Trump (Or any Subject) Derangement Syndrome

[Traveler]

51 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said:

Comey may not be backwater, but he is an idiot. He's also been out of government since 2017, and I think it's safe to say that he probably doesn't have many friends in this administration's Bureau. He's a private citizen, and if private citizens making juvenile, idiotic social media posts is illegal, then Facebook is the world's largest crime scene.

It is not uncommon for a person to wield a great deal of power while posing as a bumbling idiot.  We see this in literature with various heroes like Zorro, Batman and the all-powerful Superman.  A prime element of an evil character is often someone utilizing various methods of plausible deniability of their involvement.  This is not uncommon at all currently as leaders of nations race into war blaming their actions on their enemy justifying those they intend to kill or allow openly to be killed.

 

The Traveler

[Phoenix_person]

2 minutes ago, Traveler said:

It is not uncommon for a person to wield a great deal of power while posing as a bumbling idiot.  We see this in literature with various heroes like Zorro, Batman and the all-powerful Superman.  A prime element of an evil character is often someone utilizing various methods of plausible deniability of their involvement.  This is not uncommon at all currently as leaders of nations race into war blaming their actions on their enemy justifying those they intend to kill or allow openly to be killed.

 

The Traveler

I agree with your general statement. I disagree with the specific insinuation that James Comey, a man deeply despised on both sides of the political aisle, has been anything other than a bumbling idiot for the last 7 years.

[Traveler]

16 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said:

Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. 

Grounds for legal action? No.

I am not sure this is correct.  We live in a very litigious society.  Some consider using literal pronouns a crime

 

The Traveler

[Traveler]

12 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said:

I agree with your general statement. I disagree with the specific insinuation that James Comey, a man deeply despised on both sides of the political aisle, has been anything other than a bumbling idiot for the last 7 years.

Some would think the same of Hitler.  By himself he accomplished little.  The primary problem was from those that agreed enough (and in league) to do something about what he was saying.  If enough of those of left leaning in our politics, that hold positions of power wanted to do something about his bumbling “mistakes” - he would not be living in luxury or getting any attention.

 

The Traveler

Edited yesterday at 06:44 PM by Traveler

[Phoenix_person]

9 minutes ago, Traveler said:

I am not sure this is correct.  We live in a very litigious society.  Some consider using literal pronouns a crime

 

The Traveler

Then it's a good thing our laws are enforced by courts and not outraged citizens on the internet. Just because I get sued or charged for something doesn't mean I committed a crime.

[Phoenix_person]

3 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Some would think the same of Hitler.  By himself he accomplished little.  The primary problem was from those that agreed enough (and in league) to do something about what he was saying.  If enough of those of left leaning in our politics, that hold positions of power wanted to do something about his bumbling “mistakes” - he would not be living in luxury or getting any attention.

 

The Traveler

1. Godwin!

2. Believe me, there's far worse anti-Trump content out there than numbers on a beach. You're reaching.

[Ironhold]

1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said:

Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. 

Grounds for legal action? No.

Point of note - 

Circa 2005, one of the "shock jock" types that Air America Radio had as a host did a skit in which she played gunfire sound effects on top of a recording of Dubya speaking. Cue the Secret Service paying her a visit. 

So the historical threshold for Secret Service involvement actually is quite low. 

[LDSGator]

37 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Point of note - 

Circa 2005, one of the "shock jock" types that Air America Radio had as a host did a skit in which she played gunfire sound effects on top of a recording of Dubya speaking. Cue the Secret Service paying her a visit. 

So the historical threshold for Secret Service involvement actually is quite low. 

W was despised as much as Trump is, but our short memories struggle with that. Bush was too nice a guy to push back (metaphorically) while Trump is so thin skinned that he’ll punch back to everything. 
 

I think that’s a big reason why MAGA likes him. Trump fulfills their dark fantasies by being as a nasty as possible to those who disagree with him. It’s a little troubling, actually. 

Edited yesterday at 08:09 PM by LDSGator

[LDSGator]

2 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. 

Grounds for legal action? No.

As a comedian, her biggest “crime” was that it wasn’t funny. A good comedian can get political points across while being funny. 

[NeuroTypical]

Since we're all reminiscing about history:

I remember when Pres. Obama was elected, and there was a nationwide two year long run on ammunition.  I never really figured out why though.   I heard that law enforcement was stocking up and that was the reason.  Plenty of folks on the left were claiming it was me and mine who were arming up to overthrow the govt because a black person was in charge and we supposedly just couldn't handle it.  I thought that was odd.  I was a member of all sorts of 2A and gulcher and patriot/survivalist forums back then, but nobody was talking about assassinating the president.  There was plenty of talk (like there always is in those circles) about how the nation was about to fall and it was time to get your preps in place, so you can defend your family when everything collapses.  But zero talk about Obama.  The folks passionate enough to hate, all hated Hillary and Bill.

There are always fringey dangerous people out there, in every demographic, on all sides.  But the left has always been more willing to do violence in the name of politics, and it has been getting worse for a decade.

 

The ascension of social media saw popularization of the term "unalive" as a way to get around filters and flagging law enforcement.  I got told to unalive myself on at least two occasions that I can remember, back when arguing on facebook was a thing.

Goofy nonserious CHAZ/CHOP uprising/occupation eventually ended after folks started getting killed, as the natural progression of progressive anarchy reached it's logical conclusion and they started killing each other.   BLM and Antifa ramped up the violence from the left to a nationwide phenomenon, causing billions (maybe a trillion?) in damage.  

