pam Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 This is one of my biggest pet peeves living in Utah. I'm constantly telling my kids who have now lived here most of their life, "Mountain has a T in it."ksl.com - 'Case of the Missing 'T'" prominent among young Utah women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truegrits Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 LOL ... I tried saying kitten/written/beaten/mountain without the "T"s,and it is really hard to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 For crying out loud, who has the TIME to say all those Ts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truegrits Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 It takes more time NOT to pronounce them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I hope this guy doesn't come south, we drop letters all the time. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr T Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I'm right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Mormon Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I'm right here.But what are you doing in a mountain??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I'm right here.Mystery solved, then. Let's go get some bagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 It takes more time NOT to pronounce them No it doen't. Why should I take the time to pause, think over the word I want to say, summon the physical effort of my vocal chords to create a "t" sound, think it over in my head to see if it sounds acceptable, and then finally say it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truegrits Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 No it doen't. Why should I take the time to pause, think over the word I want to say, summon the physical effort of my vocal chords to create a "t" sound, think it over in my head to see if it sounds acceptable, and then finally say it? I do not know why you are pausing, thinking, straining, pondering. Is "T" the only letter in the alphabet you have such difficulty with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted July 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I find it more difficult to not use the T. Probably because I grew up in an area where we actually pronounced them in our words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sachi001 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 This is one of my biggest pet peeves living in Utah. I'm constantly telling my kids who have now lived here most of their life, "Mountain has a T in it."ksl.com - 'Case of the Missing 'T'" prominent among young Utah womenPam, Americans have been corrupting the English language since .....oh when what? Since it corrupted Latin.Miss the Hawaiian pidgin yet?If can can, if no can no can da kine. Wat stay now cuz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytebear Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 My friend from New England who just cringed at what she called the Layton L. You basically say your Ls without touching your tongue to the roof of your mouth. Try it, it's fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I'm right here.So you left Utah and took the "T" with you? Well, some of us Utahns want it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I keep saying these words over and over and I can't tell if I drop the T or not. I can't hear it. I grew up in Utah but spent the last 11 yrs in MN so who knows what I speak anymore.Now I live in Idaho or Ida'o as they say it. The case of the missing H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I do not know why you are pausing, thinking, straining, pondering. Is "T" the only letter in the alphabet you have such difficulty with?Because it's not her native accent. At this point changing the way she pronounces the words would require a conscious effort. Either that or immersion and sufficient time (maybe). The dropping of the t in certain words is a regional accent, somewhat like how in Britian (in some accents at least) the r can be softer and sound dropped to an American ear or how in some American accents an r is added (such as "warsh" for wash), removing or adding a sound you were taught (from listening to how the a word is pronounced by those around you growing up) isn't always an easy process and for a lot of people not worth the effort to change. It's like if you wanted to change how you pronounced the word greasy. There are two common ways to pronounce it (you can hear both ways here: Greasy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary). To change from grē-sē to grē-zē or visa versa is something that would require effort because you have an established phonetic pattern for the word (aka an accent) and if you don't think about it you'll tend to say the pre-change one. Now make it so it isn't a single word but a whole slew of them. Not saying it can't be done of course, but it can sometimes not be worth the effort*. That language gets wired like it does is why accent coaches exist, it isn't second nature to just slip into any accent you might please (though some people have that as a talent). And in some cases you can have difficulty even hearing some sounds in other accents or languages because you were never taught them, it's like your brain just defaults to what it's familiar with. Think of some native Japanese or Chinese speaker's difficulties with the "r" sound. Or those of us who pronounce Mary, merry, and marry the same can have difficulty picking out the differences others put on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted July 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Pam, Americans have been corrupting the English language since .....oh when what? Since it corrupted Latin.Miss the Hawaiian pidgin yet?If can can, if no can no can da kine. Wat stay now cuz? I have quite a few Poly coworkers. I can honestly say that I caught myself saying da kine once. Imagine after being gone for 18 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceofLight2000 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 LOL ... I tried saying kitten/written/beaten/mountain without the "T"s,and it is really hard to do!THIS.Regional speech impediments lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I keep saying these words over and over and I can't tell if I drop the T or not. I can't hear it. I grew up in Utah but spent the last 11 yrs in MN so who knows what I speak anymore.Now I live in Idaho or Ida'o as they say it. The case of the missing H.That must be a new thing because when I lived there the 'H' was always pronounced, especially when saying the name of the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyTown Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) I do not know why you are pausing, thinking, straining, pondering. Is "T" the only letter in the alphabet you have such difficulty with?No, no. We're not anti-T-ites, Truegrits. For instance, I have problems pronouncing Ts.And As, Bs, Cs, Ds, Es, Fs, Gs, Hs, Is, Js, Ks, Ls, Ms, Ns, Os, Ps, Qs, Rs, Ss, Us, Ws, Xs and Ys.So... Pretty much, it's full glottal stops for every word excepts Zvv and Zzzz. Edited July 22, 2011 by FunkyTown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I do not know why you are pausing, thinking, straining, pondering. Is "T" the only letter in the alphabet you have such difficulty with?When you are raised in Utah (ironically, the "t" in Utah is the one t we can say) it's very difficult. I had to teach that particular phoneme to 1st graders and it's really not that easy.Sometimes hard "d" is hard to say as well, so it's just not the "t". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 LOL ... I tried saying kitten/written/beaten/mountain without the "T"s,and it is really hard to do!Watch and learn, my friend, watch and learn"Ki'n""wri'n""bea'n""moun'n"And, a charming Utah city:"Lay'n" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyTown Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Watch and learn, my friend, watch and learn"Ki'n""wri'n""bea'n""moun'n"And, a charming Utah city:"Lay'n"Let me try:Vzv.Zzv.Vzv.zzzzv z vzvz zvz zvz:Vzv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Let me try:Vzv.Zzv.Vzv.zzzzv z vzvz zvz zvz:Vzv.Good job!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyTown Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Good job!!!And some people say they can't understand my accent! Thank you, Backroads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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