A Normal Day During the Millennium

[james12]

I have been thinking today about the millennium. We know a number of conditions that will prevail during this time. There will be no war, there will be a righteous government, many people will not die and be buried but will be changed in the "twinkling of an eye", and many current sicknesses will be cured or not exist. Temple work will be a huge endeavor. But i find it most interesting to consider how our every day lives will be effected. For instance, will I work to earn money or will the need for money be a thing of the past? Will government occur on a more local level? What institutions will likely disappear?

[annewandering]

I dont think anything is going to change overnight except that Christ will be here. Gradually people will start to work together to do God's work but its not going to be an immediate thing.

Once people are not so much into getting rich or getting power then we might just solve problems like energy. Education, I think, will be important so there will be schools. We wont have to worry as much about health issues I suspect which will be good. Eventually we will be living the United Order so everyone will have work to do that they CAN do.

[Traveler]

I have wondered many things. I think there will be a lot of work done to keep people healthy. Perhaps one of the most difficult things for many of us LDS will have to do with maintaining a healthy weight. If we are going to live for 120 years we are going to have to change eating habits - for sure.

I also think for most Americans - our life style will become much more physical - less TV and entertainment. I suspect that as people start to gain weight they will be assigned more physical tasks and less deserts - perhaps even fewer portions at meal time and no in between snacks.

I also think there will be more “uplifting” music and the arts will become highly developed.

The Traveler

[james12]

Traveler,

Interesting thought about healthy weight. I agree there might be more physical activity because people are up and doing. However, don't you think freedom will still be the guiding principle? Won't we still be able to work where we want and eat when and where we want?

[Blackmarch]

I have been thinking today about the millennium. We know a number of conditions that will prevail during this time. There will be no war, there will be a righteous government, many people will not die and be buried but will be changed in the "twinkling of an eye", and many current sicknesses will be cured or not exist. Temple work will be a huge endeavor. But i find it most interesting to consider how our every day lives will be effected. For instance, will I work to earn money or will the need for money be a thing of the past? Will government occur on a more local level? What institutions will likely disappear?

well i think eventually money won't be as important anymore, dunno if it will be done away with totally before the final judgement.

[annewandering]

There will still be sickness and injury. Its not that we will have eternal bodies at that point. If I were there my back might still hurt. I might still have arthritis. My weight isnt going to go down by activity. We will still have trials. So if I still hurt every day to move and I had to live to 100 that might not be so fun after all.

[Dravin]

Traveler,

Interesting thought about healthy weight. I agree there might be more physical activity because people are up and doing. However, don't you think freedom will still be the guiding principle? Won't we still be able to work where we want and eat when and where we want?

That is my question, Traveler's supposition pretty much requires the below:

1) Food is otherwise unavailable and must be procured from some organization which has the ability to disburse purely at it's discretion.

OR

2) Some organization has the ability to prevent people from consuming foods they've procured on their own or from consuming foods procured from #1 at their own discretion.

I mean, even if I otherwise get everything from the dispensery on a bi-weekly basis or something what prevents me from either:

A) Growing a couple avocado trees or olive trees for snacks and a high calorie addition to my rations.

B) Consuming something I otherwise get such as from gifts or exchange (I'll wash your dishes for a slice of your bi-weekly pie or the simple, "Happy Birthday!").

I think if people lose weight it'll be a response of greater care to nutrition by the individual or circumstances (less excess do to more being shared) and not because of the Ministry of BMI.

Edited October 11, 2011 by Dravin

[RMGuy]

James,

I wish you all the best in your search for answers.

For me, I have been trying to live such that I find peace in my day-to-day life. I have tried to be less judgemental, more understanding, loving and kind to the individual that I come into contact with. I don't always succeed. I have tried to live such that my family and friends know that I care about them and love them and want to be with them. I have tried to become more concerned with doing right than about being right. I have tried to (paraphrasing Joseph) knock off a corner here and a corner there. I am working on being comfortable being me. Then what happens in the Millennium, or at the judgement I think I can live with. I am comfortable acknowledging righteous judgement.

So for me it is less about what will happen then, as what I am doing now. That is what has worked for me. But I also understand we each have our own challenges, questions, trials, and strengths. It is what makes us such a wonderful and diverse family, with a multitude of talents.

-RM

[annewandering]

James,

I wish you all the best in your search for answers.

For me, I have been trying to live such that I find peace in my day-to-day life. I have tried to be less judgemental, more understanding, loving and kind to the individual that I come into contact with. I don't always succeed. I have tried to live such that my family and friends know that I care about them and love them and want to be with them. I have tried to become more concerned with doing right than about being right. I have tried to (paraphrasing Joseph) knock off a corner here and a corner there. I am working on being comfortable being me. Then what happens in the Millennium, or at the judgement I think I can live with. I am comfortable acknowledging righteous judgement.

