Anddenex Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Lost Boy said: Have you ever stopped and contemplated why God does what he does? Does God have a motive for what he does? What does he get out of what he does? Or does he get anything out of it? If he loves us, why did he let a third of the hosts of heaven follow Satan, never to be saved? If God can do anything, why didn't he just make us all like him? Just clone himself a bunch of times? Why give us the option to fail? Why not design a system that allows for exaltation without the chance of failure? Have you ever stopped and contemplated why God does what he does? Yes, and I would say that anyone who comes to the knowledge of God would ask this question. We humans like to know what thoughts, ideas, principles, etc... make us tick. It would be logical then to want to know why God does what he does. Does God have a motive for what he does? God is an intelligent being. All intelligent beings have motives for why they do what they do. What does he get out of what he does? Or does he get anything out of it? Glory upon glory, intelligence upon intelligence. As we have not come to such selfless state as God, I believe it is harder for us to understand that God doesn't care about anything in a selfish manner -- as in the natural man state of mind -- "I get mine." God receives joy and rejoicing, sorry and pain in relation to his sons and daughters as found out with Enoch witnessing the Lord in tears. What do we receive when we are able to view our children growing up in righteousness, and what do we receive when we view them desiring a different path than righteousness. If he loves us, why did he let a third of the hosts of heaven follow Satan, never to be saved? Moral agency exists now as it existed then; otherwise, God would cease to be God. My allowance toward my own children when they act against my desires does in no way dictate a lack of love. The opposite is more true, it dictates my love for them. If I were to provide my children the opportunity to receive one million dollars if they followed and honored specific predicated rules, commands, and laws, and only 4 of the six were to receive that one million dollars, have I shown a lack of love? No. Each child had the opportunity, the same opportunity, to receive one million dollars. Their decision to disobey the rules, commands, and laws predicated is more of show of their lack of love in my direction. Satan and the third of hosts of heaven are the ones who have shown a lack of love. Our Father in heaven has remained loving. If God can do anything, why didn't he just make us all like him? Just clone himself a bunch of times? I am not sure the line of thinking here. If we were just clones then we would not be "sons and daugthers" of God, we would be God the Father. Why would I want to make clones of myself when I have the ability to create children in mine own likeness? Which is more satisfying? "If God can do anything..." questions kinda implode on themselves. Growing up my best friends asked me one time, "If God can do anything, can he make a rock he can't jump over"? A clone of oneself would require multiple "spirit bodies" (intelligences) of oneself. We know we are intelligences that are eternal. This would imply, if God could make a clone of himself, then there would be existing intelligences the same as him, or one would have to come up with a decent theory as to how there would be multiple spirits of God the Father. Why give us the option to fail? Why not design a system that allows for exaltation without the chance of failure? Same reason why teachers give us the option to fail the final test. Does a teacher love his/her students less because they have the opportunity to fail an exam? No. The option to fail, as @Traveler mentioned, "We must be invested to become like G-d." Students are more likely to fail who aren't invested in doing well, or who have not been taught. We all have been taught. The reason for failure is that we ourselves were not invested. As the teacher loves his/her students though they might be able to fail a test, God loves us all also. If we did not have the chance for failure then life would be as the scriptures specify -- one body. The only way we would have no chance for failure is if we remove failure. If we remove failure then we have, by default, removed the opportunity for success. If we remove one, we ultimately remove the other -- one body. Edited September 20, 2018 by Anddenex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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