unequal relationships

[estradling75]

52 minutes ago, jewels8 said:

I see your point estradling75.

Then please also see the point that it is incredibly tiresome to have to repeatedly defend oneself from people would assume worst because they do not understand something...

[Guest MormonGator]

6 minutes ago, estradling75 said:

Then please also see the point that it is incredibly tiresome to have to repeatedly defend oneself from people would assume worst because they do not understand something...

dude, they said they saw your point. Take it as a win and move on. 

[estradling75]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

dude, they said they saw your point. Take it as a win and move on. 

She said she saw one point... She has attacked on many different point because she does not understand them.. So she needs to take that tiny ray of enlightenment and apply it rest of her points..  Or to quote President Uchtdorf she needs to doubt her doubts rather then presuming that her doubts are true and demanding answers.

 

[Guest MormonGator]

4 minutes ago, estradling75 said:

She said she saw one point... She has attacked on many different point because she does not understand them.. So she needs to take that tiny ray of enlightenment and apply it rest of her points..  Or to quote President Uchtdorf she needs to doubt her doubts rather then presuming that her doubts are true and demanding answers.

 

You need to become more pragmatic my friend. In the real world, sometimes you need to take a win and let the rest of the stuff go. 

[estradling75]

Just now, MormonGator said:

You need to become more pragmatic my friend. In the real world, sometimes you need to take a win and let the rest of the stuff go. 

And sometime when you see the barrier crack you need to hit it again.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, jewels8 said:

I said many things that are good about men, as well.

When?  I haven't heard anything good about men in any of your posts apart from the standard disclaimer "Not all men are that bad" or "My husband is wonderful" or something equally bland.

Edited September 6, 2017 by Guest

[Dillon]

On 9/3/2017 at 5:31 PM, LiterateParakeet said:

Speaking or elderly widows and widowers, my friend, who is a therapist said, "Women grieve, men replace."  I have noticed that men often remarry soon after their wife dies...sometimes shockingly soon after.  Apparently, that is how they deal with grieving.  

 

This may be the case with an elderly woman, but definitely not so much with a younger woman. Not saying they dont grieve, but they do replace, and it doesnt take them any longer to replace than it does in a man's case. 

[Vort]

14 hours ago, jewels8 said:

Imiav, I said many things that are good about men, as well.

Those bottle tops don't unscrew themselves.

[anatess2]

15 hours ago, jewels8 said:

I did not say that all men rape women.  Also it is not the men who are the 1 in 5, it is the women who have been sexually abused (not necessarily raped, as I stated)  You can look up the statistics for yourself.  Thank you for your support.

This statistic is like the 95% of scientist agree with Climate Change claim.  The statistic is derived from sandy foundation but it gets used by media to suit their own propaganda.

First of all, the statistical claim is 1 in 5 women in college campuses are victims of sexual assault or rape, not just rape.  Sexual assault can be - somebody tried to kiss you without your explicit consent.  It used to be that "stealing a kiss" was something many women liked because it takes the responsibility of it out of their hands allowing them to remain demure.  And young women would play this game of hard-to-get so the young men would steal a kiss.  But the 3rd wave feminists changed the culture so fast that women, especially in college campuses where 3rd wave feminism swept the country, now counted stealing a kiss in the 1 in 5 statistic as sexual assault or sexual battery.  It also wasn't so long ago when women would say No during sexual encounters and then grab men back into the activity with their actions.  A very recent movie - Gifted - which is a pretty awesome movie, showed this on screen.  Like the movie, the woman regretted the decision the day after.  Well, in the study, that's considered rape.  Men are trying to keep up with this trend and created MGTOW in response.  And that's the natural progression of society when women collectively band together and emasculate their men.

This article is written by one of the researchers in that statistical research and he emphatically says this statistic being used as a claim that 1 in 5 women in college campuses are raped is contrary to the conclusions of the research.  Unfortunately, nobody is listening to him.  The 1 in 5 statistic is being pushed in the required "sexual abuse prevention" class in college campuses.  Not only that, the 1 in 5 statistic is even being applied to all women and not just women in college campuses.  Like I said... Feminism IS CANCER.

 

Edited September 6, 2017 by anatess2

[Dillon]

5 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

This statistic is like the 95% of scientist agree with Climate Change claim.  The statistic is derived from sandy foundation but it gets used by media to suit their own propaganda.

