andypg Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I was listening to a podcast with Terryl and Fiona Givens. One of the things they were saying was that the Restoration wasn't an event, it's a process that is still going on.So I was wondering, do you think the Restoration is ongoing? Is there an end to it before the Millennium? Quote
Windseeker Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 The Restoration has occurred, revelation continues. That's how I see it. Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I always assumed they meant that the restoration would be complete once LDS was everywhere (like the world or a good chuck of it was LDS) Quote
Windseeker Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I always assumed they meant that the restoration would be complete once LDS was everywhere (like the world or a good chuck of it was LDS) The church will fill the whole earth..but it will never be a large percentage of the population. My father (who I always felt was pretty knowledgeable about the gospel) even explained that when the Savior returns people my still hold on to their traditional forms of worship. They will acknowledge him as the Savior but they will not convert to his Church and remain their particular denomination. Quote
andypg Posted May 12, 2014 Author Report Posted May 12, 2014 How I see it, after thinking about it for a couple of hours, is that the restoration of the priesthood has occurred, but the restoration of the people, who together make up the church, is ongoing. Quote
mordorbund Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 (specifically windseeker since he voiced it, but others if your feel the same way) If you think the restoration is complete, when was it completed? Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 The restoration is ongoing. All things have not been restored yet. All things must be restored before the end. Str8Shooter 1 Quote
mordorbund Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 (And now, just to be equal opportunity :) ) If you think the restoration is still ongoing, what do you think is still left to be restored? Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 (And now, just to be equal opportunity :) ) If you think the restoration is still ongoing, what do you think is still left to be restored? Well, for one thing, as I discovered recently, the sacrifice of animals. Some other things are questionable, for example, polygamy and the law of consecration. Does the fact that they were restored count as restored before the end, or do all things restored have to be currently in place before the end? Even if the first is true, I don't know that the law of consecration counts as having been fully restored. ?? I'd have to do more thinking and research to come up with anything else. mordorbund 1 Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 The church will fill the whole earth..but it will never be a large percentage of the population. My father (who I always felt was pretty knowledgeable about the gospel) even explained that when the Savior returns people my still hold on to their traditional forms of worship. They will acknowledge him as the Savior but they will not convert to his Church and remain their particular denomination. how does something fill the whole earth and not be a large percent? Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 how does something fill the whole earth and not be a large percent? The same way that a drop of blue dye fills a bucket of water but is still only a small percent of the liquid therein. Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 The same way that a drop of blue dye fills a bucket of water but is still only a small percent of the liquid therein. You lost me, I don't understand how that translates to this... Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 You lost me, I don't understand how that translates to this... I admit it. The analogy was junk. :) I think it more reasonable to see "filling the whole earth" to mean that it has reached all nations. This has not happened yet. Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I admit it. The analogy was junk. :) I think it more reasonable to see "filling the whole earth" to mean that it has reached all nations. This has not happened yet.I see, so why does the church not feel it will be numerous? Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I see, so why does the church not feel it will be numerous? Correction: Relatively numerous. Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 Correction: Relatively numerous.relative to what? Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 relative to what? Well, obviously, to the number of people on the earth. What else could it mean? We are talking, after all, about how the church will never be a large percentage of the population, per Windseeker's post. Point being, there are already over 15 mill members. I'd call that numerous...but not relative to the population of the earth. Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I would consider numerous a group larger then any 1 city in the world Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I would consider numerous a group larger then any 1 city in the world But the word "numerous" and it's meaning was your addition to the conversation. The initial comment was that the church would fill the earth but never be a significant percentage of the population. Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 But the word "numerous" and it's meaning was your addition to the conversation. The initial comment was that the church would fill the earth but never be a significant percentage of the population.I know Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 I know Then why did you ask why the church feels it will not be numerous? I'm not even sure where you're going with this any more. I made an honest attempt to explain to you what is mean by Windseeker's post. We do not feel we won't be numerous, but we do feel that we will fill the earth by reaching all nations, and yet be a relatively lesser percentage of the population. I'm not sure wherein there seems to be some lingering contention. Am I being confusing in my explanations or am I confused at your responses? Quote
Lakumi Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 Then why did you ask why the church feels it will not be numerous? I'm not even sure where you're going with this any more. I made an honest attempt to explain to you what is mean by Windseeker's post. We do not feel we won't be numerous, but we do feel that we will fill the earth by reaching all nations, and yet be a relatively lesser percentage of the population. I'm not sure wherein there seems to be some lingering contention. Am I being confusing in my explanations or am I confused at your responses?No I understood what you meant so I moved on in the conversation Quote
Jane_Doe Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 Pres. Uchtdorf argues that the restoration is ongoing:https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/04/are-you-sleeping-through-the-restoration?lang=eng Str8Shooter, Daybreak79 and classylady 3 Quote
mrmarklin Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 I would agree with this. All things are certainly not restored. Location of the 10 tribes, New Jerusalem,........temple in old Jerusalem. Not sure how to interpret "fill the whole earth". We know many of the wicked will be destroyed, and of course some "good" non believers will live to see the millennium. Everyone will get at least a chance to hear the gospel, but how numerous the church is relative to the rest of the world....who can really know? The scriptures are silent. Quote
Windseeker Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 (specifically windseeker since he voiced it, but others if your feel the same way) If you think the restoration is complete, when was it completed? When the Priesthood was restored. So what are we missing with the ten tribes? I don't think that has anything to do with the restoration. mordorbund 1 Quote
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