MarginOfError

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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in New Handbook   
    Observations in bold below
    Also of note, "Apostasy" is no longer listed under conditions that require a disciplinary council. Instead, it is listed under "When the Stake President Counsels with the Area Presidency about Whether a Membership Council or Other Action Is Necessary." That's probably a good change, overall, as actions against apostasy will be more consistent and protected against "leadership roulette."
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from CV75 in Official Church stance on origin of homosexuality?   
    From the Handbook released today.
     
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Official Church stance on origin of homosexuality?   
    From the Handbook released today.
     
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Official Church stance on origin of homosexuality?   
    From the Handbook released today.
     
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from MrShorty in New Handbook   
    That statement needs a huge revision. Something along the lines of "how can you sustain and follow a modern prophet and yet disagree with what he says on a handful of specific topics"
    And the answer is pretty simple. I'm not required to agree with everything in order to sustain.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from MrShorty in New Handbook   
    Well, sorta kinda. I never met anyone worth taking seriously that didn't think the intent behind gender was anything other than sex. 
    Quite frankly, the policies regarding tramsgenderism laid out in this version of the handbook are everything a liberal member of the Church could ask for so long as the restriction of male priesthood remains in place. These policies leave open a lot of questions about the nature and eternal ramifications of transgenderism simply by recognizing euphoria and refusing to take a stance on its origin.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from MrShorty in New Handbook   
    Likewise, I'm trying to make the point to other readers that there are active, faithful members of the Church who disagree with policy issues in the Church. And that they retain good standing in the Church and even hold positions of prominence.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from MrShorty in New Handbook   
    I'll accept your premise if you can show to me that no latter day prophet has ever made a statement based on their own thoughts, opinions, or beliefs that was later reversed.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from MrShorty in New Handbook   
    Because you're you and I'm me, I have to argue with you about this.
    Well, not really.  I just think it's silly.  I don't particularly care for things like this, and I have even less interest in enforcing them. 
    I had a whole bunch more written here...but I deleted it...I'll boil it down to this:
    I think you guys are nuts. But I still consider it a good thing that not everyone thinks like me. And it's a good thing not everyone things like you.  If we combined all our different forms of lunacy, it kind of averages out to, well, lunacy. So there's that.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Jane_Doe in Official Church stance on origin of homosexuality?   
    From the Handbook released today.
     
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from JohnsonJones in New Handbook   
    And they allow you to put your preferred name on your membership record, and permit the use of preferred pronouns, and do not make any explicit restriction against attending the classes associated with gender identity.
    Seriously, the policies released today are about as liberal as you can get and still be internally consistent.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from JohnsonJones in New Handbook   
    Well, sorta kinda. I never met anyone worth taking seriously that didn't think the intent behind gender was anything other than sex. 
    Quite frankly, the policies regarding tramsgenderism laid out in this version of the handbook are everything a liberal member of the Church could ask for so long as the restriction of male priesthood remains in place. These policies leave open a lot of questions about the nature and eternal ramifications of transgenderism simply by recognizing euphoria and refusing to take a stance on its origin.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from omegaseamaster75 in New Handbook   
    That statement needs a huge revision. Something along the lines of "how can you sustain and follow a modern prophet and yet disagree with what he says on a handful of specific topics"
    And the answer is pretty simple. I'm not required to agree with everything in order to sustain.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in New Handbook   
    That likely would have been my response too.  I'm not keen on arguing with 11 year olds who are making a good faith effort. I'm an arrogant jerk, not a heartless jerk.
    Sure, things may have been restored with awareness of cultural baggage.  I just dispute that taking the sacrament with the right hand was ever "restored" in the same way that the ordinance itself was.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Vort in Official Church stance on origin of homosexuality?   
    From the Handbook released today.
     
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in New Handbook   
    I've tried to die on a lot of hills. Some have been even smaller than this one.  
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Gospel Living App has its US release   
    The app has been released in other areas of the world, but just had its largest release yet in the US.
    My review
    Positives
    It is, by far, the most useful app released by the Church solely for its communication potential. A simple app that most devices can download, works on WiFi only, and automatically links almost everyone in a sensible manner makes for effective communication without having to manage email lists and phone numbers separately.
    This could, with a few improvements, replace any communication through third party avenues.
    Also, parents have full visibility of any circles to which their children or youth are added. All circles are administered by multiple adults. This design makes it easy to communicate with youth in a manner consistent with youth protection guidelines.
     
