Do Satanists Infilltrate The Church?

[WANDERER]

What is a satanist going to do in a church: be surrounded by people praying, singing hymns, reading scriptures, doing nice stuff for each other...

That's really awful. We should ALL do something about that ; ) .

[tiancum]

What is a satanist going to do in a church: be surrounded by people praying, singing hymns, reading scriptures, doing nice stuff for each other...

That's really awful. We should ALL do something about that ; ) .

Lol no kidding...why in the world would a wolf want to be in the midst of the sheep? Perhaps well never know ; )

[Moksha]

Turned over to the 'Buffets of Satan'.

I like it when the chefs wear those white outfits with the puffy hats. Those guys make a pretty mean shrimp scampi.

[Snow]

Is It Possible That Satanists Can Infiltrate The Church Without Your Knowlage.

Is It Possible That They May End up In The 70 Or Even in The Apastolic. Because Judas Was An Appostle.

Please tell us about your experience with real satanists.

Then, could you say a word or two about your experience with a spell checker?

[a-train]

I hate to even think about it, but my best childhood friend was the son of temple-going descendents of Mormon pioneers on both sides. His father was a return missionary and there are GAs in their lineage. He had many siblings and was subjected to ritual abuse. His father was ultimately excommunicated twice (he cannot be rebaptized) and now lives under strong legal contstraints as a sex-offender.

The abuse is believed by that family to have gone back for generations. Where it began, who all has been involved is unknown.

I cannot stress enough the gravity of the actions we are talking about here. Temple symbols and actions were recreated during sexually abusive rituals which are designed to bring about dissociative disorders which the abusers believe enable them to control their victims. Much of the whole process was done to cause children to perform sexual deeds. It is mostly unspeakable in its horrific nature.

This is not a joke, this is not a hallucination, it is awful, tragic, and disgusting, but very real. One of the daughters of this family had a hysterectomy after having only one child because of issues linked to her childhood abuse. All of the children have undergone mental treatment, about half of which was inpatient.

This is very rare, but very real. As word of the whole mess unravelled and one of the most bitter of divorces proceeded, many friends doubted the claims of the victims. Even ward Church leaders were among the doubtful. The good looking, temple going, return missionary, high-paid professional, life-long mormon, and community figure that was implicated was more believed by the public than his victims: his wife and children.

While his wife was not abused in the same way as were the children, the whole matter came undone when she contracted a minor sexually transmitted disease. Healthcare professionals assured her that either she had been sexually active with someone outside the marriage or her husband had been. He ultimately confessed to having relations with a prostitute.

The brethren of the Church are aware of this and have taken strong action against it, but like all other forms of domestic abuse, it can be very difficult to ascertain and almost impossible sometimes to prove.

The perpetrators often can get away with their deeds because the credibility of the victims is generally harmed by the resulting mental disorders. Most of us may never face a mess like this, and I hope I never know anyone else who does, but if something like this shows up around us, we must be extremely careful how we handle it. Things this complicated and messy can be beyond the capacity of a local bishop.

Now, this man was not a satanist that one day decided: 'I guess I'll infiltrate the Mormons.' He was born into the Church. But somewhere along the way, Satan got a strong hold on this man. I can think of few things more satanic than the ritual sexual abuse of children.

-a-train

[spirettedotter]

We are told the Prophet cannot ever lead us astray. But church leaders, as in bishops, & stake leaders, etc, are also just mortal men, & are subject to making mistakes & hopefully always learning. We all hope that they will serve according to inspiration from the Spirit, & we may have a lot of faith in them as we support them in their callings, but the church leadership does need a lot more education in the issues of abuse & how they deal with abuse issues. In the last days, I believe it is part of prophecy that many of the elect will be deceived (the church is currently experiencing branching into all kinds of off-shoots from the true Church). This does include evil groups such as Satanists, who do definately use our Church, as well as other organizations, as a cover for their evil practices.

