wearing his garment top which I assumed was a t-shirt/undershirt) the markings are not visible, they're printed on the inside of the garment.

[not_ashamed]

I think for men, most people assume its just an undershirt they are wearing under their shirt. I see men in church a lot that their garment is visible under their dress shirt. If I were not a member I wouldn't ever think it was anything more than a tshirt.

[Traveler]

I've only been endowed a few months and have a question about clothing. Is there anything out there from the leadership about garments markings and outer-clothing? I mean recently I saw this nice white shirt that was on sale for about $13, down from $40 retail and noticed that it was pretty thin. My sizes are hard to come by in stores and this happened to be the only one decent that I felt was appropriate for church. I went back the next day, it was still there and I bought it.

Well, I tried this white shirt on and noticed that it's very see-thru... to the point that the folds of my garments are visible thru it - leading from my shoulder or whatever. I pressed the shirt up against me and saw that the markings are visible. Does anyone else have any experience with clothing like this?

I must say that I do look-out to see who appears to have garments now and who doesn't. I've even noticed some sisters who wear tops that are cut so low, in back, that the lace from their garments are visible. Are they wrong by wearing something so low?

Sorry, for such a long post. I haven't posted in months, so maybe I'm just rambling. :)

Wear an additional tee shirt.

The Traveler

[Wingnut]

I thought they were silk-screened on the inside?

In my limited experience (Talked to an LDS Chaplain who was actually just wearing his garment top which I assumed was a t-shirt/undershirt) the markings are not visible, they're printed on the inside of the garment.

I didn't know that. I thought they were just the same, only dyed.

[Gwen]

I'm sorry, what exactly are "bra seams?" And how do your markings show if you're wearing a bra... do you wear your garments over your bra? My markings are only visible if I push my chest out and press my shirt against me with my thumb and forefinger. It's not something I'd ever do in public, but I just thought I'd post on this topic.

lol obviously i wasn't helpful. if a woman wears her bra over or under the garment is between her and the lord. there are medical/physical reasons it's best and advised to wear the bra under the garment.

some bras are made in 2 pieces so there is a seam where the materials meet across the breast. by nature of the shape the blouse can be pressed against the breast causing that seam to show. (i'm impressed you've never noticed. lol) thus seamless bras are increasingly popular, so that doesn't happen. but anyway. lol

i've run into the issue of wearing a black blouse and having my garment show through. not glaringly obvious, in fact i didn't notice it till i saw a pic of me in the blouse and noticed. i don't think anyone else would have noticed but i did. lol

Edited June 21, 2010 by Gwen

[EQ_Guy]

lol obviously i wasn't helpful. if a woman wears her bra over or under the garment is between her and the lord. there are medical/physical reasons it's best and advised to wear the bra under the garment.

some bras are made in 2 pieces so there is a seam where the materials meet across the breast. by nature of the shape the blouse can be pressed against the breast causing that seam to show. (i'm impressed you've never noticed. lol) thus seamless bras are increasingly popular, so that doesn't happen. but anyway. lol

i've run into the issue of wearing a black blouse and having my garment show through. not glaringly obvious, in fact i didn't notice it till i saw a pic of me in the blouse and noticed. i don't think anyone else would have noticed but i did. lol

I didn't mean the over or under question in a bad way. And I have/had NO idea about bra seams. I notice things, but that's one I never have before.

[EQ_Guy]

I think for men, most people assume its just an undershirt they are wearing under their shirt. I see men in church a lot that their garment is visible under their dress shirt. If I were not a member I wouldn't ever think it was anything more than a tshirt.

It's always easy to see a guy's t-shirt/garment top under his shirt and yes, non-members or unendowed types would have no clue it's anything else but a t-shirt.

[EQ_Guy]

Wear an additional tee shirt.

The Traveler

My markings are only visible when I stretch my chest on purpose, etc. It's like 90 these days... no way, another undergarment.

[Iggy]

My markings are only visible when I stretch my chest on purpose, etc. It's like 90 these days... no way, another undergarment.

Do you mean 90 degrees? Well you won't get any sympathy from me regarding ONLY 90- not when it has been 109-120 where I live!!! You don't wear just your top garment and not another shirt do you? It is not like a T-shirt or regular undershirt you know.

As for your garment showing through the shirt, don't worry about it. Worry when you wear your garment and then put a tank top on or a shirt that has open weave, like a net does.

Even before I knew about garments, I always thought it was in extremely bad taste for men to NOT wear an undershirt under their button up shirt. The same for women to NOT wear a slip under a dress/skirt. Or as we used to say when we were teens - Tacky, tacky, tacky.

My husband wears the cotton jersey fabric, yes it stays wet when he perspires, but he wants it to hold the sweat so that the warm/hot breeze hits it and cools him down. Where he works there is NO AC- just fans moving hot, humid air around. If he is damp, the fans do cool him down.

