jewels8 Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 Many LDS know that the peace that the Holy Spirit brings can not be duplicated by the adversary. But is there any doctrine that states that Satan and/or the spirits who followed him in the pre earth life (not any born onto the earth), can deceive others by putting on them the appearance of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and/or Heavenly Father? I wouldn't think that would be allowed, but wondered if any General Authorities have ever specifically needed to discuss that or shared any insight on it. Quote
jewels8 Posted September 4, 2017 Author Report Posted September 4, 2017 We are taught that the devil can deceive as an "angel of light" How can he come in light, when he, himself is the epitome of the grossest darkness? Only having the spirit can people help to not be deceived. I know the Doctrine & Covenants speaks of ways to detect him. Quote
Jane_Doe Posted September 4, 2017 Report Posted September 4, 2017 I think you answered your own question Quote
Traveler Posted September 7, 2017 Report Posted September 7, 2017 @jewels8 From the beginning Lucifer, has attempted to take the role of Christ or Messiah. He has also claimed to be G-d and demanded should be worshiped. The Traveler Quote
Fether Posted September 7, 2017 Report Posted September 7, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 2:46 PM, jewels8 said: Many LDS know that the peace that the Holy Spirit brings can not be duplicated by the adversary. But is there any doctrine that states that Satan and/or the spirits who followed him in the pre earth life (not any born onto the earth), can deceive others by putting on them the appearance of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and/or Heavenly Father? I wouldn't think that would be allowed, but wondered if any General Authorities have ever specifically needed to discuss that or shared any insight on it. I suppose he could for some... In fact I'm pretty sure he has convinced many he is a Christ Quote
Guest Posted September 7, 2017 Report Posted September 7, 2017 @jewels8, I'm not really sure if you still have a question. As Jane pointed out, you seem to have answered your own question. Are you still wondering about something? Quote
zil Posted September 7, 2017 Report Posted September 7, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 2:46 PM, jewels8 said: But is there any doctrine that states that Satan and/or the spirits who followed him in the pre earth life (not any born onto the earth), can deceive others by putting on them the appearance of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and/or Heavenly Father? I'd like to point out the obvious: unless you've seen the real Jesus Christ and/or Heavenly Father, what good would it do for someone to fake their appearance - you wouldn't know the difference. If you have seen the real one(s), then you'd recognize the difference in the experience if not the appearance (see Moses 1:11-22). Elsewhere, we are taught how to distinguish between a devil and an angel of God. Anddenex and Midwest LDS 2 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted September 7, 2017 Report Posted September 7, 2017 All this talk about faking the appearance of Christ-anyone ever read The Last Battle by CS Lewis? When Shift the Ape dresses up Puzzle the donkey as Aslan? Anyone? Quote
jewels8 Posted September 8, 2017 Author Report Posted September 8, 2017 Yes, I have read The Last Battle by C.S. Lewis Quote
JohnsonJones Posted September 8, 2017 Report Posted September 8, 2017 22 hours ago, MormonGator said: All this talk about faking the appearance of Christ-anyone ever read The Last Battle by CS Lewis? When Shift the Ape dresses up Puzzle the donkey as Aslan? Anyone? I've read the Last Battle, it's been a while though. It showed one particularly interesting insight into the Mind of Lewis that I've liked. It showed the idea that the ONLY judge is the LORD. When we see Aslan as the symbolic meaning of the Lord in the book, he accepts someone who devotedly worshipped in another religion. In this, Lewis expressed the idea that it is possible for others who would have followed the Lord devotedly if they knew, could also attain heaven. I think it also showed that it is the LORD that decides, not MAN in who gets to heaven and who does not. Sorry, I guess that is off topic, but I think that's something that reflects my own beliefs. Too often we try to say so and so is going to heaven, or so or so is not (which I suppose in some ways is trying to set ourselves up as a representation of a false judge/deity), when in fact, the ONLY one that is the true judge is the Lord himself. Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted September 8, 2017 Report Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnsonJones said: I've read the Last Battle, it's been a while though. It showed one particularly interesting insight into the Mind of Lewis that I've liked. It showed the idea that the ONLY judge is the LORD. When we see Aslan as the symbolic meaning of the Lord in the book, he accepts someone who devotedly worshipped in another religion. In this, Lewis expressed the idea that it is possible for others who would have followed the Lord devotedly if they knew, could also attain heaven. I think it also showed that it is the LORD that decides, not MAN in who gets to heaven and who does not. Sorry, I guess that is off topic, but I think that's something that reflects my own beliefs. Too often we try to say so and so is going to heaven, or so or so is not (which I suppose in some ways is trying to set ourselves up as a representation of a false judge/deity), when in fact, the ONLY one that is the true judge is the Lord himself. I agree totally. I think Shift is his (Lewis) view of the papacy. Not an insult to Catholics, just what I think Lewis thought of the Papacy. Again, not an insult to Catholics. Edited September 8, 2017 by MormonGator Quote
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