The New Unemployables - Workers over 50

[pam]

I'm finding this to be more and more true. I found myself unemployed for the first time in my life last year. Took me almost 6 months to find a job and took a paycut of $5.50 an hour.

NYT: 'The new unemployables': Workers over 50 - U.S. news - The New York Times - msnbc.com

[Maya]

Yes it happens more and more and it is impossible to get a new job.

I been thinking those over 50 should start their OWN businesses, working places to be sure to have a job! Bad thing is that even the Church has gone pretty much in that system too. The new leaders are often very young and unexperienced. Luckily they do every now and then use an older person too.

Well anyway I was goign to start my own kindergarten, but there is no need for one as all kids already have a place in kindergarten... what els could older.. over 50 .. people start themselves?

I have also thought of entertainement business. those on pesnison have time and some even money to enjoy life... but the entertainers are young.. they dont even want older ones, they want to feel young again, but cant do it with an old enterteiner...

I been wondering what could people ovar 50 start working with so they could hold their workingplace and not be put aside by younger ones... read to be a scientist? Arceolog? If you are good at that it is possibly hardet to kick you off....

Community should encourage over 50 workers to do something on their own...

[rameumptom]

When I retired from the USAF at age 43, I couldn't find a job in the computer field. I was either too knowledgeable, they were worried I'd only stay for a short while then move up (even though I'd spent 20 years in the USAF), or the jobs had moved overseas. So I now no longer work in the computer industry.

Then when I was laid off 5 years ago, it took me 6 months to find another job, also at a loss in pay. Now that I'm 51, I'd be very careful about switching jobs, etc., to ensure I don't jump from the frying pan into the fire.

[talisyn]

My sister is not very close to 50 and it took her about 7 months to find a job, any job lol. I'm sure older people are affected more but that's foolish for employers. Older workers usually have more experience, loyalty, and they don't use up quite so much in insurance and sick days/time off as those of childbearing years do

[ADoyle90815]

I know people who were laid off a year and a half ago, and they still haven't found a job. Even though I'm under 50, it still took me a year to find another job after I got laid off, as that's how bad the job market was and still is now. Before I got my current job, I was at a job fair at a hotel near Disneyland, and the line was so long, there were journalists from newspapers and TV taking pictures of the line.

[Dravin]

I know people who were laid off a year and a half ago, and they still haven't found a job. Even though I'm under 50, it still took me a year to find another job after I got laid off, as that's how bad the job market was and still is now. Before I got my current job, I was at a job fair at a hotel near Disneyland, and the line was so long, there were journalists from newspapers and TV taking pictures of the line.

Reminds me of when In-N-Out locations opened up in Orem and American Fork, they had 500 applicants.

Hm... can't find a reference, but here is news report for one that opened in Sacramento:

Edited September 20, 2010 by Dravin

[prisonchaplain]

the hard reality is that retraining is going to be a very likely requirement for career changes. Also, the younger generations are going to change careers with increasing frequency. Chances are that a 50+ candidate for nursing, special education teacher, etc. would have little difficulty finding work.

[HoosierGuy]

This is old news. It's been out there all summer.

Many of those now unemployable voted in the very people who are outsourcing those jobs and making it tough for 50+ people to find jobs.

What's also happening is that state jobs are being privatized. People who have put in nine or so years (or more) have worked all those years in planning on earning a pension. But right before they complete the last year guaranteeing their pension the state job goes private and they lose it.

It's happening in Indiana.

Also, I would never tell a 50+ person to go work at McDonald's or some other demeaning job. The job is not demeaning. But those kind of jobs

are for teens/young adults, not full grown adults in their 30's, 40's, 50's +.

Edited September 20, 2010 by HoosierGuy
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[pam]

Also, I would never tell a 50+ person to go work at McDonald's or some other demeaning job. The job is not demeaning. But those kind of jobs

are for teens/young adults, not full grown adults in their 30's, 40's, 50's +.

You make it sound demeaning to those that are older. Putting this into the same sentence you are saying that McDonalds is a demeaning job. If it were a matter of feeding your family, keeping a roof over your head and paying other bills fast food jobs might be an option.

I see fast food places like Wendys hiring handicapped and seniors so that they feel they are still making a contribution to the workplace. Would you tell them that they shouldn't work there at 70 years old because it's for teenagers? It gives them something to do to supplement any SSI or retirement income they might have.

Edited September 20, 2010 by pam

[prisonchaplain]

Many of those now unemployable voted in the very people who are outsourcing those jobs and making it tough for 50+ people to find jobs.

How did they do this? Outsourcing decisions are generally made in the upper echelons of companies. So, how did these laid off workers manage to vote on those executives? :confused:

[HoosierGuy]

Newsflash! I see President Obama was grilled by a woman asking where the change is.

They are saying the recession is officially over.

Uh, if the recession is over then I'm Yoda!

So the message is - THIS IS the NEW AMERICA. This IS the new NORMAL.

Enjoy the U.S. now, it's not going to get better.

[Moksha]

At least those older workers could understand me at the Carl Jr. counter.

[HoosierGuy]

You make it sound demeaning to those that are older.

Just the opposite. People aged 50 and older are special and should be treated with nice gloves. People that age deserve jobs that are meaningful and good paying. Really, people that age should be retired so they can enjoy the rest of their lives and also free up jobs for the younger people.