First of all, the statistical claim is 1 in 5 women in college campuses are victims of sexual assault or rape, not just rape.  Sexual assault can be - somebody tried to kiss you without your explicit consent.  It used to be that "stealing a kiss" was something many women liked because it takes the responsibility of it out of their hands allowing them to remain demure.  And young women would play this game of hard-to-get so the young men would steal a kiss.  But the 3rd wave feminists changed the culture so fast that women, especially in college campuses where 3rd wave feminism swept the country, now counted stealing a kiss in the 1 in 5 statistic as sexual assault or sexual battery.  It also wasn't so long ago when women would say No during sexual encounters and then grab men back into the activity with their actions.  A very recent movie - Gifted - which is a pretty awesome movie, showed this on screen.  Like the movie, the woman regretted the decision the day after.  Well, in the study, that's considered rape.

This article is written by one of the researchers in that statistical research and he emphatically says this statistic being used as a claim that 1 in 5 women in college campuses are raped is contrary to the conclusions of the research.  Unfortunately, nobody is listening to him.  The 1 in 5 statistic is being pushed in the required "sexual abuse prevention" class in college campuses.  Like I said... Feminism IS CANCER.

 

 

 

Well look a there,  you and I agree on something that pertains to women. And I do agree. All "rape" is counted- accusations, upset vengeful girlfriends, regret sex. And assault includes things such as a pat on the back, even a hug.  Feminism teaches  that if a woman says it happened then it happened.

[anatess2]

1 minute ago, Dillon said:

Well look a there,  you and I agree on something that pertains to women. And I do agree. All "rape" is counted- accusations, upset vengeful girlfriends, regret sex. And assault includes things such as a pat on the back, even a hug.  Feminism teaches  that if a woman says it happened then it happened.

My suggestion... Quit while you're ahead.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

It used to be that "stealing a kiss" was something many women liked because it takes the responsibility of it out of their hands allowing them to remain demure. 

Clearly a sexual assault.

Edited September 6, 2017 by Guest

[Dillon]

16 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

My suggestion... Quit while you're ahead.

Now If I were a woman and not a male, you would sending high fives and thank you's. Why is it a man can get bashed by women in here and its ok, heck even a woman can sorta bash another female, but "bash" may be a bit harsh a word, lets call it pleasantly disagree. But me as a man, I cant say anything even female related because I dont know anything about a woman right,  heck I cant even agree with a woman without being scolded for agreeing with a woman. 

[my two cents]

1 minute ago, Dillon said:

Now If I were a woman and not a male, you would sending high fives and thank you's. Why is it a man can get bashed by women in here and its ok, heck even a woman can sorta bash another female, but "bash" may be a bit harsh a word, lets call it pleasantly disagree. But me as a man, I cant say anything even female related because I dont know anything about a woman right,  heck I cant even agree with a woman without being scolded for agreeing with a woman. 

so now you're playing the victim card - lovely

[anatess2]

31 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Now If I were a woman and not a male, you would sending high fives and thank you's. Why is it a man can get bashed by women in here and its ok, heck even a woman can sorta bash another female, but "bash" may be a bit harsh a word, lets call it pleasantly disagree. But me as a man, I cant say anything even female related because I dont know anything about a woman right,  heck I cant even agree with a woman without being scolded for agreeing with a woman. 

We only reserve that special treatment for men with misogynist tendencies.  It's a service we provide.

[Dillon]

23 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

We only reserve that special treatment for men with misogynist tendencies.  It's a service we provide.

I dont know what that means but will assume since you ladies are so nice that it is a compliment.

[anatess2]

2 minutes ago, Dillon said:

I dont know what that means but will assume since you ladies are so nice that it is a compliment.

Ooookay.

Edited September 6, 2017 by anatess2

[Dillon]

28 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Ooookay.

I was joking because I am not what you describe,  I speak facts, I realize facts are sometimes hard to take but they are still facts. Does not mean I am hateful, I just try and understand an ever changing world and people. That is why I came to this discussion board, but some dont want to hear what they dont want to hear and thats ok.