     
    Negatives
    The app defines 'parents' as the adults living in the household. That family we have where the parents have joint and equal custody, but only one parent has the church records--one parent is invisible to this app and is cut off from communication. This may actually be a fatal flaw for my ward, and prevent us from adopting it. When it permits the ability to add other members, we may find this more agreeable
    At present, you can not modify circles
    Notifications are kind of wonky. 
    It is not available for Amazon devices yet
    Only youth organizations are served so far. I expect, in time, EQ, RS, and ward adults will receive circles.
    The calendar is not tied to the ward calendar. This cannot be used in place of the ward calendar (The ward calendar supports building scheduling, the app calendar does not). 
     
    Even though I've listed more negatives than positives, I do think that for most units, rapid and pervasive adoption of this app will be a good thing. It's potential to simplify communication is enormous. Download it today!
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from NeedleinA in Gospel Living App has its US release   
    The app has been released in other areas of the world, but just had its largest release yet in the US.
    My review
    Positives
    It is, by far, the most useful app released by the Church solely for its communication potential. A simple app that most devices can download, works on WiFi only, and automatically links almost everyone in a sensible manner makes for effective communication without having to manage email lists and phone numbers separately.
    This could, with a few improvements, replace any communication through third party avenues.
    Also, parents have full visibility of any circles to which their children or youth are added. All circles are administered by multiple adults. This design makes it easy to communicate with youth in a manner consistent with youth protection guidelines.
     
     
    Negatives
    The app defines 'parents' as the adults living in the household. That family we have where the parents have joint and equal custody, but only one parent has the church records--one parent is invisible to this app and is cut off from communication. This may actually be a fatal flaw for my ward, and prevent us from adopting it. When it permits the ability to add other members, we may find this more agreeable
    At present, you can not modify circles
    Notifications are kind of wonky. 
    It is not available for Amazon devices yet
    Only youth organizations are served so far. I expect, in time, EQ, RS, and ward adults will receive circles.
    The calendar is not tied to the ward calendar. This cannot be used in place of the ward calendar (The ward calendar supports building scheduling, the app calendar does not). 
     
    Even though I've listed more negatives than positives, I do think that for most units, rapid and pervasive adoption of this app will be a good thing. It's potential to simplify communication is enormous. Download it today!
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Jane_Doe in Gospel Living App has its US release   
    The app has been released in other areas of the world, but just had its largest release yet in the US.
    My review
    Positives
    It is, by far, the most useful app released by the Church solely for its communication potential. A simple app that most devices can download, works on WiFi only, and automatically links almost everyone in a sensible manner makes for effective communication without having to manage email lists and phone numbers separately.
    This could, with a few improvements, replace any communication through third party avenues.
    Also, parents have full visibility of any circles to which their children or youth are added. All circles are administered by multiple adults. This design makes it easy to communicate with youth in a manner consistent with youth protection guidelines.
     
     
    Negatives
    The app defines 'parents' as the adults living in the household. That family we have where the parents have joint and equal custody, but only one parent has the church records--one parent is invisible to this app and is cut off from communication. This may actually be a fatal flaw for my ward, and prevent us from adopting it. When it permits the ability to add other members, we may find this more agreeable
    At present, you can not modify circles
    Notifications are kind of wonky. 
    It is not available for Amazon devices yet
    Only youth organizations are served so far. I expect, in time, EQ, RS, and ward adults will receive circles.
    The calendar is not tied to the ward calendar. This cannot be used in place of the ward calendar (The ward calendar supports building scheduling, the app calendar does not). 
     