[spirettedotter]

To answer the original topic posted by Gaea, YES, Satanists CAN most definitely infiltrate the Church, & unfortunately they are trying to, of course deceitfully without us knowing or seeing it.

They are among us. Not at the very top leading the first presidency of the Church at this time, thank God, else the Church would not be functioning with good works. And we are promised that the PROPHET will never lead us astray, so we can rely on that. But our own history in the scriptures show that corruption can certainly take over a whole people including the Church, & cause excessive wickedness in the people, enough to have caused Heavenly Father to want to annihilate whole groups of His children. We all have free agency to choose whom to serve & worship. Satan’s influence is very cunning and powerful, and has consumed many people throughout history into the present day. The closer we get to the Millennium, the more danger we, as a people, are in. Education and awareness is our best defense. I am not suggesting we live our lives in paranoia, but this topic is a very serious one that does need to be discussed.

Satanic ritual abuse is a very REAL and horrible religious practice, and it exists here in our church as well as the Catholic church, and every other large organized religion. Our government is completely infiltrated and corrupt with Satanic cults, such as the Illuminati, and they do have power and influence in how our country is operating. Many of the comments on this thread have taken this topic lightly, but let me tell you that when it is YOUR loved ones being traumatized and damaged, it is a very heavy reality. The Church needs more awareness and education in how to deal with this very real issue. Unfortunately, most of us don't want to hear the ugly truths about it. Unless, and until, it touches our lives directly.

Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) is not as uncommon as you might think. Thousands of SRA survivors throughout the world are telling their stories now, but more do not tell. They are not very often exposed at all, as the perpetrators are not caught and they do not admit it, so there is little chance of proving their evils in a court of law. That is the nature of SRA, to remain covert so it can exist as it has for thousands of years throughout history, as in the SECRET combinations of old. They ARE still being practiced.

The simple definition of satanic ritual abuse is “severe systematic and repetitive criminal physical, emotional, psychological, sexual, and spiritual abuse of victims including brainwashing, sophisticated programming, torture, pornography, drug trafficking, animal and human sacrifice, and inflicting pain and guilt for power and control.” It is usually generational within families, and involves the worship of satan. Religious rituals are done in secret, usually at night, when everything taught in the light of day is inversed; Christian teachings become twisted and inverted into anti-Christian beliefs professing the power of the devil. This is not about atheism, anti-Christians, or even dabblers in witchcraft or sorcery, nor is it the kind of cult that teens join to be rebellious. This is about a very powerful movement that is underground and evil, and REAL, and it is comprised of many powerful high status figures. See ( Mr. Light & Associates, Inc. ) if interested in more information. The site is by a member of the Church who advocates for survivors of SRA.

Is anyone here familiar with the Glen L Pace Memo ( Issue 80 - Salt Lake City Messenger ) ? In this memo, Pace, who is a member of the seventies, talks about interviewing (now hundreds of) LDS members who have suffered SRA within the church.

It is so difficult to uncover and battle SRA because most victims are unable to talk about it, so it remains unknown. The nature of the abuse is that it is designed to be kept secret. It is successfully kept covert because the acts of abuse are so unbelievable, the victims themselves are in denial, no one thinks the disclosures could have credibility, because of threats and fear of disobedience, and because the abuse is blocked from the victims’ daytime memory. The trauma involved is so extreme that the abuse causes the brain to dissociate and repress the memories, even to the point of splitting the personality into successful daytime personalities that are not aware of what they participate in, and strong night time personalities that can handle the abuse without experiencing the full extent of feelings. People are conditioned from childhood, not only to survive these atrocities, but to mainstream in society without notice. You can't tell by looking at them who they are.