[anatess2]

7 minutes ago, Dillon said:

I was joking because I am not what you describe,  I speak facts, I realize facts are sometimes hard to take but they are still facts. Does not mean I am hateful, I just try and understand an ever changing world and people. That is why I came to this discussion board, but some dont want to hear what they dont want to hear and thats ok.

CNN says it's reporting facts too.  But at least they know they're just playing loose with it to gain more money, shill for the Democrats, etc.  It would be sad if CNN people honestly don't realize they're peddling in Fake News and they just point to some dissenter and say... you just don't want to hear what you don't want to hear.

Edited September 6, 2017 by anatess2

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

3 hours ago, Dillon said:

This may be the case with an elderly woman, but definitely not so much with a younger woman. Not saying they dont grieve, but they do replace, and it doesnt take them any longer to replace than it does in a man's case. 

In my experience, it makes little difference...young or old, death or divorce.  I'm not saying divorced women don't remarry, just that they don't do it as fast as men do.  

I didn't share that quote to bash men.  My therapist friend who shared it is a man.  It's not a slam on men, simply an observation.  

Edited September 6, 2017 by LiterateParakeet

[Guest]

Pew says men remarry more often.  But the gap is shrinking.

See link for other info.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/11/14/chapter-2-the-demographics-of-remarriage/

The survey does not address how long one takes to get remarried.  Therefore, no data on how the male/female demographics work out.

[estradling75]

9 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:

In my experience, it makes little difference...young or old, death or divorce.  I'm not saying divorced women don't remarry, just that they don't do it as fast as men do.  

I didn't share that quote to bash men.  My therapist friend who shared it is a man.  It's not a slam on men, simply an observation.  

Indeed... and there a world of different between a statement that says/implies that Men seem to "replace" lost spouses more commonly then Women do... and the statement that says/implies Men are heartless selfish jerks because they don't grieve exactly the same way as Women do.

The first acknowledges the men and women are different and that we might not fully understand one another...  The second berates and belittles men because they different and should become women.

 

 

[Guest]

This site says men get remarried faster than women.  But it does not cite sources, nor does it state what the gap (in years) is.

https://brandongaille.com/52-fascinating-divorce-and-remarriage-statistics/

I also have to point out that men don't live as long as women.  So, the statistic is going to be skewed anyway because there are some women who cannot remarry simply because of availability of men.

The Pew Poll actually helps confirm this as the numbers skew more as we get older.  Of course, the same patter could also be indicative of older men being able to marry younger women and older women being unable to marry younger men.

Edited September 6, 2017 by Guest

[Dillon]

1 hour ago, LiterateParakeet said:

In my experience, it makes little difference...young or old, death or divorce.  I'm not saying divorced women don't remarry, just that they don't do it as fast as men do.  

I didn't share that quote to bash men.  My therapist friend who shared it is a man.  It's not a slam on men, simply an observation.  

I am not sure I can agree with just by what I have seen from experience. I have consoled a many a male friend over the loss of a wife, divorce whatever, while I watched their ex wife prance around town like nothing happened, arm and arm with their new man. "how can she find someone so quick" I have been asked.  Well my friend, some women use they dont love, thats how. In a divorce/breakup the woman has a new man within the same week, sometimes within days, sometimes the same day. Every woman I ever dated was out with a new man that same week we broke up.

Edited September 6, 2017 by Dillon

[Guest LiterateParakeet]

3 minutes ago, Dillon said:

I am not sure I can agree with just by what I have seen from experience. I have consoled a many a male friend over the loss of a wife, divorce whatever, while I watched their ex wife prance around town like nothing happened, arm and arm with their new man. "how can she find someone so quick" I have been asked.  Well my friend, some women use they dont love, thats how. In a divorce/breakup the woman has a new man within the same week, sometimes within days, sometimes the same day. Every woman I ever dated was out with a new man that same week we broke up.

I don't doubt that what you are saying it true in some instances though that has not been my experience.  I will accept that it is yours.

However, I couldn't help but laugh...up thread you claimed that we were picking on men.  That's why I made a point to clarify that that was not my point.  I only meant to say, this appears to be the way that men grieve (by replacing).  As they taught us in the MTC, just because it's different doesn't mean it's wrong.  Your post, however, is definitely criticizing the women you speak of.  Do you realize you are sounding a tad hypocritical here?  

Edited September 6, 2017 by LiterateParakeet