zil2 Posted February 14, 2023 Report Posted February 14, 2023 9 hours ago, CrimsonKairos said: So why I’d be banned I was not suggesting you or @Vort be banned.
LDSGator Posted February 14, 2023 Report Posted February 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said: I suspect older generations feared therapy for much the same reason newer generations look askance at clerical counseling: You’re giving a third party tremendously intimate access to a very personal and vulnerable part of you; and it’s not altogether certain whether the person so privileged is really deserving of the sort of trust they are being given. I think most young people don’t go to priests and bishops for mental health counseling because they (clerics) lack formal mental health training. This isn’t me being snarky, but I’m not asking a plumber to represent me in court for armed robbery. Come to think of it I think that’s the reason a lot of old people are afraid of mental health counseling. They might feel it undermines the authority of the church?
mikbone Posted February 14, 2023 Report Posted February 14, 2023 44 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: Ah man. I was hoping I'd found the magic source that allowed me to justify never getting a colonoscopy! Nope, no magic. Just pure data. Seriously, don’t get one. In the study they didn’t have a single perforation. But I hear about them all the time… And only 15 cases of serious bleeding. Please ignore the complications, and don’t discuss the total waste of $$$. The Folk Prophet 1
The Folk Prophet Posted February 14, 2023 Report Posted February 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, LDSGator said: I think most young people don’t go to priests and bishops for mental health counseling because they (clerics) lack formal mental health training. This isn’t me being snarky, but I’m not asking a plumber to represent me in court for armed robbery. Yeah, I think that's common. And I believe it comes from a fundamental misunderstanding about what I mentioned to @mikbone, that mental health is as much spiritual as it is physical (and maybe more so). That being said...I don't talk to my bishop about my mental health. I talk to him about my spiritual health. A bishop is, indeed, unqualified to be counseling me on my physical brain health. Would someone go to the bishop for a diagnosis and treatment for being physically ill? The idea's ridiculous. And a bishop's response to someone doing that should be, "Go see a doctor." So I think it's interesting. I certainly don't believe anyone who has a physical (chemical or otherwise) issue causing mental health issues should be discussing that with their bishop for medical advice. But I believe they should be discussing it with their bishop as it relates to the spiritual (and, certainly, so the bishop understands them better). That is no different that the fact that I'd tell my bishop if I had cancer. It wouldn't be for medical counsel. But I'd want the ward support and feel the bishop ought to be aware of the trials of his flock. 25 minutes ago, LDSGator said: Come to think of it I think that’s the reason a lot of old people are afraid of mental health counseling. They might feel it undermines the authority of the church? I agree on this too. That being said, I tend to believe that the larger reason people in the church don't like mental health counseling is because they're smart enough to realize that mental health counseling is nothing but snake oil! On a serious note -- what I personally believe (and can only assume others in the church see it likewise): The reason I don't have any interest in mental health counseling is because the gospel of Christ is sufficient. I don't believe my bishop has any specific training on mental health. But the gospel, itself, encompasses all that anyone needs for their mental, emotional, and spiritual well being. That won't cover the physical. If a person needs drugs, they need drugs. The gospel can't provide those drugs. That's the medical side of the matter. The rest...the gospel is sufficient. That's my take. It's not relative to undermining anything. It's just not needful. A waste of time and money -- and potentially harmful when the "wisdom of man" creeps in. But...I have to admit, when I really hold that view up against some of my others it doesn't always stack up. For example, if one were to say the Word of Wisdom is sufficient, hence I need to other diet plan or training... Well I'd consider that foolishness. So my thinking on mental health isn't necessarily consistent... That being said...there are an awful lot of snake oil diet/fitness plans out there too. And I've been snowballed by many of them. When push comes to shove, diet and exercise is simple and takes no elaborate plan beyond discipline and hard work...two principles easily covered by the gospel. So maybe the gospel is sufficient after all? LDSGator 1
LDSGator Posted February 14, 2023 Report Posted February 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: realize that mental health counseling is nothing but snake oil! Speaking of snake oil, I have an essential oil that’ll help with your crippling depression.
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