    Even though I've listed more negatives than positives, I do think that for most units, rapid and pervasive adoption of this app will be a good thing. It's potential to simplify communication is enormous. Download it today!
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Gospel Living App has its US release   
    The app has been released in other areas of the world, but just had its largest release yet in the US.
    My review
    Positives
    It is, by far, the most useful app released by the Church solely for its communication potential. A simple app that most devices can download, works on WiFi only, and automatically links almost everyone in a sensible manner makes for effective communication without having to manage email lists and phone numbers separately.
    This could, with a few improvements, replace any communication through third party avenues.
    Also, parents have full visibility of any circles to which their children or youth are added. All circles are administered by multiple adults. This design makes it easy to communicate with youth in a manner consistent with youth protection guidelines.
     
     
    Negatives
    The app defines 'parents' as the adults living in the household. That family we have where the parents have joint and equal custody, but only one parent has the church records--one parent is invisible to this app and is cut off from communication. This may actually be a fatal flaw for my ward, and prevent us from adopting it. When it permits the ability to add other members, we may find this more agreeable
    At present, you can not modify circles
    Notifications are kind of wonky. 
    It is not available for Amazon devices yet
    Only youth organizations are served so far. I expect, in time, EQ, RS, and ward adults will receive circles.
    The calendar is not tied to the ward calendar. This cannot be used in place of the ward calendar (The ward calendar supports building scheduling, the app calendar does not). 
     
    Even though I've listed more negatives than positives, I do think that for most units, rapid and pervasive adoption of this app will be a good thing. It's potential to simplify communication is enormous. Download it today!
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from NeuroTypical in The COVID thread   
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html
    Wash your hands often, don't shake people's hands, and keep your hands away from your face.
    This isn't one I'm particularly concerned about. It's unpleasant to get, but it seems like treatments are successful more often than they are not. 
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    I'm not disputing any of this. I only contested the characterization of her as "evil."
    To do so is only a different shade of calling a thief "evil" because he chooses to steal a loaf of bread rather than submit to starvation. Desperation drives people to extreme actions.
    If anything, what I'm trying to convey is that justice and compassion are not mutually exclusive.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from MrShorty in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    I'm not disputing any of this. I only contested the characterization of her as "evil."
    To do so is only a different shade of calling a thief "evil" because he chooses to steal a loaf of bread rather than submit to starvation. Desperation drives people to extreme actions.
    If anything, what I'm trying to convey is that justice and compassion are not mutually exclusive.
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Anddenex in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    It isn't clear to me that not reporting in this instance would have made the bishop liable. Some jurisdictions require reporting a potential or suspected abuser when evidence indicates abuse, but do not necessarily require reporting when the abuser confesses. From the sound of it, Oregon is one such state.
    This is the crux of the lawsuit, that the man came forward to confess to the bishop and therefore the bishop(ric) shouldn't have reported him without first advising him that they would not honor the priest-penitent privilege.
    It's a thornier ethical question than it seems on the surface. The exemption from reporting requirements is intended to encourage people to seek help that might help them reform. If the man had known he would be reported, would he still have come forward of his own volition? Would he still have pursued repentance? (A similar debate is had about pregnant women admitting drug use to health care providers. The industry wants to be exempt from reporting to encourage users to admit their use and receive treatment. Others want admitted users to be reported.)
    Had the abuse been reported by any person other than himself, this wouldn't be an issue, because at that point, priest-penitent privilege wouldn't apply.
    I haven't seen the original arrest report, but the reporting I've read isn't clear that it was his daughter. It was a minor "known to him," so perhaps a babysitter, or something of the sort.
    I don't know that the woman is evil. Quite possibly she is desperate. Her family has likely been stigmatized, it's definitely been torn apart. And I imagine she feels their trust has been violated by those she felt were supposed to help them heal their wounds. If she has struggled the past two years to cope with all of the changes and to keep her family afloat financially, I can understand why she would choose to file this lawsuit.
    (That isn't to say I agree, but I can sympathize with her)
     
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    MarginOfError got a reaction from Vort in Oregon Woman sues Church for reporting abuse   
    I'm not disputing any of this. I only contested the characterization of her as "evil."
    To do so is only a different shade of calling a thief "evil" because he chooses to steal a loaf of bread rather than submit to starvation. Desperation drives people to extreme actions.
    If anything, what I'm trying to convey is that justice and compassion are not mutually exclusive.