Is Just_A_Guy really a JAG?

[mordorbund]

What do I mean by this? Well, some of you may recall a tv series about naval "judge advocates" from the office of the "Judge Advocate General". Naturally, this is abbreviated as JAG (perhaps @Ironhold can weigh in on why NCIS seems to have the staying power that JAG hasn't). Our own @Just_A_Guy purports to be a lawyer, but I don't believe I've ever heard him pretend to military service. Additionally, JAG seems to be a nickname others have given him (he seems to have used it himself a few times, but the vast majority comes from others), so it doesn't seem to like he was forming a backronym from the initials. From this I conclude that he wasn't aiming for the title JAG but it seems to be thrust upon him.

So, why do you call him JAG? Is it because he is a lawyer and there was a lawyer show called JAG? Or, and I shudder to think this, is "jag" an slang form of "jack" and his nickname is far ruder and cruder than I previously conceived? Is he the reason the chat* was shut down?

So, why do you call him JAG?

 

 

Really, I started this thread because I got stuck and needed some help. I'm watching closely to fill in more of my grid.

* I mentioned the old chat feature so watch @pam and see if we need to start a new thread about her mental state.

[zil2]

1 hour ago, mordorbund said:

So, why do you call him JAG?

Well, as I recall, that one time I met him (and other ThirdHour folk), he looked exactly like David James Elliott.

 

 

 

 

(Or it might be that JAG is easier to type than Just_A_Guy.)

[pam]

I don't care why we call him JAG. I want to go back to the part where Mordorbund seems to think there is a problem with my mental state.    

[Just_A_Guy]

1.  I just sort of embraced the acronym because it’s shorter (my handle was initially intended as a throwaway because I didn’t think I’d be here long).

2.  @zil2  Ha!

3.  @pam  I expect you to remember my not taking the bait on this one, the next time you’re distributing monthly bonuses to the mod staff.  

[zil2]

1 hour ago, pam said:

I don't care why we call him JAG. I want to go back to the part where Mordorbund seems to think there is a problem with my mental state.    

Twas not @mordorbund who thought that.  You need to re-examine the clues in @Vort's puzzle.

[Vort]

I love it when my predictions come true.

[Ironhold]

14 hours ago, mordorbund said:

What do I mean by this? Well, some of you may recall a tv series about naval "judge advocates" from the office of the "Judge Advocate General". Naturally, this is abbreviated as JAG (perhaps @Ironhold can weigh in on why NCIS seems to have the staying power that JAG hasn't). Our own @Just_A_Guy purports to be a lawyer, but I don't believe I've ever heard him pretend to military service. Additionally, JAG seems to be a nickname others have given him (he seems to have used it himself a few times, but the vast majority comes from others), so it doesn't seem to like he was forming a backronym from the initials. From this I conclude that he wasn't aiming for the title JAG but it seems to be thrust upon him.

So, why do you call him JAG? Is it because he is a lawyer and there was a lawyer show called JAG? Or, and I shudder to think this, is "jag" an slang form of "jack" and his nickname is far ruder and cruder than I previously conceived? Is he the reason the chat* was shut down?

So, why do you call him JAG?

 

 

Really, I started this thread because I got stuck and needed some help. I'm watching closely to fill in more of my grid.

* I mentioned the old chat feature so watch @pam and see if we need to start a new thread about her mental state.

Actually?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAG_(TV_series)

1. JAG had a healthy 10-year run, producing 227 episodes. 

2. The original NCIS series is actually a spin-off of JAG, and so the same story universe is still ongoing. 

That being said, I quit watching JAG after a *very* badly written episode that IMHO never should have made it past the script-writing stage.

edit - "People v. Gunny", season 5, 22 February 2000. 

The gist of it is that one character, Gunny Galendez, is exiting a Chinese restaurant when several drunken patrons of a nearby LGBT establishment decide to get in his face. Gunny tries to ignore them, but one of the men feels slighted by this and so starts throwing punches. Gunny lays him out with a single hit, then realizes that another character, Ensign Tienert, was part of the entourage. A military tribunal determines that Gunny acted in reasonable self-defense, but he gets less than 10 steps outside of the tribunal chambers before civilian police arrest him for the same crime... with a politically-minded prosecutor also tacking on hate crime charges. 

What the writer of that episode apparently failed to realize is that the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) and the military court system is legally equivalent to the civilian court system, and that Gunny's arrest by civilian law enforcement thus represented double jeopardy, an offense of such magnitude that it should have ended the prosecutor's career... and that's before we factor in the fact that even if the police had somehow miraculously been allowed on base without issue they themselves would be looking at charges for false arrest. At no point does any of the cast bring this up despite it being a show about and thus full of lawyers. 

And speaking of ended careers, Tienert's career would have been destroyed as well due to the fact that the episode was written back when "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was still the operational standard; even though he was there because his stepbrother - the guy who threw the punches - was having his birthday party, he shouldn't have known better. 

Yeah, as JAG went on we started getting more and more episodes where the writing was terrible, the writers themselves were ignorant of the actual law, and drama was being allowed to happen for the sake of drama. That's probably why it's not remembered quite as fondly. 

Edited July 13, 2024 by Ironhold

[mordorbund]

1 hour ago, Vort said:

I love it when my predictions come true.

Mine were way off.