No Obamacare Repeal

[yjacket]

2 hours ago, Backroads said:

The employers of Husband and yours truly were awesome at getting us affordable and good insurance, but we seem to be alone in this. 

The flat-out worst thing about the ACA is how expensive it has made insurance for the middle class. If I hear one more word about how "it's so nice for poor people and the middle class should just suck it up", I will lose my mind.

Exactly, since Obamacare was passed my premiums have doubled, my deductibles have doubled, my max out of pocket has increased by 30%, what I pay after I hit the deductible has doubled and I get the same services.  What a load of crap-this is socialism.  Take from the haves give to the havenots.  From each according to his ability to each according to his need.  The basics have communism are alive and well in the US.

Edited March 4, 2017 by yjacket

[Guest]

On 3/4/2017 at 1:17 AM, askandanswer said:

I'm truly amazed at what I'm looking at here, although I must confess I don't fully understand it. Is this a fair and representative example of the complexity of US tax return forms? If so, it's truly absurd!

Yes, it's fair.

Yes, it's representative.  In fact, it IS THE FORM.

Yes, it's truly absurd.

[Ffenix]

On 3/4/2017 at 11:06 AM, yjacket said:

  From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

... I (almost) literally just finished reading Atlas Shrugged, so that's going to be bouncing around in my head even more than it already was.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Ffenix

[Guest Godless]

The bill got pulled literally minutes before the scheduled House vote, supposedly by Trump's request. So what now? I see two possibilities.

1. Rand Paul will get a chance to try out his plan. He's been one of the most outspoken GOP opponents to the AHCA and Trump gave it some brief praise the same day the AHCA was introduced. 

2. The GOP will blame the Democrats for the bill's failure, pat themselves on the back for trying, and get back to their normal agenda. Trump won't like it, but I can't imagine that the congressional GOP will care that much. They'll justify their inaction by pointing to their continued claims that the ACA is going to die on its own without their help, which some experts have said would actually be slightly less harmful than passing the AHCA.

[yjacket]

Yeap, so much for the Paul Ryan's "process"- he's just another RINO. The Rs voted how many times to repeal it and Obama vetoed the repeal bill?

This is exactly why people were/are ticked off and why Trump won. The RINO's showed their true colors today.  What is so hard about passing the same bill you passed a year ago? The House is more conservative, the Senate more conservative.  Oh that's right b/c some congresscritters like to pretend they are conservative by voting yes on meaningless bills that will never become law and then when the rubber hits the road, they want to pass Obamacare Lite.

This is absolutely a failure of leadership-a failure of leadership on Paul Ryan and I hope he goes down for it.

They should throw out any congress critter who isn't a member of the Freedom Caucus and start over.

And there is more afoot here that just repeal I believe.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/03/24/trumps-health-care-melee-major-problem-for-speaker-paul-ryan.html

I'd love it if Ryan got pulled from Speaker.

Edited March 24, 2017 by yjacket

[Guest Godless]

5 minutes ago, yjacket said:

Yeap, so much for the Paul Ryan's "process"- he's just another RINO. The Rs voted how many times to repeal it and Obama vetoed the repeal bill?

This is exactly why people were/are ticked off and why Trump won. The RINO's showed their true colors today.  What is so hard about passing the same bill you passed a year ago? The House is more conservative, the Senate more conservative.  Oh that's right b/c some congresscritters like to pretend they are conservative by voting yes on meaningless bills that will never become law and then when the rubber hits the road, they want to pass Obamacare Lite.

This is absolutely a failure of leadership-a failure of leadership on Paul Ryan and I hope he goes down for it.

They should throw out any congress critter who isn't a member of the Freedom Caucus and start over.

My favorite development this week was Trump complaining about the Freedom Caucus opposition, citing that as a pro-life and anti-PP group, they should support the AHCA, as if Planned Parenthood funding was the only thing at stake with this train wreck of a bill. 

[Just_A_Guy]

Interestingly Ryan is getting set up to take the fall on this;  even though it's Trump who is on record as supporting universal health care.  It will be interesting to know, at some future date, who was really pushed leftwards by whom.

At any rate--we didn't need dealmakers; we needed doctrinaire disciplinarians.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Just_A_Guy

[Guest Godless]

54 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

 It will be interesting to know, at some future date, who was really pushed leftwards by whom.