So for me it is less about what will happen then, as what I am doing now. That is what has worked for me. But I also understand we each have our own challenges, questions, trials, and strengths. It is what makes us such a wonderful and diverse family, with a multitude of talents.

-RM

I have always been of the opinion that we should live today as if we live in the millennium now. God never said we can't live in a millennial way. It wont happen overnight so why dont we start doing that now? Get a head start on the life.

[james12]

So for me it is less about what will happen then, as what I am doing now. That is what has worked for me. But I also understand we each have our own challenges, questions, trials, and strengths. It is what makes us such a wonderful and diverse family, with a multitude of talents.

RMGuy,

I agree that our lives should be lived today and now. However, I have found that a clear goal, a vision of what might be, can move me forward with greater purpose and direction. To use another Joseph Smith quote, “The building up of Zion is a cause that has interested the people of God in every age; it is a theme upon which prophets, priests and kings have dwelt with peculiar delight;..." Sometimes it is hard to catch that vision focused only on the details of this telestial world. I remember listening to Elder Hales speak to us while I was at the MTC. He said that only on a mission can we fully live the law of consecration. But it wasn't what he said, it was the extreme emotion in his voice and the tears in his eyes. I realized that I did not feel as he felt. I had missed something. I did not yearn for the day when all could live the law as he did. Have we to some extent lost that vision as a people? Are we too satisfied?

[RMGuy]

RMGuy,

Have we to some extent lost that vision as a people? Are we too satisfied?

Excellent example, even better questions. Perhaps.

-RM

[Traveler]

That is my question, Traveler's supposition pretty much requires the below:

1) Food is otherwise unavailable and must be procured from some organization which has the ability to disburse purely at it's discretion.

OR

2) Some organization has the ability to prevent people from consuming foods they've procured on their own or from consuming foods procured from #1 at their own discretion.

I mean, even if I otherwise get everything from the dispensery on a bi-weekly basis or something what prevents me from either:

A) Growing a couple avocado trees or olive trees for snacks and a high calorie addition to my rations.

B) Consuming something I otherwise get such as from gifts or exchange (I'll wash your dishes for a slice of your bi-weekly pie or the simple, "Happy Birthday!").

I think if people lose weight it'll be a response of greater care to nutrition by the individual or circumstances (less excess do to more being shared) and not because of the Ministry of BMI.

I believe you are all missing the point. What is to prevent pornography, adultery, fornication, lying, taking things that do not belong to you, breaking the Sabbath or dishonoring one’s parents? Do these things go away because there is no choice? No agency? No free will?

There are no secrets to good health. My wife loves to watch the “Biggest Looser” - I do not know why but she also likes me to watch it with her. One thing I have learned from watching the program is that being overweight is seldom just a problem of exercise and eating - there are major problems with respect for self and realizing that one’s body is a temple. In part I define a “lazy” person as someone that lacks the inner strength to do what they know is right. Without exception every consistent on the Biggest Looser has issues with themselves that must be overcome before they can “live on their own”.

There are also major problems in our society with work ethic and use of finances. The circumstance of poverty in our society would be considered the idle rich 2000 years ago when Jesus said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven. I would also point out that there was no overweight among the poor of his day.

My point is this - The two biggest health problems in the USA are diet and lack of exercise (activity). That is not going to change until there is an attitude change - an attitude that changes diet and activity. If you believe that health will improve in millennium - it will only come because of a change of attitude. Thus those that are not willing to change their attitude - I am not sure they will be allowed make the transition to that society. It is my honest impression that health will and must change for the millennium. Those with so much pride to be unwilling to make such changes - with health, economy and other things - I honestly believe they will be swept away with the wicked. I believe it will be and currently is a choice.

The Traveler

[Dravin]

I believe you are all missing the point. What is to prevent pornography, adultery, fornication, lying, taking things that do not belong to you, breaking the Sabbath or dishonoring one’s parents? Do these things go away because there is no choice? No agency? No free will?

They won't be going away because some organization prevents people from doing those things. The rest of your post is missing my point, it wasn't addressing the pitfalls of obesity. I was chiming in about the requirements of your idea (the Ministry of BMI).

Edited October 12, 2011 by Dravin

[Traveler]

They won't be going away because some organization prevents people from doing those things. The rest of your post is missing my point, it wasn't addressing the pitfalls of obesity. I was chiming in about the requirements of your idea (the Ministry of BMI).