[pam]

Just the opposite. People aged 50 and older are special and should be treated with nice gloves. People that age deserve jobs that are meaningful and good paying. Really, people that age should be retired so they can enjoy the rest of their lives and also free up jobs for the younger people.

Ohh I get it now. Put them out to pasture so that the younger set can have the jobs. I get it.

You make it sound like we are some fragile beings that can't handle the rough stuff.

[prisonchaplain]

Newsflash! I see President Obama was grilled by a woman asking where the change is. They are saying the recession is officially over. Uh, if the recession is over then I'm Yoda! So the message is - THIS IS the NEW AMERICA. This IS the new NORMAL. Enjoy the U.S. now, it's not going to get better.

If the current leadership believes the recession is over and that we are experiencing new normal, perhaps it's time to vote for change???

[bytor2112]

Just the opposite. People aged 50 and older are special and should be treated with nice gloves. People that age deserve jobs that are meaningful and good paying. Really, people that age should be retired so they can enjoy the rest of their lives and also free up jobs for the younger people.

Deserve? Is it any wonder that our country is reeling with entitlement loser attitudes like yours?

Edited September 21, 2010 by bytor2112

[bytor2112]

Newsflash! I see President Obama was grilled by a woman asking where the change is.

They are saying the recession is officially over.

Uh, if the recession is over then I'm Yoda!

So the message is - THIS IS the NEW AMERICA. This IS the new NORMAL.

Enjoy the U.S. now, it's not going to get better.

It's only the new normal if you sit around waiting for the government to save you. Try saving your self......America is the land of opportunity....you have just bought in to the lies that keep people in bondage to the government. Want a better life...a better America....pitch in and help make it one.

Edited September 21, 2010 by bytor2112

[prisonchaplain]

Personally, I was hoping that Bytor would make my life better...

[HoosierGuy]

It's only the new normal if you sit around waiting for the government to save you. Try saving your self......America is the land of opportunity....you have just bought in to the lies that keep people in bondage to the government. Want a better life...a better America....pitch in and help make it one.

Bondage does not come from the U.S. Government. It comes from Wall Street.

[Guest mormonmusic]

So the message is - THIS IS the NEW AMERICA. This IS the new NORMAL. Enjoy the U.S. now, it's not going to get better.

HoosierGuy -- I can't help but feel this is a bit shortsighted. Life goes in cycles, and so do economies. For now, a lot of the manufacturing jobs have gone to China, but they will probably come back eventually as wages are rising over there. The time will probably come when the manufacturing pendulum will swing back to America as the Chinese start expecting higher wages and standards of living, as well as access to the products they make for our economy.

Also, you can't keep the Americans down for long. They are too enterprising and visionary, notwithstanding the mistakes that have been made in handling the economy. So, while what you say MAY be true, it largely depends on how America responds to this slippage in the world economy. And history has shown America is a nation of enterprising achievers that will find a way to bring back our prosperity. With or without Obama.

[PrinceofLight2000]

Bondage does not come from the U.S. Government. It comes from Wall Street.

Except no one on Wall Street can force you to sign a dotted line, after which, it's your own fault you're in bondage.

The government however, has this little arbitrary thing we like to call taxation. Unlike the private sector, we can't choose not to pay it if we want to remain law-abiding citizens, or citizens at all.

See here:

Edited September 21, 2010 by PrinceofLight2000

[bytor2112]

Bondage does not come from the U.S. Government. It comes from Wall Street.

The government doesn't produce anything....it doesn't create anything....it mostly intrudes on the very freedoms that make America the land of opportunity. It takes from the producers and passes laws that create generations of entitlement mentality victims that have come to believe that they just can't make it without Uncle Sam subsidizing them for life.

Wall Street is just a street in New York City.....yet, the liberal press and leftist politicians have managed to make it the villain.....and I suppose there are a few hard core socialist types and people with 5th grade educations that believe it. Which one are you?

Edited September 21, 2010 by bytor2112

[john doe]

Just the opposite. People aged 50 and older are special and should be treated with nice gloves. People that age deserve jobs that are meaningful and good paying. Really, people that age should be retired so they can enjoy the rest of their lives and also free up jobs for the younger people.

Who do you recommend to pay the pensions of all those people retiring 15-20 years earlier than the government planned? Social Security tells me I should wait until 70 to retire if I want my full benefits.

[Dravin]

Who do you recommend to pay the pensions of all those people retiring 15-20 years earlier than the government planned? Social Security tells me I should wait until 70 to retire if I want my full benefits.

Make the rich pay for it of course. Or Bytor, I've been going to "Make Bytor Pay for Everything" rallies and I've been liking what I'm hearing.

[FunkyTown]

Except no one on Wall Street can force you to sign a dotted line, after which, it's your own fault you're in bondage.

The government however, has this little arbitrary thing we like to call taxation. Unlike the private sector, we can't choose not to pay it if we want to remain law-abiding citizens, or citizens at all.

See here:

A quote by our very own Thomas Jefferson:

I fear our revolution will have been in vain if a Virginia farmer is to be held in hock to a New York stock jobber, who in turn is in hock to a London banker. The opportunities for avarice and corruption would certainly prove irresistible.

(In reference to a national debt, which is owned privately, but still indicative of his knowledge of the power of Wall Street)