I prefer the DriSilque- when I get too damp I can also go to the restroom and remove the garment, swing it around a bit and put it back on- dries in that time!! What stays damp forever are my bras.

[EQ_Guy]

Do you mean 90 degrees? Well you won't get any sympathy from me regarding ONLY 90- not when it has been 109-120 where I live!!! You don't wear just your top garment and not another shirt do you? It is not like a T-shirt or regular undershirt you know.

As for your garment showing through the shirt, don't worry about it. Worry when you wear your garment and then put a tank top on or a shirt that has open weave, like a net does.

Even before I knew about garments, I always thought it was in extremely bad taste for men to NOT wear an undershirt under their button up shirt. The same for women to NOT wear a slip under a dress/skirt. Or as we used to say when we were teens - Tacky, tacky, tacky.

My husband wears the cotton jersey fabric, yes it stays wet when he perspires, but he wants it to hold the sweat so that the warm/hot breeze hits it and cools him down. Where he works there is NO AC- just fans moving hot, humid air around. If he is damp, the fans do cool him down.

I prefer the DriSilque- when I get too damp I can also go to the restroom and remove the garment, swing it around a bit and put it back on- dries in that time!! What stays damp forever are my bras.

The person suggested I wear my garment top, another t-shirt AND my outer shirt and I said that was too many layers for 90 degress. And no, I don't just wear my garment top in public.

Why would a guy wear his garment top, then a tank-top over that? Sounds like that would look very odd.

[Truegrits]

I've even noticed some sisters who wear tops that are cut so low, in back, that the lace from their garments are visible. Are they wrong by wearing something so low?

There were Sisters in my previous ward that wore spaghetti strap/thin strap tops over their garment tops, to church. Of course, their garment showed. Are they wrong to wear those tops? I think so, as one of the purposes of the garments, is to guide us as to what is modest/appropriate to wear. It seems to defeat that, if what we wear shows the garment, right? By their reasoning, it would be OK to wear a mini skirt, as long as you had your garments on underneath...

So...is it better to wear our garments, regardless of what we choose to wear over them...or would it be better to NOT wear them, if the clothing we choose shows them?

[pam]

There were Sisters in my previous ward that wore spaghetti strap/thin strap tops over their garment tops, to church

Are you serious? What were these women thinking?

[Gwen]

By their reasoning, it would be OK to wear a mini skirt, as long as you had your garments on underneath...

lol i had actually asked a question similar to this. lol not that i would do it just wondering lol if you wore dark tights that didn't show your garments through could you wear a mini skirt? or the whole hot pants style that's coming back? personally i think it's ugly lol just thinkin on it.

[Truegrits]

That is what I wondered. I assumed it would come to the Bishops notice, and he would address it. They were in the 2nd ward, the Spanish ward, but it sure did startle me, the first time I saw it. I had to wonder if the purpose of the garments was fully explained to them? I was not going to be the one to say anything...

[Truegrits]

just wondering lol if you wore dark tights that didn't show your garments through could you wear a mini skirt? or the whole hot pants style that's coming back? personally i think it's ugly lol just thinkin on it.

In my opinion, no. It would be cheating...once you know the purpose of them...doing things to get around that...well, you are accountable for it. Better to leave them off, wear the mini, than to hide/disguise them, right?

It would still be wrong, but not as wrong???

[EQ_Guy]

lol i had actually asked a question similar to this. lol not that i would do it just wondering lol if you wore dark tights that didn't show your garments through could you wear a mini skirt? or the whole hot pants style that's coming back? personally i think it's ugly lol just thinkin on it.

I think it's totally wrong to wear dark tights and a mini-skirt. Isn't part of the point of garments to keep revealing certain parts of a person's body to a minimum or not at all? I know a person that was inactive for a long time and now she's endowed. I told her this and she felt I was wrong - she did/does wear black tights and shorter skirts. She just accused me of judging her and said it was God who needed to judge her not me. I only gave her my opinion, but she often took things in ways I didn't intend them. I met her thru a dating site. I've ended communications with her for a few reasons.

[Truegrits]

And...I have a friend that is in no way a petite, she is tall and "curvy", yet she orders/wears petite, so she can get away with shorter skirts/dresses/shorts...I think that is not "right", as it is circumventing the purpose...she thinks it is OK...I guess it is, as ultimately, she will be the one accountable.

[Moksha]

I think for men, most people assume its just an undershirt they are wearing under their shirt. I see men in church a lot that their garment is visible under their dress shirt. If I were not a member I wouldn't ever think it was anything more than a tshirt.

When I was back in college, the coeds would check out the signs of garments being present. They lamented that it was hard to distinguish between V-neck T-shirts with boxers and actual LDS garments. In those instances, they had to ask.

[Voyager]

Best to err on the side of caution. Women should wear clothes that cover where the garmets would be if they were not dressed.