To answer the issue of why Satanist would want to infiltrate our Church: that is their very way of existing. The adversary has always tried to overpower us: the age old concept of good vs. evil. Of course they would attack the true Church. They need our church, as well as other large churches organizations, to gain power, control, and prestige, and to hide their practices under an umbrella of good appearance. They have been known to use our church buildings, and possibly even our temples at night. They train their members from childhood to grow up & infiltrate society into positions of the medical field, legal field, social work, and politics so that they can be useful to their leaders. Why wouldn’t they work hard to appear worthy and to try to use positions in our Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS? I know first hand that there are Satanists in our Church who participate with us on Sundays, get temple recommends, and marry in the Temple. Sorry to say it, but it is the ugly truth.

[Elphaba]

I know first hand that there are Satanists in our Church who participate with us on Sundays, get temple recommends, and marry in the Temple.

You've made quite a lot of accusations, including a very complicated infiltration amongst some of the higher echelons of the Church and in the US government.

How do you know first-hand there are Satanists in the Church who do the things you mentioned?

Elphaba

[Andrew777]

There are thousands of victims of recovered memory syndrome, where satanic theraptists have targeted women to have memories that never existed, hundreds of these therapists have been sued by their victims. Their patients & the families of the patients, have suffered unbearable pain and accusations because of these people, they usually target the father in the family. This type of thing makes it harder for real victims of abuse to come forward, and for real therapists to offer help.

[tiancum]

you are right ATRAIN, I dedicated myself for years doing therapy for these people. Not recovering memories, but dealing with very real hurt. And healing.......

There are thousands of victims of recovered memory syndrome, where satanic therapists have targeted women to have memories that never existed, hundreds of these therapists have been sued by their victims. Their patients & the families of the patients, have suffered unbearable pain and accusations because of these people, they usually target the father in the family.

There are also thousands of real victims. There are of course some false accusations. Interesting you call the therapists satanic. Are you suggesting that they worship Satan?

[Andrew777]

I'm suggesting ruining people's lives for money in such a disgusting manner is satanic. There's a number of books written out there about these people and the pain and horror they caused their victims.

[tiancum]

both extremes are tragic aren't they?

[Still_Small_Voice]

I don't doubt much of what Spirettedotter has stated in post 57 is true. Secret combinations are an abomination continually warned against in the Book of Mormon. Those who worship power and or sensuality will use whatever means they need to gain what they want. These people are wolves dressed as sheep among us.

One evil man (or woman) can do much damage especially if they are quite intelligent. We do know that 25 percent of all women will be sexually assaulted at some point in their life.

The best protection you or your loved ones can have is the influence of Holy Spirit with you.

[Andrew777]

That 25% figure isn't the full truth either, men aren't these horrible beasts that the media makes us out to be, there are a very small percentage of men who are violent psychopaths and sex abusers.

[Snow]

To answer the original topic posted by Gaea, YES, Satanists CAN most definitely infiltrate the Church, & unfortunately they are trying to, of course deceitfully without us knowing or seeing it.

They are among us. Not at the very top leading the first presidency of the Church at this time, thank God, else the Church would not be functioning with good works. And we are promised that the PROPHET will never lead us astray, so we can rely on that. But our own history in the scriptures show that corruption can certainly take over a whole people including the Church, & cause excessive wickedness in the people, enough to have caused Heavenly Father to want to annihilate whole groups of His children. We all have free agency to choose whom to serve & worship. Satan’s influence is very cunning and powerful, and has consumed many people throughout history into the present day. The closer we get to the Millennium, the more danger we, as a people, are in. Education and awareness is our best defense. I am not suggesting we live our lives in paranoia, but this topic is a very serious one that does need to be discussed.

Satanic ritual abuse is a very REAL and horrible religious practice, and it exists here in our church as well as the Catholic church, and every other large organized religion. Our government is completely infiltrated and corrupt with Satanic cults, such as the Illuminati, and they do have power and influence in how our country is operating. Many of the comments on this thread have taken this topic lightly, but let me tell you that when it is YOUR loved ones being traumatized and damaged, it is a very heavy reality. The Church needs more awareness and education in how to deal with this very real issue. Unfortunately, most of us don't want to hear the ugly truths about it. Unless, and until, it touches our lives directly.

Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) is not as uncommon as you might think. Thousands of SRA survivors throughout the world are telling their stories now, but more do not tell. They are not very often exposed at all, as the perpetrators are not caught and they do not admit it, so there is little chance of proving their evils in a court of law. That is the nature of SRA, to remain covert so it can exist as it has for thousands of years throughout history, as in the SECRET combinations of old. They ARE still being practiced.

The simple definition of satanic ritual abuse is “severe systematic and repetitive criminal physical, emotional, psychological, sexual, and spiritual abuse of victims including brainwashing, sophisticated programming, torture, pornography, drug trafficking, animal and human sacrifice, and inflicting pain and guilt for power and control.” It is usually generational within families, and involves the worship of satan. Religious rituals are done in secret, usually at night, when everything taught in the light of day is inversed; Christian teachings become twisted and inverted into anti-Christian beliefs professing the power of the devil. This is not about atheism, anti-Christians, or even dabblers in witchcraft or sorcery, nor is it the kind of cult that teens join to be rebellious. This is about a very powerful movement that is underground and evil, and REAL, and it is comprised of many powerful high status figures. See ( Mr. Light & Associates, Inc. ) if interested in more information. The site is by a member of the Church who advocates for survivors of SRA.

Is anyone here familiar with the Glen L Pace Memo ( Issue 80 - Salt Lake City Messenger ) ? In this memo, Pace, who is a member of the seventies, talks about interviewing (now hundreds of) LDS members who have suffered SRA within the church.

It is so difficult to uncover and battle SRA because most victims are unable to talk about it, so it remains unknown. The nature of the abuse is that it is designed to be kept secret. It is successfully kept covert because the acts of abuse are so unbelievable, the victims themselves are in denial, no one thinks the disclosures could have credibility, because of threats and fear of disobedience, and because the abuse is blocked from the victims’ daytime memory. The trauma involved is so extreme that the abuse causes the brain to dissociate and repress the memories, even to the point of splitting the personality into successful daytime personalities that are not aware of what they participate in, and strong night time personalities that can handle the abuse without experiencing the full extent of feelings. People are conditioned from childhood, not only to survive these atrocities, but to mainstream in society without notice. You can't tell by looking at them who they are.

To answer the issue of why Satanist would want to infiltrate our Church: that is their very way of existing. The adversary has always tried to overpower us: the age old concept of good vs. evil. Of course they would attack the true Church. They need our church, as well as other large churches organizations, to gain power, control, and prestige, and to hide their practices under an umbrella of good appearance. They have been known to use our church buildings, and possibly even our temples at night. They train their members from childhood to grow up & infiltrate society into positions of the medical field, legal field, social work, and politics so that they can be useful to their leaders. Why wouldn’t they work hard to appear worthy and to try to use positions in our Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS? I know first hand that there are Satanists in our Church who participate with us on Sundays, get temple recommends, and marry in the Temple. Sorry to say it, but it is the ugly truth.

Oh gee, give us a break. Next thing you know aliens are going to kidnaps us out of our hay fields and perform secret dental work on us and erase our memories.

Though Elder Pace was exercising due diligence in tracking down (what turned out to be bogus) reports, it turns out that it wasn't true.

"In 1991, the Utah State Legislature appropriated $250,000 for the Attorney General's office to investigate the allegations.[8] The investigators interviewed hundreds of alleged victims, but they were unable "to substantiate with physical evidence the incidents reported." The 1995 report added that the specific accusations against church leaders were "absurd", and the head of psychiatry at LDS Hospital in Salt Lake City said he "has never been able to independently verify memories of satanic ritual abuse"."

