It's Official. The Gay Agenda is to destroy religion.

[The Folk Prophet]

Yeah...the "be who you really are" or "be true to yourself" is one of Satan's huge counterfeits of truth because it conveniently leaves out the eternal perspective.

Of course even in the mortal perspective its a bunch of hooey. One might as well say it's a shame when parents teach their children how to walk because it's not letting the child be it's own self. A shame when kids are in school because learning is forcing them to change. A shame when people work to be fit, disciplined, clean, kinder, more professional, etc... All such a shame because they can't just be their lazy, uneducated, smelly, natural selves. Why would anyone bother with self improvement. Such a shame.

[NightSG]

1 hour ago, unixknight said:

I have a friend who is LDS and he's attracted to men.  He controls his temptation and is doing pretty well.

Once, I was talking to a co-worker who is homosexual and I mentioned this friend.  The co-worker's response:  "What a shame he has to suppress who he really is."

I'm LDS, and I'm attracted to Guinness.  Guess I should claim some sort of psychological damage from having to suppress that.

[anatess2]

15 minutes ago, NightSG said:

I'm LDS, and I'm attracted to Guinness.  Guess I should claim some sort of psychological damage from having to suppress that.

Yes.  Because, as you know, people think we're cuckoo for having to withhold our attraction for Guinness or Budweiser.

[unixknight]

46 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Why would anyone bother with self improvement. Such a shame.

I suppose their answer would be either:

-It's no improvement, because indulging in sexual desires is somehow more free thinking and enlightened than our dark age puritanism.

or

-There's no God and therefore all these rules are purely arbitrary and based on someone's own homophobia, and thus to follow them can't be an improvement.

Take your pick.  It's all based on the notion that morality is only valuable if it's entirely secular.

[bytebear]

Two thoughts.  First, for membership in the church, you need to obey certain commandments.  Yes, the degree at which they affect our happiness is different, but a cup of coffee can keep you out of the waters of baptism too.

Second, commandments aren't punishments.  They are paths to greater rewards.  What that means is, if you choose a same sex relationship, you now have no option than to include at least a third person in building a family, and that third person will have to give up a child to make someone else whole.  So, just by choosing a certain path, you are already either denying yourself blessings, or creating a situation where someone loses blessings.

But, the biggest issue I have is the denial of these facts.  And this is not the only place where people have changed society to "better themselves", "gotten more rights" or "liberated themselves" at the expense of other blessings, and to the point where society has dictated individual choices and made it very difficult to survive if you want to be a stay at home mom, for example.

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, unixknight said:

It never even occurred to this guy that my friend is being EXACTLY who he really is, and who he wants to be.

Lehi once told me about a time in Italy when a beggar asked him for some money.  He noticed that the guy was smoking cigarettes and mentioned that he didn't smoke.

The beggar then bent over backwards apologizing that Lehi didn't have enough money for cigarettes and tried to give him some.  Try as he might, he had a hard time explaining to this guy that he CHOSE to not smoke.

This is where the agenda will eventually lead.  It is not only that "it's ok".  It will eventually become "expected".

[LeSellers]

On 4/7/2016 at 10:21 AM, anatess2 said:

Yes.  Because, as you know, people think we're cuckoo for having to withhold our attraction for Guinness or Budweiser.

Who in the world could possibly be attracted to Budweiser?!?

In the book Human Scale, Kirkpatrick Sale wrote: "Orion P. Burkhardt, an executive of Anheuser-Busch , the leading national brewery, suggested something of the beermaker's concern for quality when he told the New York Times that his firm's only worry is how much beer drinkers 'are willing to give up in a taste sense' before hey are likely to protest." (See page 308 if you can find a copy of his excellent work.)

I've tasted beer (by accident) once: it tastes like what it looks like: horse p*ss. And this wasn't Budweiser, it was Foster's.

Lehi

Edited April 8, 2016 by LeSellers

[Guest MormonGator]

31 minutes ago, LeSellers said:

Who in the world could possibly be attracted to Budweiser?!?

In the book Human Scale, a senior manager of Anheuser Busch is quoted as saying something like "It;s a matter of how much the drinker is willing to give up in a taste sense … .

I've tasted beer (by accident) once: it tastes like what it looks like: horse p*ss. And this wasn't Budweiser, it was Foster's.

Lehi

It's an acquired taste, and beer can actually taste very good. Taste buds are subjective. I don't like potatoes. 

[NightSG]

33 minutes ago, LeSellers said:

I've tasted beer (by accident) once: it tastes like what it looks like: horse p*ss. And this wasn't Budweiser, it was Foster's.

Still an overhopped lager.  Far cry from a good porter or nut brown ale.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MormonGator said:

It's an acquired taste, and beer can actually taste very good. Taste buds are subjective. I don't like potatoes. 

Why would you want to acquire a taste for it?  But what to I know.  I wouldn't mind kim chee at every meal.  But do NOT mix it with chocolate.

[unixknight]

15 hours ago, MormonGator said:

It's an acquired taste, and beer can actually taste very good. Taste buds are subjective. I don't like potatoes. 