I think it was Trump pushing Ryan. Ryan probably would have been okay with a full repeal with no replacement. Trump obviously wanted an alternate government plan all along. And you're right, Ryan is absolutely going to get destroyed for this. And unless Rand Paul's plan gets a legitimate shot, I'll be very surprised to see any further proposals from the GOP. I think they're ready to move on from this, even if Trump is not.

[Just_A_Guy]

8 minutes ago, Godless said:

I think it was Trump pushing Ryan. Ryan probably would have been okay with a full repeal with no replacement. Trump obviously wanted an alternate government plan all along. And you're right, Ryan is absolutely going to get destroyed for this. And unless Rand Paul's plan gets a legitimate shot, I'll be very surprised to see any further proposals from the GOP. I think they're ready to move on from this, even if Trump is not.

I think it was Lincoln who told the story of a bear that invaded a camp of lumberjacks one day, causing the men to scatter.  One of them climbed a tree and fell out--landing into the bear's back.  He grabbed that bear's ears and held on for dear life--staying on was intolerable, but letting go was absolutely unthinkable.

I think that's where the congressional GOP is with health care reform.  Their bases aren't going to just let them walk away from this, however much they may wish to.  And if Obamacare is the fiscal disaster we on the right think it will be, then pretty soon it will need additional funding; and that will re-open the debate all over again.

[Guest]

I can't help but believe that things are unfolding exactly as planned behind closed doors. 

Modern Gadianton robbery in action.

[bytebear]

It's like both want the power, but want it in their own way.  But both the Ds and the Rs are not actually helping the people. 

[yjacket]

12 hours ago, Eowyn said:

I can't help but believe that things are unfolding exactly as planned behind closed doors. 

Modern Gadianton robbery in action.

While we might be at more opposite ends of the spectrum. I can heartily agree with this!

Edited March 25, 2017 by yjacket

[The Folk Prophet]

13 hours ago, bytebear said:

It's like both want the power, but want it in their own way.  But both the Ds and the Rs are not actually helping the people. 

That's because the Rs aren't actually conservative any more.

[yjacket]

On 3/25/2017 at 1:16 PM, The Folk Prophet said:

That's because the Rs aren't actually conservative any more.

Yeap.  I'm not liking the current trend of POTUS and Ryan attacking the Freedom Caucus-they are the most conservative and best of Congress.  Rather than attacking the Freedom Caucus they should be attacking all the moderate/liberal sheep in wolves clothing Republicans (I'm looking at you Mr. Paul Ryan).

I agree with the Twitter wars of Justin Amash, one of the very few patriots in Congress.

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We told you so Trumpers. We told you so. 

[Guest Godless]

19 minutes ago, yjacket said:

Yeap.  I'm not liking the current trend of POTUS and Ryan attacking the Freedom Caucus-they are the most conservative and best of Congress.

I'm no conservative, but I sincerely hope the Freedom Caucus stands their ground. I said before the election that a Trump victory could be very damaging to the GOP, and I see no reason to back away from that statement. 

 Rather than attacking the Freedom Caucus they should be attacking all the moderate/liberal sheep in wolves clothing Republicans (I'm looking at you Mr. Paul Ryan).

Why would Trump attack his own lackeys?

[JohnsonJones]

I had great insurance before the ACA...then those of us that were 100% insured and were willing to pay the monthly rates...due to some ACA stuff that encouraged employers to drop that type of insurance, no longer even have the option to get it.

I don't agree with the option to force people to pay to be alive (individual mandate, if you are born in the US, you owe taxes simply because you are alive, or you pay for insurance.  Either way you owe money simply for being born).  I don't agree with that part of the ACA.  To be honest, this is the only REAL reason I've ever had against the ACA, but to me, that's a biggie.  You don't just tax people because they are born, that's just wrong.

In that light, they SHOULD simply repeal it post haste and then figure out what to replace it with rather than dawdling around like they have been.

They had a LOT of successful votes when Obama was president to repeal the ACA only to be stopped by Obama and the Democrats.  Now that they have the power to do it for real, they suddenly are slacking.  It indicates every vote they made before was simply political grandstanding and the only reason they did it was to make the democrats look bad and to make them look good.  They never had any intention of repealing it, it was just smoke and mirrors.

At this point I'm beginning to think they have no intention to repeal it, or replace it for that matter.

Edited March 31, 2017 by JohnsonJones