[see, e.g., Kagy, L. (1986). "Ritualised Abuse of Children." ReCap: From the Child Assault Prevention Project (Winter); Hechler, D. (1988). The Battle and the Backlash: The Child Sexual Abuse War. Lexington, Massachusetts: Lexington Books; Cozolino, L. J. (1989). "The Ritual Abuse of Children: Implications for Clinical Research." "Satanism Probe Comes Up Empty," Salt Lake Tribune, 1995-02-28, D3, "Report Finds Little Proof of Ritual Abuse", Deseret News, 1995-04-25, p. B2.]

The only thing the Church said following the Pace memo was:

"I caution you not to participate in ... improper therapeutic practices that may cause you more harm than good. ... Detailed leading questions that probe your past may unwittingly trigger thoughts that are more imagination or fantasy than reality. They could lead to condemnation of another for acts that were not committed. While likely few in number, I know of cases where such therapy has caused great injustice to the innocent from unwittingly stimulated accusations that were later proven false. Memory, particularly adult memory of childhood experiences, is fallible. Remember, false accusation is also a sin."

[Richard G. Scott, “Healing the Tragic Scars of Abuse,” Ensign, May 1992, 31.]

Get a grip on reality folks.

Lions and tigers and satanist, oh my.

[Snow]

I don't doubt much of what Spirettedotter has stated in post 57 is true. Secret combinations are an abomination continually warned against in the Book of Mormon. Those who worship power and or sensuality will use whatever means they need to gain what they want. These people are wolves dressed as sheep among us.

One evil man (or woman) can do much damage especially if they are quite intelligent. We do know that 25 percent of all women will be sexually assaulted at some point in their life.

The best protection you or your loved ones can have is the influence of Holy Spirit with you.

I sure that you would believe it just because. You must have some pretty serious evidence before founding such an extreme belief. Please share with us the evidence you have our Church and our government are infiltrated with satanic cult.

I'll wait.

[spirettedotter]

I know about this first hand, because I married a Satanist in the temple. My life & my children's lives will never be the same because of the trauma we've suffered. I've since met many survivors who's stories of SRA are similar to things my youngest child reported. The symptoms from these kinds of experiences take a life time to heal.

[Snow]

spirettedotter,

I am sorry to hear of your troubles. Unless you spouse was convicted and there is public proof of her satan worshipping and you want to give us her name, I am not interested. What I am interested in is you and still_small_voice (who believes it too) providing some proof of your extreme accusations.

Please give us the names of 10 satanists that have currently infiltrated the Church and 10 satanists have currently infiltrated the government. I am sure you wouldn't make wild and false accusations so please, give us the names.

[spirettedotter]

Of course it is more comfortable to believe what "they" want you to believe when they cover up the truth and claim that all the survivors' stories are bogus. But whoever "they" are, whatever position they hold or influence they have, either they don't want to know the truth because they can't handle it and it will shake their faith, or they know the truth and don't want us to know.

Either way, I can say with surety that SRA happens and is very real. As I said it is difficult to prove because of the secrecy and the extent of cover up. I know what I know, Heavenly Father knows the hearts and actions of His children, and just because others don't care to believe the truth, doesn't change what is real. I guess I'm wasting my time here.

[spirettedotter]

One final word I will add is that I believe education and spiritual warfare is our best defense against SRA and corruption. I know that the power of God is stronger than evil, and there are more good Christians in the world than there are bad guys. So if we can just stop arguing about whose experiences you want to believe are real and whose you don't choose to believe, and just care enough about all of Heavenly Father's children and pray together for knowledge of the truth and protection of the children, maybe it would help to even out the evil works being done.

[tiancum]

That 25% figure isn't the full truth either, men aren't these horrible beasts that the media makes us out to be, there are a very small percentage of men who are violent psychopaths and sex abusers.

Yes, the majority of us are pretty dang good. But those few hurt MANY. It is estimated that one can hurt hundreds in his lifetime. There was a poll taken at the high school I work at, anon. Those who have been abused/abused sexually. The actual numbers were a little higher. Of course, that includes date rape, etc. by boyfriends, Slipping rufis into drinks at parties, and then having their way with the girl after she is passed out. Just last week one of my female students told me about how it happened to her (why she had missed school).

