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I get no pleasure saying this, but Pauls voice is shot. Completely gone. Unless you are a diehard fan like @mirkwood (Seriously, he has two rooms in his house dedicated to Kiss merchandise. What a loser) do NOT go to this concert. 

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1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

I get no pleasure saying this, but Pauls voice is shot. Completely gone. Unless you are a diehard fan like @mirkwood (Seriously, he has two rooms in his house dedicated to Kiss merchandise. What a loser) do NOT go to this concert. 

If memory serves, his knees are also going. 

Gene is already semi-committed to his solo act, and in fact he had Ace's solo act opening for him in Australia not long ago. 

Eric has enough friends in the industry still that he can easily find work in another band or even go solo. 

Tommy's taken some heat from people, like Dee Snider, because of how he ended up being associated with KISS in the first place, but he's got enough rep and cred to where he could easily be a behind-the-scenes man for another group. 

It's time. 

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1 minute ago, Grunt said:

How many farewell tours are they going to have?

The group originally planned to break up in 2001, in large part because Gene and Paul were feeling exhausted. Gene's first autobiography, "KISS and Make-Up", ends on this note. 

However, when Gene and Paul realized that the fans were still present and still wanted to see everyone going, they decided to see where the source of the exhaustion was. 

The source? Ace and Peter. The pair had spent the late 1970s and first half of the 1980s going hard into drugs and alcohol; this was why they were fired in the first place. Ace had modest success with his own group in the mid - to - late 1980s, but both guys were back to square one by the mid-1990s when they finally talked Gene and Paul into letting them come back. 

When the decision was made to do a regular tour again like in the old days, it became apparent in short order that the two didn't have it anymore. Their substance abuse had completely robbed them of their stamina, and Ace hadn't played any of his KISS material in so long that Tommy had to re-teach him all of his old guitar parts. 

The exhaustion Gene and Paul were feeling, then, was from having to carry the two. 

Ace and Peter were let go a second time, and the quest was on to replace them. Eric Singer, drummer #3, didn't have any prior commitments, so he was able to come back as a drummer. But Mark St. John (guitarist #3) and Bruce Kulick (guitarist #4) had active commitments with their current bands. So by mutual decision, Tommy - formerly of Black N' Blue and noted KISS cover band Cold Gin - was voted in. 

Ace and Peter tried to sue because Eric and Tommy were wearing their make-up, but the suit was tossed when Gene pointed out the fact that KISS was a corporate entity (that is, he incorporated the band as a whole) and each person's costumes & make-up patterns were the intellectual property of the corporation as a whole. 

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8 minutes ago, Grunt said:

How many farewell tours are they going to have?

I believe this is only their second farewell tour. The first one was, in the words of Paul Stanley "To put the original line up out of it's misery". 

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15 minutes ago, Vort said:

This is only the final farewell tour. The next tour will start up no later than 2021.

Paul and Gene will never speak to each other again after this tour, guarantee it. Their relationship is much more prickly than what is commonly known. 

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8 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Ace and Peter tried to sue because Eric and Tommy were wearing their make-up, but the suit was tossed when Gene pointed out the fact that KISS was a corporate entity (that is, he incorporated the band as a whole) and each person's costumes & make-up patterns were the intellectual property of the corporation as a whole.

That Simmons is a smart guy. I'm not kidding. He was definitely the high-IQ member of the band.

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1 minute ago, Vort said:

That Simmons is a smart guy. I'm not kidding. He was definitely the high-IQ member of the band.

He's probably a genius. He's a sleaze ball, but still probably a genius.  

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11 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Paul and Gene will never speak to each other again after this tour, guarantee it. Their relationship is much more prickly than what is commonly known. 

Simmons is pushing 70, and while he was never the druggie that e.g. Ace Frehley was, I don't think his lifestyle has been conducive to extreme old age.

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Just now, Vort said:

Simmons is pushing 70, and while he was never the druggie that e.g. Ace Frehley was, I don't think his lifestyle has been conducive to extreme old age.

Oh agree 100%. 

In fairness, if you had to hang around with Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons, you'd probably be addicted to drugs too though. 

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6 hours ago, MormonGator said:

I get no pleasure saying this, but Pauls voice is shot. Completely gone. Unless you are a diehard fan like @mirkwood (Seriously, he has two rooms in his house dedicated to Kiss merchandise. What a loser) do NOT go to this concert. 

There, fixed it.

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3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Wow.  I wrote KISS all over my little red folding kid table in like 1978.  Haven't really paid much attention to them since then.  Didn't they do a cameo in a Scooby Doo episode or something?

It was a feature-length direct-to-video movie. 

Just like the *two* feature-length, direct-to-video movies Scooby did with the WWE crowd. 

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4 hours ago, Vort said:

That Simmons is a smart guy. I'm not kidding. He was definitely the high-IQ member of the band.

 

4 hours ago, MormonGator said:

He's probably a genius. He's a sleaze ball, but still probably a genius.  

In "KISS and Make-Up", Gene outright says that his mother would only support his decision to become a musician if he went to college. 

I don't remember what he got his degree in, but it was enough to get him a series of white-collar jobs while the various bands he was in came and went. For example, he worked as a teacher for a year, and was working for a magazine when KISS formed. 

The big thing is that before KISS formed, Gene and Paul were in a band called Wicked Lester. The band actually got a record contract and had just finished recording what would have been their debut album when a mix of internal conflicts and meddling by the label resulted in the group falling apart. 

In the wake of Wicked Lester's collapse, Gene learned some hard lessons. Chief among them was the need to ensure that he left a paper trail. Hence his talking the rest of the band members into incorporating the group and putting as much as possible in the group's name, rather than in the name of any individual member or any label. 

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BTW - as I'm typing this, I'm listening to "The House of Hair with Dee Snider". 

He just started off the final hour of the show with a double play of KISS by request, and started it off with a personal anecdote about Gene Simmons. 

Yeah... Dee doesn't like Gene, and *really* doesn't like Tommy. 

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8 hours ago, mirkwood said:

Seven or eight more.

Paul has foolishly said that Kiss will go on, even after he's dead. I doubt that. 

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13 hours ago, Vort said:

This is only the final farewell tour. The next tour will start up no later than 2021.

13 hours ago, Grunt said:

How many farewell tours are they going to have?

It's kinda like those semi-annual "going out of business" sales.

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