Sorry I do not understand what you are trying to say. My point is that those that lack self discipline will most likely not be around during the Millennium. As near as I can determine the first step towards sin (unrighteousness) is self indulgence and lack of discipline. The first step towards righteousness and away from sin is sacrifice and self discipline.

The Traveler

[Dravin]

Sorry I do not understand what you are trying to say. My point is that those that lack self discipline will most likely not be around during the Millennium. As near as I can determine the first step towards sin (unrighteousness) is self indulgence and lack of discipline. The first step towards righteousness and away from sin is sacrifice and self discipline.

The Traveler

You talked about people being assigned eating allowances and harder physical labor. That's not somebody deciding to take a course of action, that is somebody having a course of action imposed upon them. Somebody has to be around to do the actual imposing and thus the Ministry of BMI is born. If your initial comment was trying to say that people would choose to eat less or do more physical labor you phrased it poorly because as written it's an outside agency making those decisions for them (they will be assigned), they aren't making them for themselves.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Dravin

[Traveler]

You talked about people being assigned eating allowances and harder physical labor. That's not somebody deciding to take a course of action, that is somebody having a course of action imposed upon them. Somebody has to be around to do the actual imposing and thus the Ministry of BMI is born. If your initial comment was trying to say that people would choose to eat less or do more physical labor you phrased it poorly because as written it's an outside agency making those decisions for them (they will be assigned), they aren't making them for themselves.

Ah I see what you are getting at. You are thinking that the contributions of personal trainers and coaches will not be part of the millennium. I was thinking that they would have a better chance than surgeons and pharmacists. I will have to think on that - though I kind of wonder how children will be raised and taught without such oversight.

The Traveler

[Dravin]

Ah I see what you are getting at. You are thinking that the contributions of personal trainers and coaches will not be part of the millennium.

The Traveler

No, it's wasn't an issue of thinking personal trainers and the like will not be part of the millennium. I was reading assign in a different way than you mean it.

Consider this:

1) Inmate 24601 is to be assigned bathroom duty.

2) My cleaning assignment for the Church this Saturday is to clean the restrooms.

I was reading you in sense 1 not in sense 2. Thus the confusion.

[james12]

This point about freedom is so important. I believe during the millennium people will have more freedom than we have ever enjoyed. In 4 Ne 1:3 its says, "And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free, but they were all made free, and partakers of the heavenly gift." What is the heavenly gift? Freedom! It is what was fought for in heaven. I believe this will be a fundamental principle during the millennium as we live the united order. We will be even more free than we are now. How? Let me just give one thought for now since I am running out of time.

Economic Division - The oportunity for people to excel based on their parents ecenomic status will be no more. Additionally, Our current world of injustice where one tries to get gain from another will end. In other words the profit motive will cease. Why? Because everyone will have consecrated their property and received a portion back as decided by the Bishop. So in government or in business financial greed will largely be eliminated, something we do not currently enjoy.

[Snow]

But i find it most interesting to consider how our every day lives will be effected.

I don't know everything but I do know there is going to be a whole lot less of Lady Gaga and a whole lot more of Steely Dan.

[mikbone]

While preparing for my elders quorum lesson a couple weeks ago I made a realization about the millennium that I had not appreciated previously.

2 Peter 3:10-12 (New heaven, elements shall melt, earth will be burned up)

D&C 133:23-26 (The oceans will be driven into the North countries, the Islands shall become one land, The land of Zion & the land of Jerusalem will be turned back to their own place, as it was prior to their division)

According to the above scripture HUGE changes will be put into place during the Lords coming in preperation for the millennium.

The Earth will return to a Pangaea like state. The elements will melt. The Earth will burn. Im my opinion if this is to occur, then the face of the Earth will be totally changed. Essentially there will be no evidence that mankind had ever lived in a telestial state after the first generation dies at the age of 72. The world will be a new clean slate. No skyscrapers, no temples, no computers, no nothing!

I am sure that there will be records that are preserved by the lord that will be allowed back on the Earth but other than those records everything else will be lost. If the second coming occurs in 5 years, the house and land that I own will no longer be mine because its location and apearance will have changed and there will be no record to prove that I owned it...

The Earth will be in a paradisiacal state, or terrestrial, or like it was in Eden. (Article of Faith 10)

Satan's influence will be gone. There shall be no sorrow. A man will grow to the age of a tree and then be twinkled. In that day whatever a man will ask it will be given him. (D&C 101: 27-31)

The 2/3 sealed portion of the BoM will arrive. As well as the record from the lost ten tribes.