[Snow]

To answer the original topic posted by Gaea, YES, Satanists CAN most definitely infiltrate the Church, & unfortunately they are trying to, of course deceitfully without us knowing or seeing it.

They are among us. Not at the very top leading the first presidency of the Church at this time, thank God, else the Church would not be functioning with good works. And we are promised that the PROPHET will never lead us astray, so we can rely on that. But our own history in the scriptures show that corruption can certainly take over a whole people including the Church, & cause excessive wickedness in the people, enough to have caused Heavenly Father to want to annihilate whole groups of His children. We all have free agency to choose whom to serve & worship. Satan’s influence is very cunning and powerful, and has consumed many people throughout history into the present day. The closer we get to the Millennium, the more danger we, as a people, are in. Education and awareness is our best defense. I am not suggesting we live our lives in paranoia, but this topic is a very serious one that does need to be discussed.

Satanic ritual abuse is a very REAL and horrible religious practice, and it exists here in our church as well as the Catholic church, and every other large organized religion. Our government is completely infiltrated and corrupt with Satanic cults, such as the Illuminati, and they do have power and influence in how our country is operating.

Again - these are extreme accusations. Please name 10 satanists that have currently infiltrated the Church and 10 satanists that have currently infiltrated the government.

[Hemidakota]

Being in the temple? Not going to happen.

[a-train]

I will not name the person I know of, but I can certainly tell you that the man that was the offender in the case(s) I spoke of earlier was convicted in court on three seperate occasions spanning over more than a decade and was excommunicated from the church twice.

I do not believe that a clandestine cooperative of men has set out to infiltrate the Church or the government while secretly rallying around a common feeling to exalt Satan. Those under the influence of Satan, who do his bidding and his service, are always motivated by self-aggrandizing aspirations, not some true devotion to the devil.

Cain's motives and his compact with Satan were on that basis: 'And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die; and swear thy brethren by their heads, and by the living God, that they tell it not; for if they tell it, they shall surely die; and this that thy father may not know it; and this day I will deliver thy brother Abel into thine hands. And Satan sware unto Cain that he would do according to his commands. And all these things were done in secret. And Cain said: Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret, that I may murder and get gain. Wherefore Cain was called Master Mahan, and he gloried in his wickedness.' (Moses 5:29-31)

Notice it was personal gain and Satan's obedience that Cain sought, not the other way around. Because Satan's kingdom is set up on that basis and in that manner, it shall not stand as in all kingdoms divided against themselves. (Mark 3:24)

However, looking beyond the combinations on this side of the viel, we all know that ALL evil and ALL unrighteousness is the service of Satan. Looking through the broader lens of revealed eternal perspective, there are but two Churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil. The membership cards in these two organizations are held in the hearts, minds, and hands of the members. All sins are devil worship.

1 John 3:10: 'In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.'

-a-train

[Hemidakota]

Ok, now I see what you are saying. Yes, I do know there some that disguise themselves as sheep, which resides in our presence. . Even among our lesser leadership but the ones I do mentioned are moreover of the caliber of arrogance and class distinction. This is a problem. Actually, pride and class distinction brought the down fall of BOM society and perhaps those in the latter portion of the millennium. Evil is evil and can be had by those who have the power of discernment.

The end the two churches you spoke of is the WORLD [babylon] versus the ZION [Church of Jesus Christ and those who will stand with her].

Now, this doesn’t stop anyone from being in a leadership position and turning from GOD [fallen], as did a few GA’s in the past. Now, what I can say, Lucifer will try to remove them by other means via their own weakness if unchecked, as he will with the last Pope by faking an accident.

Who is the Master Mayhem? It is not Lucifer; the one who holds the priesthood of GOD and turns there from.