When Roe v. Wade got overturned, I noticed an uptick in random folks on the left talking violence.  Twitter was notorious for censoring right speech and letting left speech fly at the time: 

Then at least two folks tried to assassinate Trump.  Can't really peg 'em as leftists, although both of them did donate to ActBlue at one point in their lives.

Then the UHC CEO got offed.  It wasn't by a right winger. 

@Phoenix_person has been coming here ever since the election sharing stories about how he's seeing his progressive left circles getting a bit more armed up.  Every month, I get a tad more nervous living in Colorado.  Our long term planning now has us bailing on this state before it turns into Portland.  

Edited yesterday at 09:51 PM by NeuroTypical

[Carborendum]

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I remember when Pres. Obama was elected, and there was a nationwide two year long run on ammunition.  I never really figured out why though. 

Really?  I lived in Colorado at the time, about an hour away from where you are now.  Most of us in rural CO had a pretty good idea.

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

 Plenty of folks on the left were claiming it was me and mine who were arming up to overthrow the govt because a black person was in charge and we supposedly just couldn't handle it.  I thought that was odd. 

Well, they were wrong.  It wasn't the right wanting to overthrow the government.  It was Obama's rhetoric that he was going to tax (I use the term loosely) all our guns into oblivion.  So, we had to stock up before they get too expensive.  

He said it.  We believed him.  Thankfully, he didn't really do much on that front.  But do you blame us for believing him when he said it?

We were told that his 2A agenda wouldn't affect any law-abiding citizen from owning a gun.  Our response:"So, you're saying that if we like our guns, we can keep our guns?  Why do I not believe you?"

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I was a member of all sorts of 2A and gulcher and patriot/survivalist forums back then, but nobody was talking about assassinating the president.  There was plenty of talk (like there always is in those circles) about how the nation was about to fall and it was time to get your preps in place, so you can defend your family when everything collapses.  But zero talk about Obama.  The folks passionate enough to hate, all hated Hillary and Bill.

I was a gulcher.  And I think you got it wrong.  We were constantly talking about Obama.  I don't really recall many of us talking about Bill and Hillary.  Why?  They were ancient history.  No chance Hillary would get elected.  (That was the sentiment).

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

There are always fringey dangerous people out there, in every demographic, on all sides.  But the left has always been more willing to do violence in the name of politics, and it has been getting worse for a decade.

Indeed...Tesla, anyone?

[mirkwood]

20 hours ago, Phoenix_person said:

Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. 

Grounds for legal action? No.

 

You were throwing turds, just admit it.

[NeuroTypical]

18 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

the left has always been more willing to do violence in the name of politics, and it has been getting worse for a decade.

Yeesh.   In the hours since I made that post: 

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/israeli-embassy-washington-dc-shooting-05-21-25

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/two-israeli-embassy-staffers-killed-in-shooting-near-jewish-museum-in-washington-3154646f?mod=hp_lead_pos7

This guy left behind a manifesto claiming 'armed demonstration' is now justified to oppose Israel because of their actions in Gaza.   He dehumanizes his target, stating "Those of us against the genocide take satisfaction in arguing that the perpetrators and abettors have forfeited their humanity. I sympathize with this viewpoint and understand its value in soothing the psyche"  It's much easier to kill people if you don't believe they're people.  

 

His target were these young folks, engaged to be married. 

Dude claims a moral high ground here, defending killing by saying "A perpetrator may then be a loving parent, a filial child, a generous and charitable friend, an amiable stranger, capable of moral strength at times when it suits him and sometimes even when it does not, and yet be a monster all the same."

Dude is calling everyone against Israel's actions in Gaza to rise up and do similar things.   I guess we'll see if BP's voiced concerns get realized and we see more news stories.

Edited 6 hours ago by NeuroTypical

[LDSGator]

17 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yeesh.   In the hours since I made that post: 

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/israeli-embassy-washington-dc-shooting-05-21-25

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/two-israeli-embassy-staffers-killed-in-shooting-near-jewish-museum-in-washington-3154646f?mod=hp_lead_pos7

This guy left behind a manifesto claiming 'armed demonstration' is now justified to oppose Israel because of their actions in Gaza.   He dehumanizes his target, stating "Those of us against the genocide take satisfaction in arguing that the perpetrators and abettors have forfeited their humanity. I sympathize with this viewpoint and understand its value in soothing the psyche"  It's much easier to kill people if you don't believe they're people.  

 

His target were these young folks, engaged to be married. 

Dude claims a moral high ground here, defending killing by saying "A perpetrator may then be a loving parent, a filial child, a generous and charitable friend, an amiable stranger, capable of moral strength at times when it suits him and sometimes even when it does not, and yet be a monster all the same."

Dude is calling everyone against Israel's actions in Gaza to rise up and do similar things.   I guess we'll see if BP's voiced concerns get realized and we see more news stories.

I’m against the death penalty. But if the animal who shot these innocent people was hanged in the morning I would not cry about it.

[LDSGator]

https://nypost.com/2025/05/22/us-news/elias-rodriguez-talked-down-about-iraq-war-vet-dad-raised-money-to-attend-leftist-conference/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
 

and your side @Phoenix_person has to accept that this guy was “one of our own”. Bitter medicine.