Back before I converted I had a thing for Red Dog.  (Don't judge.)  Budweiser was my second choice because it was similar, but with less flavor.  I really don't miss it but I can understand why people would.

[The Folk Prophet]

16 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Why would you want to acquire a taste for it?  

Presumably for the alcohol therein.

I mean, I suppose there are other options for that and all...but do you really want to be the guy at the frat party who's drinking the Zima while everyone else is chugging the keggers.

 

I have no idea what I'm talking about except for my knowledge from the movies.

[Guest MormonGator]

3 hours ago, unixknight said:

Back before I converted I had a thing for Red Dog.  (Don't judge.)  Budweiser was my second choice because it was similar, but with less flavor.  I really don't miss it but I can understand why people would.

I don't judge you at all my friend. I know a lot of people who drink alcohol and are wonderful people and I know a lot of teetotalers who are scumbags. The teetotalers who are "questionable" morally are not LDS.  

[unixknight]

Heh I meant don't judge me for liking Red Dog... Back in the day, every time I told someone I liked it, they looked at me funny and wrinkled their nose.

Edited April 8, 2016 by unixknight

[Guest MormonGator]

13 minutes ago, unixknight said:

Heh I meant don't judge me for liking Red Dog... Back in the day, every time I told someone I liked it, they looked at me funny and wrinkled their nose.

lol! That's awesome. My bad. 

[NightSG]

5 hours ago, unixknight said:

Back before I converted I had a thing for Red Dog.

If you take the weed out of the baggie before you smoke it, the plastic won't damage your taste buds so much.

[unixknight]

Matt Walsh has an interesting piece on this issue.

[Guest Godless]

On 4/7/2016 at 5:09 PM, NightSG said:

Still an overhopped lager.  Far cry from a good porter or nut brown ale.

If Bud and Fosters are overhopped, I'd hate to know what you think about the beer I drink.

[prisonchaplain]

Historically, Christianity flourishes in persecution. Still, I love my country, and would like to see the Constitution upheld for awhile longer.  What concerns me is the extent to which elite college students have accepted speech codes and limitations on liberty, in the name of sensitivity, providing "safe space," and generally not being offensive.  At some point these children will be leading us. Will they decide that proselytizing is offensive, and should not be protected? Will they decide the conversions are generally coerced, and make it illegal to seek such for others?

There are voices demanding that churches be taxed. There have been attempts to subpoena religious talk notes. Some are even insisting that religious liberty is a concept that is inherently anti-LBGT.

It's easy to become pessimistic, cynical, or apocalyptic. Perhaps the LORD is calling his people to our knees?

Edited April 12, 2016 by prisonchaplain

[Guest]

@prisonchaplain,

No, it is not just pessimism or cynicism.  But it is apocalyptic in the literal sense.  One of the top 10 "most complained about books in America" is the Bible.  Yes, we're already there.

We have the right to freedom of religion as long as we don't refuse business to those who ask us to participate in things offensive to us. Yet...
They have the right to gay marriage and we MUST serve them or be forced out of business.

The mark of the beast or we will not be able to transact business.  Yes, we're getting there.

[LeSellers]

11 hours ago, prisonchaplain said:

It's easy to become pessimistic, cynical, or apocalyptic. Perhaps the LORD is calling his people to our knees?

He has done the same thing in the past, Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind, as the repeated captivity of the Lord's people in Israel and Lehi-Nephi/Zarahemla.

Famines and droughts, floods and fires from the heavens, invading armies and pestilences: the Lord uses the forces of the earth, and even of Satan to bring His people to their knees. But while this repentance is better than continued sin, it is better to repent before the onslaughts.

Lehi

[LeSellers]

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

No, it is not just pessimism or cynicism.  But it is apocalyptic in the literal sense.  One of the top 10 "most complained about books in America" is the Bible.  Yes, we're already there.

As has been foretold.

But, just as John's Revelation of Jesus Christ on Patmos explains, there will be even worse, and the Saints will need to  take heart in the one irrefutable truth of this world: the Lord is in charge, and as bad as it could get, He will redeem His people.

Lehi

[Guest MormonGator]

2 hours ago, LeSellers said:

He will redeem His people.

 

It'll all work out in the end, really. That's why I don't get too worried/upset about the worldly things. 

[NightSG]

15 hours ago, Godless said:

If Bud and Fosters are overhopped, I'd hate to know what you think about the beer I drink.

When they're trying to make up for a lack of body with hops, it doesn't take much to be too much.

[prisonchaplain]

4 hours ago, LeSellers said:

He has done the same thing in the past, Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind, as the repeated captivity of the Lord's people in Israel and Lehi-Nephi/Zarahemla.

Lehi

Israel was delivered when they repented. Sodom and Gomorrah could have been spared had there been 10 righteous. To add another, Ninevah was spared destruction for three generations, because of repentance. God will judge when He judges, but as long as I have young children and loved ones in my life, I'll pray for mercy and deliverance. Let a future generation experience judgment--at least so long as there is a remnant willing to stand in the gap for their communities.